David wrote:

Most of them are Vietnam vets that Reagan put out on the street.


Actually, a huge percentage of them are people who used to be (or should be) in mental health facilities.

The problem is in the name of compassion, laws were passed to give people who really aren't capable of making rational decisions the right to sign themselves out and live on the street.

There are exceptions - especially if there are clear signs the person is a danger to themselves or the community, but apparently living on the street is looked at as a lifestyle choice.



On Fri, 07 May 2004 14:55:20 GMT, m II
wrote:

Diverd4777 wrote:
It's probably that or back to the shelter.



SHELTER?
Hey, this is a Republican Administration;
Shelters been closed, Dude...

& Apparantly the average life span of a homeless person is..
22 Months..


I wonder how many homeless are the result of moving jobs to Asia?



mike

Mark S. Holden wrote:

David wrote:

Most of them are Vietnam vets that Reagan put out on the street.



Actually, a huge percentage of them are people who used to be (or should be) in mental health facilities.

The problem is in the name of compassion, laws were passed to give people who really aren't capable of making rational decisions the right to sign themselves out and live on the street.

There are exceptions - especially if there are clear signs the person is a danger to themselves or the community, but apparently living on the street is looked at as a lifestyle choice.


There seems to be a problem here with the way the police treat
schizophrenics on the street. A lot of education is in order.
Many of those homeless are ill and wind up getting jailed or shot.

http://members.fortunecity.com/bruta...ada/names.html
================================================== =====

This study claims that between 30 to 35 percent of homeless are mentally
ill.

http://www.schizophrenia.ca/call2act.pdf
================================================== =====




mike

m II wrote:

Mark S. Holden wrote:

David wrote:

Most of them are Vietnam vets that Reagan put out on the street.



Actually, a huge percentage of them are people who used to be (or should be) in mental health facilities.

The problem is in the name of compassion, laws were passed to give people who really aren't capable of making rational decisions the right to sign themselves out and live on the street.

There are exceptions - especially if there are clear signs the person is a danger to themselves or the community, but apparently living on the street is looked at as a lifestyle choice.


There seems to be a problem here with the way the police treat
schizophrenics on the street. A lot of education is in order.
Many of those homeless are ill and wind up getting jailed or shot.

http://members.fortunecity.com/bruta...ada/names.html
================================================== =====

This study claims that between 30 to 35 percent of homeless are mentally
ill.

http://www.schizophrenia.ca/call2act.pdf
================================================== =====

mike

I realize it's a delicate problem, but really, the people who changed the laws in the name of patients rights did them a disservice.

The stigma of mental illness is certainly a problem, and some of that can be handled with education, but if the mind is playing tricks on someone, they can become a danger to others, and the police may need to take action.

Quoth "Mark S. Holden" in :


I realize it's a delicate problem, but really, the people who changed
the laws in the name of patients rights did them a disservice.

A lot of those who changed the laws ostensibly in the name of patient's
rights were really doing it to cut the cost to state governments of providing
services to the mentally ill.

It's cheaper to let them die on the streets.

--
"I am afeard there are few die well that die in a battle; for how can they
charitably dispose of anything when blood is their argument? Now, if these
men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the King that led them
to it; who to disobey were against all proportion of subjection." - W.S.

Tom Betz wrote:
Quoth "Mark S. Holden" in :


I realize it's a delicate problem, but really, the people who changed
the laws in the name of patients rights did them a disservice.


A lot of those who changed the laws ostensibly in the name of patient's
rights were really doing it to cut the cost to state governments of providing
services to the mentally ill.

It's cheaper to let them die on the streets.


You may be right. I've heard of stories where the ambulance staff will
check the wallet/purse of the collapsed person to make sure they have
money/coverage before picking them up. It's disgusting.




mike

"Tom Betz" wrote in message
. 70...
Quoth "Mark S. Holden" in
:


I realize it's a delicate problem, but really, the people who
changed
the laws in the name of patients rights did them a disservice.

A lot of those who changed the laws ostensibly in the name of
patient's
rights were really doing it to cut the cost to state governments of
providing
services to the mentally ill.

It's cheaper to let them die on the streets.


Aside from the overly cynical last sentence, I don't have any reason
to believe that this isn't correct in part. But the bottom line is
that the significant initiative that put these people on the streets
came from so-called "advocates" for the individuals themselves--true
believers who considered it more "just" that they be freed from
institutional confines. Yet another burden from the bad ideas of the
well-intentioned.

"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message ...
m II wrote:

Mark S. Holden wrote:

David wrote:

Most of them are Vietnam vets that Reagan put out on the street.



Actually, a huge percentage of them are people who used to be (or should be) in mental health facilities.

The problem is in the name of compassion, laws were passed to give people who really aren't capable of making rational decisions the right to sign themselves out and live on the street.

There are exceptions - especially if there are clear signs the person is a danger to themselves or the community, but apparently living on the street is looked at as a lifestyle choice.


There seems to be a problem here with the way the police treat
schizophrenics on the street. A lot of education is in order.
Many of those homeless are ill and wind up getting jailed or shot.

http://members.fortunecity.com/bruta...ada/names.html
================================================== =====

This study claims that between 30 to 35 percent of homeless are mentally
ill.

http://www.schizophrenia.ca/call2act.pdf
================================================== =====

mike

I realize it's a delicate problem, but really, the people who
changed the laws in the name of patients rights did them a disservice.

The stigma of mental illness is certainly a problem, and some of
that can be handled with education, but if the mind is playing
tricks on someone, they can become a danger to others, and the
police may need to take action.

MSH,

In the 1970's the Courts {Activist Judges} determined that once
a Patient has Received Treatment and has their Medical Problem
'under control'. That the Patient was in-fact "Medically Well"
{Healthy} and 'had to be released' and Return to Society (the Streets).
What the Courts could not Mandate {Require} was that the Patient
'keep taking' their Medications once the Patient was in Society
(on the Streets) again. The Cycle repeats itself and usually
spirals down over time and someone dies.

~ RHF

..

Prove it.

On 8 May 2004 00:43:10 -0700, (RHF) wrote:

"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message ...
m II wrote:

Mark S. Holden wrote:

David wrote:

Most of them are Vietnam vets that Reagan put out on the street.



Actually, a huge percentage of them are people who used to be (or should be) in mental health facilities.

The problem is in the name of compassion, laws were passed to give people who really aren't capable of making rational decisions the right to sign themselves out and live on the street.

There are exceptions - especially if there are clear signs the person is a danger to themselves or the community, but apparently living on the street is looked at as a lifestyle choice.


There seems to be a problem here with the way the police treat
schizophrenics on the street. A lot of education is in order.
Many of those homeless are ill and wind up getting jailed or shot.

http://members.fortunecity.com/bruta...ada/names.html
================================================== =====

This study claims that between 30 to 35 percent of homeless are mentally
ill.

http://www.schizophrenia.ca/call2act.pdf
================================================== =====

mike

I realize it's a delicate problem, but really, the people who
changed the laws in the name of patients rights did them a disservice.

The stigma of mental illness is certainly a problem, and some of
that can be handled with education, but if the mind is playing
tricks on someone, they can become a danger to others, and the
police may need to take action.

MSH,

In the 1970's the Courts {Activist Judges} determined that once
a Patient has Received Treatment and has their Medical Problem
'under control'. That the Patient was in-fact "Medically Well"
{Healthy} and 'had to be released' and Return to Society (the Streets).
What the Courts could not Mandate {Require} was that the Patient
'keep taking' their Medications once the Patient was in Society
(on the Streets) again. The Cycle repeats itself and usually
spirals down over time and someone dies.

~ RHF

.

= = = David wrote in message
= = = . ..

Prove it.


DR,

I have nothing to prove - But You may have Somethng to Learn.

The Proof is a matter of Public Record.

Do Your Own Research {Look It Up For Yourself}

~ RHF
..
..

On 8 May 2004 00:43:10 -0700, (RHF) wrote:

"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message ...
m II wrote:

Mark S. Holden wrote:

David wrote:

Most of them are Vietnam vets that Reagan put out on the street.



Actually, a huge percentage of them are people who used to be (or should be) in mental health facilities.

The problem is in the name of compassion, laws were passed to give people who really aren't capable of making rational decisions the right to sign themselves out and live on the street.

There are exceptions - especially if there are clear signs the person is a danger to themselves or the community, but apparently living on the street is looked at as a lifestyle choice.


There seems to be a problem here with the way the police treat
schizophrenics on the street. A lot of education is in order.
Many of those homeless are ill and wind up getting jailed or shot.

http://members.fortunecity.com/bruta...ada/names.html
================================================== =====

This study claims that between 30 to 35 percent of homeless are mentally
ill.

http://www.schizophrenia.ca/call2act.pdf
================================================== =====

mike

I realize it's a delicate problem, but really, the people who
changed the laws in the name of patients rights did them a disservice.

The stigma of mental illness is certainly a problem, and some of
that can be handled with education, but if the mind is playing
tricks on someone, they can become a danger to others, and the
police may need to take action.

MSH,

In the 1970's the Courts {Activist Judges} determined that once
a Patient has Received Treatment and has their Medical Problem
'under control'. That the Patient was in-fact "Medically Well"
{Healthy} and 'had to be released' and Return to Society (the Streets).
What the Courts could not Mandate {Require} was that the Patient
'keep taking' their Medications once the Patient was in Society
(on the Streets) again. The Cycle repeats itself and usually
spirals down over time and someone dies.

~ RHF

.

That's what I thought.

On 8 May 2004 10:25:51 -0700, (RHF) wrote:

= = = David wrote in message
= = = . ..

Prove it.


DR,

I have nothing to prove - But You may have Somethng to Learn.

The Proof is a matter of Public Record.

Do Your Own Research {Look It Up For Yourself}

~ RHF
.
.

On 8 May 2004 00:43:10 -0700, (RHF) wrote:

"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message ...
m II wrote:

Mark S. Holden wrote:

David wrote:

Most of them are Vietnam vets that Reagan put out on the street.



Actually, a huge percentage of them are people who used to be (or should be) in mental health facilities.

The problem is in the name of compassion, laws were passed to give people who really aren't capable of making rational decisions the right to sign themselves out and live on the street.

There are exceptions - especially if there are clear signs the person is a danger to themselves or the community, but apparently living on the street is looked at as a lifestyle choice.


There seems to be a problem here with the way the police treat
schizophrenics on the street. A lot of education is in order.
Many of those homeless are ill and wind up getting jailed or shot.

http://members.fortunecity.com/bruta...ada/names.html
================================================== =====

This study claims that between 30 to 35 percent of homeless are mentally
ill.

http://www.schizophrenia.ca/call2act.pdf
================================================== =====

mike

I realize it's a delicate problem, but really, the people who
changed the laws in the name of patients rights did them a disservice.

The stigma of mental illness is certainly a problem, and some of
that can be handled with education, but if the mind is playing
tricks on someone, they can become a danger to others, and the
police may need to take action.

MSH,

In the 1970's the Courts {Activist Judges} determined that once
a Patient has Received Treatment and has their Medical Problem
'under control'. That the Patient was in-fact "Medically Well"
{Healthy} and 'had to be released' and Return to Society (the Streets).
What the Courts could not Mandate {Require} was that the Patient
'keep taking' their Medications once the Patient was in Society
(on the Streets) again. The Cycle repeats itself and usually
spirals down over time and someone dies.

~ RHF

.