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Paul Bauer May 25th 04 05:18 PM

James,
Any chance that you will be reissuing pr1, pr2, and pr3?

Paul

"James Boyk" wrote in message
...
Frank Dresser wrote: There really aren't that many SWLs in the US.

How can there be a market for portables & tabletops by Drake, Grundig,

Sangean,
et al.---enough of a market for mass-marketer Radio Shack to sell such
products--yet no market for SW car radios? This makes no sense.

As for the idea that the market *must* not exist because manufacturers

would
have tapped it if it did, this shows an attitude toward manufactuers'
intelligence and the efficiency of the marketplace which amounts to "all's

for
the best in this best of all possible [commercial] worlds," which I cannot

share.

As for the idea, "if you think there's a market, why don't you derail your

life
to exploit it?" I'm afraid I do have one or two other things to do that

are more
important to me. I see a dozen untapped commercial opportunities each

month;
it's not my business to pursue them, but to do my own work.

Thanks for the suggestions and ideas.

James Boyk




James Boyk May 25th 04 05:32 PM

Paul Bauer wrote:
Any chance that you will be reissuing pr1, pr2, and pr3?


Kind of you to ask. I'm afraid this won't happen; but the material of pr3, along
with all of the material of pr4, is available on pr8cd. I also have a new album
coming out, "Tonalities of Emotion," with four well-known works in an order
which highlights their feelings. For that concert, I played the Boesendorfer
"Imperial" concert-grand, and I feel it contributes to the wide range of tone
color heard on the recording. The album will be in hybrid SACD/CD form, which as
you no doubt know plays like normal CD on normal CD player, and gives higher
resolution on SACD players. See http://www.performancerecordings.com/albums.html .

James Boyk


James Boyk May 25th 04 05:39 PM

Paul Bauer wrote:
Any chance that you will be reissuing pr1, pr2, and pr3?


I have only a few copies of each in my personal archives. At least one dealer
offers some of them "factory sealed." I confess to wonderment that anyone would
have unopened copies more than 20 years after initial release. I do wish that
person had opened it and LISTENED instead.

James Boyk


Paul Bauer May 25th 04 05:43 PM

Thank You for the reply, James.
I have always thought that your recordings were the best sounding that I
have heard.
I absolutely love pr6, it is my reference, when listening to new equipment.

Regards,
Paul


"James Boyk" wrote in message
...
Paul Bauer wrote:
Any chance that you will be reissuing pr1, pr2, and pr3?


Kind of you to ask. I'm afraid this won't happen; but the material of pr3,

along
with all of the material of pr4, is available on pr8cd. I also have a new

album
coming out, "Tonalities of Emotion," with four well-known works in an

order
which highlights their feelings. For that concert, I played the

Boesendorfer
"Imperial" concert-grand, and I feel it contributes to the wide range of

tone
color heard on the recording. The album will be in hybrid SACD/CD form,

which as
you no doubt know plays like normal CD on normal CD player, and gives

higher
resolution on SACD players. See

http://www.performancerecordings.com/albums.html .

James Boyk




Frank Dresser May 25th 04 06:16 PM


"James Boyk" wrote in message
...
Frank Dresser wrote: There really aren't that many SWLs in the US.

How can there be a market for portables & tabletops by Drake, Grundig,

Sangean,
et al.---enough of a market for mass-marketer Radio Shack to sell such
products--yet no market for SW car radios? This makes no sense.


Radio Shack cleared out their line of Sangean clones about a year ago. It's
been reported that RS is selling the Grundigs now, but I've been to three RS
stores over the last year, and I've seen none. The last radio I've seen
which had SW capability at Radio Shack was one of those big, goofy analog
multiband "portables" on a discount shelf.

The other mass marketers, such as Best Buy, Circuit City and Sears offer
few, if any, radios with SW capability. There's no sign of any mass market
for SW radios.

How many standard radios are sold for every SW radio? 1000 to 1? 10,000 to
1? Probably even more.


As for the idea that the market *must* not exist because manufacturers

would
have tapped it if it did, this shows an attitude toward manufactuers'
intelligence and the efficiency of the marketplace which amounts to "all's

for
the best in this best of all possible [commercial] worlds," which I cannot

share.


Well, Sears used to sell SW radios. In fact, they sold their own version of
the Yaesu FRG-7. Sears was in the market, and took it seriously. They're
out of it now. Radio Shack used to sell even more SW radios. Try to find
the radios now. I'm not sure if the people running Sears or Radio Shack are
particularly intellegent or not, but I'm sure they are capable of reordering
items which sell quickly and dumping items which are dead on the shelf.

The market for SW radios is no longer part of the mass market. It's a
specialty item now, at least in the US. It's mostly a mail
order/internet/ham radio store market. Sometimes low end SW radios are
found at outlets such as Big Lots.

If there really is a mass market for SW radios, the internet vendors will
become incredibly wealthy and the ham radio stores will be mobbed by eager
buyers. Don't let yourself get trampled near the entrance door at opening
time.


As for the idea, "if you think there's a market, why don't you derail your

life
to exploit it?" I'm afraid I do have one or two other things to do that

are more
important to me. I see a dozen untapped commercial opportunities each

month;
it's not my business to pursue them, but to do my own work.



That wasn't my comment, but the point is valid. My comment concerned the
market for auto cupholders and undercar neon lights, which has vastly
overshadowed the market for auto SW radios. It's easy to buy most any damn
fool thing for your car except, for whatever reason, shortwave radios.

If the market for auto SW radios is that obvious, I'm sure somebody will
pick up the slack. Maybe by this time next year.


Thanks for the suggestions and ideas.

James Boyk


You're welcome!

Frank Dresser



dxAce May 25th 04 06:34 PM



James Boyk wrote:

Frank Dresser wrote: There really aren't that many SWLs in the US.

How can there be a market for portables & tabletops by Drake, Grundig, Sangean,
et al.---enough of a market for mass-marketer Radio Shack to sell such
products--yet no market for SW car radios? This makes no sense.


You just keep repeating that! The fact is that there probably is no market, otherwise
the manufacturers would have stepped into fill the void.

It makes 'sense' to those few of us left that have any.

As for the idea that the market *must* not exist because manufacturers would
have tapped it if it did, this shows an attitude toward manufactuers'
intelligence and the efficiency of the marketplace which amounts to "all's for
the best in this best of all possible [commercial] worlds," which I cannot share.


Get a grip on reality!


As for the idea, "if you think there's a market, why don't you derail your life
to exploit it?" I'm afraid I do have one or two other things to do that are more
important to me. I see a dozen untapped commercial opportunities each month;
it's not my business to pursue them, but to do my own work.

Thanks for the suggestions and ideas.


No problem!

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm



Al Patrick May 25th 04 08:55 PM

http://69.0.240.84/product/product.asp?prod_id=2586

Ken Finney wrote:
I'm in the market for a couple of car radios, and I must that peculiar
tastes,
because I can't find anything I like from a human factors perspective. It
would be REALLY nice if it received SW also. Given the number of
companies making small SW radios, I wish one of them would repackage
a good one into a auto-friendly package. I may try doing that to one of my
old Radio Shack radios.



Ken Finney May 25th 04 10:12 PM

"Al Patrick" wrote in message
...
http://69.0.240.84/product/product.asp?prod_id=2586

Ken Finney wrote:
I'm in the market for a couple of car radios, and I must that peculiar
tastes,
because I can't find anything I like from a human factors perspective.

It
would be REALLY nice if it received SW also. Given the number of
companies making small SW radios, I wish one of them would repackage
a good one into a auto-friendly package. I may try doing that to one of

my
old Radio Shack radios.



I'm aware of the Sony, but I don't like its looks.



RHF May 25th 04 10:57 PM

N8KDV,

"The bottom line is though that SW has never really 'taken off'
in the USA, other than for radio hobbyists, and casual listeners."

This is basically due to three Factors: Geography, Politics and Society.

* While the USofA and Europe may be view as having roughly the
'same' Geographic Size and Populations.
The USofA is One Country and Language. {Unified}
IMAGINE: Each US State having it's own State Radio Station:
The Voice of George; Radio Free Vermont; Colorado State Radio; ETC.
Vice- Europe is made up of many Countries and many Languages. {Fragmented}
NOTE: Many European Nations are about the Size of 'States' in the USofA.

* The Politics of Radio Broadcasting is Different in the USofA
and in Europe.
In the USofA Radio Broadcasting is 'controlled' by one National
Government through "Commercial Licensing" (A Government
Controlled Private Enterprise with a large number of 'independent'
and "Network" Radio Stations.)
Vice - In Europe Radio Broadcasting is 'controlled' by many
independent National Governments through Government Controlled
Radio Stations and Government Networks with a limited number
of radio stations.
NOTE: In Europe Longwave, Medium Wave and Shortwave are all
used to get the Government's Message Out within the Country
and throughout Europe.

* The Societies (Populations and Languages)
The Radio Broadcasting Model in the USofA is based on One Language
and Multiple Radio Broadcaster that are Independent of Government
Control. American's basically speak one Language: English.
(The Commercial Radio Stations presented "Diverse Messages" and
the American People could pick and choose.)
Vice - The Radio Broadcasting Model in Europe is based on Many
Languages that are Spoken in Europe. The Government 'controlled'
Radio Station Monopoly presents the Government's Message.
Europeans had to listen to Radio Stations from other Countries
to get some "Diversity" and Information that was Independent of
Government Control. Longwave and Shortwave allowed Europeans
to get this information. Plus since the distances were shorter
(within the European Continent) and in 'uniform' "Single" Evening
Time Period; Shortwave was like listening to an in country
broadcast. (Strong Signals and No Fading.)

TBL: Geography, Politics and Society came together in Europe to
make Shortwave Radio Broadcasting a 'popular' {useful} media.
Vice - In the USofA those same elements worked "Against" Shortwave
Radio Broadcasting becoming a 'popular' {useful} media.

Something-to-Think-about: Had Ford, GM, Chrysler, American Motors,
and many other old Automobile Companies. Each been allowed to
Set-Up a Shortwave Station to Broadcast Nation Wide then there
would have been a Shortwave Radio in every Car and Truck in
the USofA. Just look at Today's Marketing of XM Radio and
Sirius Satellite Broadcasting Systems by the Auto Companies.

wmcis ~ RHF
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= = = dxAce wrote in message
= = = ...
James Boyk wrote:

Thanks. I'll look for one of these.

I don't "get" another poster's comment about SW not taking off in the USA.
There's a huge potential market of SWL's here; why shouldn't makers of SW radios
try to sell them?


If there were a market, the manufacturers would have tapped it.

If you think there is a market why don't you draw up a business plan, borrow some
money, and have the car radios manufactured?

They do so for 'stationary' radios; why not for cars? The
remark that US broadcasters "can't target" listeners here is unintelligible to
me, as many of them do target listeners here as well as abroad.


Listeners here are targeted in a certain sense, however, the Smith-Mundt Act
prohibits it, as I recall.

The bottom line is though that SW has never really 'taken off'
in the USA, other than for radio hobbyists, and casual listeners.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

..

James Boyk May 26th 04 03:11 AM

How nice to hear! -jb

*

Paul Bauer wrote:

Thank You for the reply, James.
I have always thought that your recordings were the best sounding that I
have heard.
I absolutely love pr6, it is my reference, when listening to new equipment.

Regards,
Paul




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