Lloyd Davies - The Time Lord ) writes:
The MURS frequencies do not require a liscence.

No, they don't. If you are a Ham, most HT's will work on the MURS freqs.

And then you're breaking the law.

Ham equipment is not type approved (or whatever it's called nowadays)
so it is not legal for use in anything but ham use. Move it out of
band, and it's illegal.

The fact that MURS does not require a license is irrelevant. You still
must follow the rules, and the rules require type approved equipment.

Michael

Michael Black wrote:
Lloyd Davies - The Time Lord ) writes:

The MURS frequencies do not require a liscence.

No, they don't. If you are a Ham, most HT's will work on the MURS freqs.


And then you're breaking the law.

Ham equipment is not type approved (or whatever it's called nowadays)
so it is not legal for use in anything but ham use. Move it out of
band, and it's illegal.

The fact that MURS does not require a license is irrelevant. You still
must follow the rules, and the rules require type approved equipment.

Michael

Let me guess, you all are not satisfied with the current selection of
MURS equipment out there. Well you have to remember that MURS is still
in its infancy and more stuff should surface as MURS matures. FRS was
the same way when it came to being, very little selection of equipment
when the service was introduced but look at all we have now.

Ham equipment is not type approved (or whatever it's called nowadays)
so it is not legal for use in anything but ham use. Move it out of
band, and it's illegal.

That is only done so the big folks can make money!


Lloyd Davies - Time Lord and Talk show host
"On the Domestic Front"
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/domesticfront/

Lloyd Davies - The Time Lord wrote:
Ham equipment is not type approved (or whatever it's called nowadays)
so it is not legal for use in anything but ham use. Move it out of
band, and it's illegal.


That is only done so the big folks can make money!


Lloyd Davies - Time Lord and Talk show host
"On the Domestic Front"
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/domesticfront/

What big folks might we be talking about? The fed maybe?

Ham equipment is not type approved (or whatever it's called nowadays)
so it is not legal for use in anything but ham use. Move it out of
band, and it's illegal.


I have always heard that it's legal *in the U.S.) to operate a radio out of
it's band as long as the radio isn't breaking any of the rules.

In other words, that it would be legal to operate a ham radio on MURS
ffrequencies except that there's a few little things in the way making it
illegal, such as

liscence-free MURS frequencies are limited to 2 watts of power. Ham
transmitters usually use much more power than that. It is illegal to operate a
50 watt or 100 watt ham transmitter on MURS frequencies.

A cb modified to transmit in the 10 meter ham band is legal as long as you're a
liscened ham and as long as the cb meets all emission requirements for the 10
meter ham band after you modify it. that is, as long as it meets all legal
standards.

At least, that's the way I've always learned (heard) it from various places.

Mediaguy500 wrote:
Ham equipment is not type approved (or whatever it's called nowadays)
so it is not legal for use in anything but ham use. Move it out of
band, and it's illegal.

A cb modified to transmit in the 10 meter ham band is legal as long as you're a
liscened ham and as long as the cb meets all emission requirements for the 10
meter ham band after you modify it. that is, as long as it meets all legal
standards.

A ham can modify anything or build anything for use in the ham bands, so
long as it meets all technical regs.

It is illegal to modify ham equipment to use in another service -- or,
more accuately, it is illegal to use it in another service (likley
merely modifying it is not illegal).

Phil

Mediaguy500 ) writes:
Ham equipment is not type approved (or whatever it's called nowadays)
so it is not legal for use in anything but ham use. Move it out of
band, and it's illegal.


I have always heard that it's legal *in the U.S.) to operate a radio out of
it's band as long as the radio isn't breaking any of the rules.

You've heard wrong.

This has nothing to do with amateur radio.

If you want to use a radio service, you need to use equipment that fits
the requirements for that band. With one (or maybe a few) exception,
that means the equipment must be type approved. So you want to use CB,
you need equipment that is type approved. MURS, GMRS, marine band, "Public
Service band" and the list goes on, and you need equipment that is type
approved.

Amateur radio is the unique exception. Because it has always been seen
to some extent as a technical hobby/service, if type approved equipment was
required that would kill any technical experimentation.

Take ham equipment and move it somewhere else, and it's illegal because
it's not type approved. The fact that it's has higher power than the
band might allow is only secondary, because it never received type approval
in the first place.

Of course you can move any other equipment to a ham band, because there
there's no need for type approval.

Note that type approval is related to the actual radio service. One does
not have a CB set type approved for every radio service, it's type approved
for CB. So even if amateur radio equipment needed to be type approved,
moving it elsewhere would not mean it was legal elsewhere, because it
hadn't been type approved for that new service.

This is precisely why I brought it up. People don't know the rules, and
either truly believe the rules are the way they want them to be, or they
just decide the rules don't apply to them.

Michael