"Stephen M.H. Lawrence" wrote in message
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"Richard L." wrote:
| If you're getting weather-related drop-outs, it means your dish
| installation is inadequate -- not big enough, not pointing in the
| right direction, or suffering from water penetration.
|
| --
| Richard L.

Wrongo, Limey-boy!

Study the physics of microwave propagation,
paying particular attention to moisture attenuation,
then get back with the group when you're up to speed.

More excuses from digital shills: It seems like they've got
an answer for everything!


Our AFN-TV satellite dish looks pretty much at the horizon to see the bird
they use here. Under normal circumstances, we get a good solid signal with
a level of about 89 and a quality of 9 or 10. When it rains hard, that can
drop to 60 and 3 or 4.. and sometimes it goes out completely. It's funny
sometimes that there can be no rain here locally, but raining hard in the
distance between the dish and the bird, and we'll lose the signal
completely. I think the only thing with water penetration is Richard L.

"Brenda Ann Dyer" wrote
| Our AFN-TV satellite dish looks pretty much at the horizon to see the bird
| they use here. Under normal circumstances, we get a good solid signal
with
| a level of about 89 and a quality of 9 or 10. When it rains hard, that
can
| drop to 60 and 3 or 4.. and sometimes it goes out completely. It's funny
| sometimes that there can be no rain here locally, but raining hard in the
| distance between the dish and the bird, and we'll lose the signal
| completely. I think the only thing with water penetration is Richard L.

I was surprised that someone with Richard L's level of technical
sophistication
would overlook that obvious factor, but given his obsession with my
physique,
I guess I can't blame the guy.

(EG)

I think the main problem with digitalphiles is the fact that they seem to
be motivated to sell something, rather than to solve any problems or
find a novel approach to improve sound quality.

Again, nothing against Rush Limbaugh - the older I get, the more I
find myself agreeing with the guy - but he can be heard in every single
market I find myself driving through. The problem of sound quality has
been overstated, especially when we take into consideration the craze
for consolidation and market monopolies, and the lack of anything really
interesting in the way of programming.

Rush used to be great fun, as radio programs go, but he's degenerated
into a political cheerleader. Again, I agree with much of what the guy
has to say, but he's gotten boring and stale. I can't wait for someone
talented to jump in and fill the gap. (And for what it's worth, I'd group
Hannity, O'Reilly, and a few others with Rush - fairly white toast, mostly
boring, argumentative, sectarian cheerleading).

The problem isn't sound quality, because sound quality can be had in
spades. A well - engineered AM plant is a joy to listen to. But if the
only thing being squeezed out is hypercompressed satellite audio, passed
through mulitple compression / decompression levels in an audio chain,
and served up courtesy of Messrs. Orban and Optimod, I think that
the question is begged: If sound quality is so important, why aren't any
AM stations making good on that premise?

Nope, once again, it isn't sound quality or coverage area. The problem
is programming.

73,

Steve Lawrence
KAØPMD
Burnsville, Minnesota

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Stephen M.H. Lawrence wrote:
"Richard L." wrote:
If you're getting weather-related drop-outs, it means your dish
installation is inadequate -- not big enough, not pointing in the
right direction, or suffering from water penetration.

--
Richard L.

Wrongo, Limey-boy!

Study the physics of microwave propagation,
paying particular attention to moisture attenuation,
then get back with the group when you're up to speed.

More excuses from digital shills: It seems like they've got
an answer for everything!


Nope, I cannot think of an answer to how the American people could ever
vote George W Bush to be their president.

I see he's fallen off his mountain bike over the weekend. I'd have
thought that with all his many advisors round him someone would've
thought to remind him to put his stabilizers on while learning to ride
his bike?


--
Steve - www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - Digital Radio News & Info

DAB sounds worse than FM, Freeview, digital satellite, cable and
broadband internet radio

Stephen M.H. Lawrence wrote:
"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote:
Now, you don't you go run along and play look for your penis beneath
the roles of fat, lardboy?

Your obsession for my wedding tackle and waistline are duly noted,
but sadly (for you), I am a heterosexual. Perhaps you could start
a new newsgroup, something along the line of:

alt.queer.argumentative.pome


No, I'm heterosexual. It's just that the image of you rolling up your
fat to find your penis amuses me.

There's a simple principle that you should learn your side of the pond.
It's called the principle of conservation of energy; energy is neither
created nor destroyed, just converted from one form to another. So each
additional jumbo hot dog you consume must be burned off somehow, or it
just makes it more difficult to find your penis. Simple really.


--
Steve - www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - Digital Radio News & Info

DAB sounds worse than FM, Freeview, digital satellite, cable and
broadband internet radio

In message k.net
"Stephen M.H. Lawrence" wrote:


"Richard L." wrote:
| If you're getting weather-related drop-outs, it means your dish
| installation is inadequate -- not big enough, not pointing in the
| right direction, or suffering from water penetration.

Wrongo, Limey-boy!

Study the physics of microwave propagation,
paying particular attention to moisture attenuation,
then get back with the group when you're up to speed.

Thank you, I'm well aware that moisture in the atmosphere
attenuates microwave signals; nonetheless, with a properly sized
and installed dish, loss of signals should be a very rare
occurrence. It's only happened to me twice in quite a number of
years of digital listening, and then only during exceptional
rainstorms, and only for a few minutes.

More excuses from digital shills: It seems like they've got
an answer for everything!

If I knew what a shill was, I might be able to comment on that.
But on the occasions I mention, it seems a safe bet that analogue
signals would have been pretty unusable too.

BTW, I don't see that there was any cause to be offensive about
this.

73,
--
Richard L.

In message k.net
"Stephen M.H. Lawrence" wrote:

"Brenda Ann Dyer" wrote
| Our AFN-TV satellite dish looks pretty much at the horizon to see the bird
| they use here. Under normal circumstances, we get a good solid signal
with
| a level of about 89 and a quality of 9 or 10. When it rains hard, that
can
| drop to 60 and 3 or 4.. and sometimes it goes out completely. It's funny
| sometimes that there can be no rain here locally, but raining hard in the
| distance between the dish and the bird, and we'll lose the signal
| completely. I think the only thing with water penetration is Richard L.

I was surprised that someone with Richard L's level of technical
sophistication
would overlook that obvious factor, but given his obsession with my
physique,
I guess I can't blame the guy.

I think I recall the comment you mention, but it was by another
poster to the group -- not me. Perhaps you would care to check
back and verify that.

--
Richard L.

"Richard L." wrote in message
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In message k.net
"Stephen M.H. Lawrence" wrote:

"Brenda Ann Dyer" wrote
| Our AFN-TV satellite dish looks pretty much at the horizon to see the
bird
| they use here. Under normal circumstances, we get a good solid signal
with
| a level of about 89 and a quality of 9 or 10. When it rains hard,
that
can
| drop to 60 and 3 or 4.. and sometimes it goes out completely. It's
funny
| sometimes that there can be no rain here locally, but raining hard in
the
| distance between the dish and the bird, and we'll lose the signal
| completely. I think the only thing with water penetration is Richard
L.

I was surprised that someone with Richard L's level of technical
sophistication
would overlook that obvious factor, but given his obsession with my
physique,
I guess I can't blame the guy.

I think I recall the comment you mention, but it was by another
poster to the group -- not me. Perhaps you would care to check
back and verify that.



Richard,

Not sure which comment you are referring to. I was responding to what
Stephen had written, which was in turn in response to this:

"Richard L." wrote:
| If you're getting weather-related drop-outs, it means your dish
| installation is inadequate -- not big enough, not pointing in the
| right direction, or suffering from water penetration.
|
| --
| Richard L.
As to my comment at the end of my post, it was meant as humour.. perhaps
not the best, but humour nonetheless.

In message
"Brenda Ann Dyer" wrote:

Our AFN-TV satellite dish looks pretty much at the horizon to see the bird
they use here. Under normal circumstances, we get a good solid signal with
a level of about 89 and a quality of 9 or 10. When it rains hard, that can
drop to 60 and 3 or 4.. and sometimes it goes out completely. It's funny
sometimes that there can be no rain here locally, but raining hard in the
distance between the dish and the bird, and we'll lose the signal
completely.

If the satellite is right down on the horizon, that comes more
into the category of DX than normal broadcast reception, which is
what most satellite users are interested in. If somebody parks a
pantechnicon or erects a tower crane, or a tree comes into leaf
anywhere in the next ten miles in your line of sight, then you'll
probably lose your signal for that reason too. Nevertheless, you
could undoubtedly improve your chances with the rain if you had a
larger dish.

--
Richard L.

"Richard L." wrote in message
...
In message
"Brenda Ann Dyer" wrote:

Our AFN-TV satellite dish looks pretty much at the horizon to see the
bird
they use here. Under normal circumstances, we get a good solid signal
with
a level of about 89 and a quality of 9 or 10. When it rains hard, that
can
drop to 60 and 3 or 4.. and sometimes it goes out completely. It's funny
sometimes that there can be no rain here locally, but raining hard in
the
distance between the dish and the bird, and we'll lose the signal
completely.

If the satellite is right down on the horizon, that comes more
into the category of DX than normal broadcast reception, which is
what most satellite users are interested in. If somebody parks a
pantechnicon or erects a tower crane, or a tree comes into leaf
anywhere in the next ten miles in your line of sight, then you'll
probably lose your signal for that reason too. Nevertheless, you
could undoubtedly improve your chances with the rain if you had a
larger dish.


Of that I have no doubt.. I was one of the first to install C band dishes,
and where I was in Oregon, a 5 meter dish was really needed for good signal
level (at the time 120 degree LNA's were the norm, and no downconverting,
the 4 GHz signal came right from the dish to the receiver). Some of the
customers didn't want to spend the money on the 5 meter dish, and opted for
a 4 meter one.. then tended to complain about sparklies in the picture..

Here, of course, we are limited. We can use the dish provided by the
satellite service provider (in this case, AFN/AAFES), and that's it.
Satellite TV has only recently been allowed at all in Korea, and AFN
satellite service has only been brought in in the past year or so. The
Korean satellite provider, SkyLife (seemingly a divison of Hong Kong based
Star System) is higher in the sky, and therefor easier to receive with the
same size dish (Ku band, ~0.5 meter)

In message
"Brenda Ann Dyer" wrote:


"Richard L." wrote in message
...
In message k.net
"Stephen M.H. Lawrence" wrote:

"Brenda Ann Dyer" wrote
| Our AFN-TV satellite dish looks pretty much at the horizon to see the
bird
| they use here. Under normal circumstances, we get a good solid signal
with
| a level of about 89 and a quality of 9 or 10. When it rains hard,
that
can
| drop to 60 and 3 or 4.. and sometimes it goes out completely. It's
funny
| sometimes that there can be no rain here locally, but raining hard in
the
| distance between the dish and the bird, and we'll lose the signal
| completely. I think the only thing with water penetration is Richard
L.

I was surprised that someone with Richard L's level of technical
sophistication
would overlook that obvious factor, but given his obsession with my
physique,
I guess I can't blame the guy.

I think I recall the comment you mention, but it was by another
poster to the group -- not me. Perhaps you would care to check
back and verify that.


Not sure which comment you are referring to. I was responding to what
Stephen had written, which was in turn in response to this:

Apologies for confusion -- looks as if I didn't trim the quoting
quite enough. My comment was addressed to Stephen M. H. Lawrence,
who has attributed to me a remark which was actually by somebody
else (who has since gone uncharacteristically quiet), and was of
a type that I would certainly never make on Usenet.

--
Richard L.