Shortwave in US car
 

Sorry to ask what must be a perennial question, but is a car radio now available
for US market which will get me here on the west coast the big international
stations (Netherlands, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, BBC)? Along with FM and
10k-spaced AM? And preferably with selectable sideband and synchronous
detection, like on my Sony 2010 at home? (Having lived with these features, I
don't see why anyone would make a receiver without them.) And, ideally, with CD
player also?

But I'd take just the SW part of all this, if it could be wired into the car
system. ('94 Mercury Villager)

Thanks,

Jim Boyk
http://www.performancerecordings.com

Becker receivers have been standard radios installed in Mercedes Benz
over the years. Becker was selling them lately for around $500. Very
high grade of a car radio.

Thanks; but Becker's web site doesn't show any unit w/ SW---or did I miss it? -jb


Arthur Pozner wrote:

Becker receivers have been standard radios installed in Mercedes Benz
over the years. Becker was selling them lately for around $500. Very
high grade of a car radio.

beckers us site has discontinued sw radios.
the german site has them and also can be found on the net by searching for
model numbers.

paul


"James Boyk" wrote in message
...
Thanks; but Becker's web site doesn't show any unit w/ SW---or did I miss
it? -jb


Arthur Pozner wrote:

Becker receivers have been standard radios installed in Mercedes Benz
over the years. Becker was selling them lately for around $500. Very
high grade of a car radio.

On Sun, 23 May 2004 12:42 pm -0600 UTC, James Boyk
posted: %MM

Thanks; but Becker's web site doesn't show any unit w/ SW---or did I miss
it? -jb


Arthur Pozner wrote:

Becker receivers have been standard radios installed in Mercedes Benz
over the years. Becker was selling them lately for around $500. Very
high grade of a car radio.

Several Sony radios for autos exist.

Reference to them is found on this page, the links from the page however are
dead. http://www.worldofradio.com/rxtips.txt
You have to search for the radio names to find them in the page.

Have a look at http://www.rnw.nl/realradio/html/xr-c5100.html as well
--
-UA

James Boyk wrote in message ...
Thanks; but Becker's web site doesn't show any unit w/ SW---or did I miss it? -jb
No, you didn't miss anything.
I searched and surfed on the net for a very long time. No becker's
radio with shortwave! Only car radio you can buy with a whortwave
covering almost all band length is a sony xr ca620 or 640. But these
radios doesn't have LW band. their MW step is 9 kHz. No sync detection
or selectable side band at all. So, interference is a real problem
with them (I have a sony xr ca 620). Forget hard dxing but, I can
listen to the major broadcasters like BBC, Netherlands, VOR, VOIRI,
China and VOA comfortably.
If you have any other questions, please do not hesitate to ask, I use
that radio in my car.


Arthur Pozner wrote:

Becker receivers have been standard radios installed in Mercedes Benz
over the years. Becker was selling them lately for around $500. Very
high grade of a car radio.

Would you just use the cars existing antenna? Just curious.


Brian

Jim:

I looked for quite awhile, but finally bought a Ham transceiver and installed it in
my truck. It covers all of the shortwave bands, and as a bonus, can also transmit
on the Ham bands. The one I got was a Yaesu FT857, but there are comparable radios
made by Icom and others. These "mini sized" full output radios could probably fit
in the dash location of a lot of cars, but I mounted mine under the passenger seat,
with the remote head on a bracket just behind the gearshift lever. Makes it easy to
tune while driving down the road, without stretching or bending.... I've tuned from
below broadcast band through 50mhz. Each band and mode has settable spacing, but I
don't know if it has Synchronous Detection on AM.... It still does a great job
cruising down the road. I typically listen to New Zealand radio on the way to work,
and Ham bands on the way home.

Just another option to consider if you want decent receiver sensitivity and wide
input frequency range.

--Rick

James Boyk wrote:

Sorry to ask what must be a perennial question, but is a car radio now available
for US market which will get me here on the west coast the big international
stations (Netherlands, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, BBC)? Along with FM and
10k-spaced AM? And preferably with selectable sideband and synchronous
detection, like on my Sony 2010 at home? (Having lived with these features, I
don't see why anyone would make a receiver without them.) And, ideally, with CD
player also?

But I'd take just the SW part of all this, if it could be wired into the car
system. ('94 Mercury Villager)

Thanks,

Jim Boyk
http://www.performancerecordings.com

Becker is more consumer junk from Harman International.

On Sun, 23 May 2004 12:23:14 -0400, (Arthur
Pozner) wrote:

Becker receivers have been standard radios installed in Mercedes Benz
over the years. Becker was selling them lately for around $500. Very
high grade of a car radio.

You can get all the major International broadcasters crystal clear on
any Sirius satellite radio via WRN. Way under $200. No static at
all.

On Sun, 23 May 2004 08:49:21 -0700, James Boyk
wrote:

Sorry to ask what must be a perennial question, but is a car radio now available
for US market which will get me here on the west coast the big international
stations (Netherlands, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, BBC)? Along with FM and
10k-spaced AM? And preferably with selectable sideband and synchronous
detection, like on my Sony 2010 at home? (Having lived with these features, I
don't see why anyone would make a receiver without them.) And, ideally, with CD
player also?

But I'd take just the SW part of all this, if it could be wired into the car
system. ('94 Mercury Villager)

Thanks,

Jim Boyk
http://www.performancerecordings.com

Thanks for responses.

Re antenna: Ideally, I'd install an amplified antenna at the rear of the
vehicle--as far from ignition noise as possible.

It's striking that SW is not made available to the US market. Makes one wonder a
bit...

James Boyk


**
James Boyk wrote:

Sorry to ask what must be a perennial question, but is a car radio now
available for US market which will get me here on the west coast the big
international stations (Netherlands, Australia, New Zealand, Japan,
BBC)? Along with FM and 10k-spaced AM? And preferably with selectable
sideband and synchronous detection, like on my Sony 2010 at home?
(Having lived with these features, I don't see why anyone would make a
receiver without them.) And, ideally, with CD player also?

But I'd take just the SW part of all this, if it could be wired into the
car system. ('94 Mercury Villager)

Thanks,

Jim Boyk
http://www.performancerecordings.com

After doing a little more research i have found that the new becker radios
only include the 49 meter band.

sony has several units available in asia (not sure about what freqencies
they include)
they are
xr-ca440x
xr-ca640x
xr-ca660x
xr-ca800
which are cassette based and one unit with cd,
the cdx-m8800

check them out here
http://www.sonyindia.co.in/static/CarAudio.htm

paul

"Paul Bauer" wrote in message
newsgroups.com...
beckers us site has discontinued sw radios.
the german site has them and also can be found on the net by searching for
model numbers.

paul


"James Boyk" wrote in message
...
Thanks; but Becker's web site doesn't show any unit w/ SW---or did I
miss
it? -jb


Arthur Pozner wrote:

Becker receivers have been standard radios installed in Mercedes Benz
over the years. Becker was selling them lately for around $500. Very
high grade of a car radio.

James,

Becker produced a SW auto radio but I believe that they have discontinued
it. Regardless you may be able to find a used one - there was one on ebay
not to long ago. The model is the Mexico 2340. I have one, I use the stock
car aerial and I'm very happy with it. Its easy to operate, has ten SW
presets, very good audio, good scan function and even has reasonable
sensitivity on Longwave ! It has no sideband capability though.
An amateur transceiver is also a good way to go however be aware that the
audio on these rigs is often underpowered and restricted. I have an Icom
706 MKIIG which of course covers all of the SW spectrum with sideband and
then some but the audio on this model is "constipated"- there is a
noticeable rolloff of the low and high ends of the audio spectrum.

Good Luck with your search and let us know what you buy and how you like it.

(I've included the 2340 specs here. Shortwave coverage is divided up into
bands for the scan function but the radio actually has continuous coverage
from 5900 to 15700 khz)

John

================================================== =========
Mexico 2340

a.. Tuner: AM, FM, LW, SW (6 Band), 70 station presets (30x FM, 10x FM
Autostore, 10x AM, 10x LW, 10x SW).
b.. Tuning bands:
a.. AM: 531 kHz - 1602 kHz
b.. FM: 87.5 MHz - 108.0 MHz
c.. LW: 153 kHz - 282 kHz
d.. SW:
a.. 49m band 5900 kHz - 6250 kHz
b.. 41m band 7100 kHz - 7550 kHz
c.. 31m band 9300 kHz - 10000 kHz
d.. 25m band 11500 kHz - 12100 kHz
e.. 22m band 13600 kHz - 13800 kHz
f.. 19m band 15000 kHz - 15700 kHz
c.. Cassette: Full-logic drive, programme / scan search, autoreverse,
Dolby® B + C.
d.. Audio: 4 x 20W maximum output, 4 x 15 W RMS (4 Ohms), separate treble
/ bass and fader control, dual pre-outputs (750 mV @ 22 kOhms) for
amplifier, user specific programming option.
e.. Other: ETC Easy to Control softkey menu operation, LCD multicolour
display (fadeable red to orange to green), removable fascia display panel
with case, security code, DIN-ISO connection (supplied with loom), remote
control.
f.. ================================================== ==============


"James Boyk" wrote in message
...
Sorry to ask what must be a perennial question, but is a car radio now
available
for US market

James Boyk wrote:

Thanks for responses.

Re antenna: Ideally, I'd install an amplified antenna at the rear of the
vehicle--as far from ignition noise as possible.

It's striking that SW is not made available to the US market. Makes one wonder a
bit...

I have a feeling that it did not really take off here is because the US broadcasters
really can't target listeners here in the USA, so there isn't/wasn't any commercial
interest in the medium.

That may be it, it may not.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

Thanks. I'll look for one of these.

I don't "get" another poster's comment about SW not taking off in the USA.
There's a huge potential market of SWL's here; why shouldn't makers of SW radios
try to sell them? They do so for 'stationary' radios; why not for cars? The
remark that US broadcasters "can't target" listeners here is unintelligible to
me, as many of them do target listeners here as well as abroad. But even if
there were no US broadcasters, there are tons overseas aiming interesting
programs here!

James Boyk

"James Boyk" wrote in message
...
Thanks. I'll look for one of these.

I don't "get" another poster's comment about SW not taking off in the USA.
There's a huge potential market of SWL's here; why shouldn't makers of SW
radios
try to sell them?


There really aren't that many SWLs in the US.


They do so for 'stationary' radios; why not for cars?

I've read magazine articles about cars with the SW car radio General Motors
offered before WW2. It's an extremely rare option. Extremely rare because
only a few people wanted to buy it. I'm not aware of any OEM SW car radios
after the war.

There are a few radios intended for Europe or Asia, but these areas have SW
broadcasts intended for a local audience.

I think car SW radios can still be bought from off shore vendors such as
Jacky's. If there were much of a market here, I'm sure it would have gotten
the attention of Sony or Becker. Not to mention Delco and Motorola.

There were some commerically made amateur radio converters for car radios
made in the fifties and sixties. It would have been easy enough for a
company in that business to have made a SW broadcast band converter back
then. If they did make any, they weren't big sellers.


The
remark that US broadcasters "can't target" listeners here is
unintelligible to
me, as many of them do target listeners here as well as abroad. But even
if
there were no US broadcasters, there are tons overseas aiming interesting
programs here!

James Boyk



Yeah, but there's more people interested in buying multiple cup holders and
under car neon lights than there are people who want to buy car SW radios.

Frank Dresser

"John" wrote in message
An amateur transceiver is also a good way to go however be aware that the
audio on these rigs is often underpowered and restricted. I have an Icom
706 MKIIG which of course covers all of the SW spectrum with sideband and
then some but the audio on this model is "constipated"- there is a
noticeable rolloff of the low and high ends of the audio spectrum.

Have you tried an external speaker? Can make a huge difference in
audio on those radios. Also, an external audio amp helps even more.
The audio from the icom itself should be pretty good. I know mine is.
Here in the house, I run mine through the sound card, and then to a
kenwood audio amp and speakers. Sounds real good. It's my best radio
for listening to the "rack" crowd, running the high end audio gear.
I've got spectrum analyser software I use, and the audio is quite flat
across the passband. I gets lots of bass, and pretty good highs
considering the filter width. BTW, make sure the "FIL" is off , if you
are listening to AM. That setting is very tight, and the audio will be
very pinchy. But it is good for ID'ing weak stations buried in
sideband crud...In the car, I just use external speakers. I have one
in the dash, where the factory radio speaker goes, and also use a
drake speaker sitting on the floor, if I want some more lows.
Eventually, I plan to pick up a small stereo EQ/AMP, "maybe 40w or
so??" and use that as an audio amp for the car. Being a ham, naturally
ham rigs are all I use in the car, and in the house for the most part.
The 706mk2g is better for AM than many ham rigs, as the stock
bandwidth on AM is wider, than many, and sounds better. Many ham rigs
use the same 2.4+2.4 kc SSB filtering as the AM filter. "4.8kc total"
That is kinda pinchy sounding after a while. The 706 is a good bit
wider than that on AM, unless the "FIL" is on, or you have a custom
filter.But for SSB is still the usual rated 2.4 kc...In real life on
the analyser, the bandwidth is quite usable out to about 2.7 kc, and
it drops off pretty fast. Almost the same as my TS-830.. As far as
antenna, I use my all band ham mobile antenna, and tune for the
nearest band closest to what I'm listening to. IE: if I were to
listen to 31m, I can tune my antenna to 30m ham band, and have very
good performance. But even tuned for 40 or 20 will work fine. The s/n
ratio is the same, the signal level would just be down some...My ant
tunes 80,40,30,20,17,15,12,10 meter bands...I do have to get out to
switch bands, but it doesn't take very long. But like I say, for SWL,
it's not critical at all...Performance SWL'ing mobile? Nearly as good
as at the house...I have good transmit performance too on the ham
bands...BTW, compared to some portables, or car radios, the 706g still
may seem a bit tight...But thats cuz the portables, and car radios are
usually as broad as a barn door in comparison...:/ Naturally, they may
sound a little brighter with music playing. But I'd still usually
prefer the 706g in the car...Much more useful overall, being it also
covers VHF/UHF, etc...The 706g is my radio of choice here, when I
listen to AM-BC. To me, the width is just about like I like it. Not
too narrow, but not too wide either...That dinky 3-4 inch speaker in
the top is the weak link...:( MK

Hi. Yes I have tried external speakers and running the audio from the ACC
socket into an amp. Helps very little. Please checkout the ic-706 yahoo
group. Other users have noted the same problem and provided spectral
analysis of the audio. While the 706MKIIG IF is pretty wide , Icom changed
the audio for the worse between the 706 and the 706MKIIG.
The Becker Mexico AM audio is much better than a 706MKIIG.


"Mark Keith" wrote in message
om...
"John" wrote in message

Have you tried an external speaker? Can make a huge difference in
audio on those radios. Also, an external audio amp helps even more.
The audio from the icom itself should be pretty good.

James Boyk wrote:

Thanks. I'll look for one of these.

I don't "get" another poster's comment about SW not taking off in the USA.
There's a huge potential market of SWL's here; why shouldn't makers of SW radios
try to sell them?

If there were a market, the manufacturers would have tapped it.

If you think there is a market why don't you draw up a business plan, borrow some
money, and have the car radios manufactured?

They do so for 'stationary' radios; why not for cars? The
remark that US broadcasters "can't target" listeners here is unintelligible to
me, as many of them do target listeners here as well as abroad.

Listeners here are targeted in a certain sense, however, the Smith-Mundt Act
prohibits it, as I recall.

The bottom line is though that SW has never really 'taken off' in the USA, other
than for radio hobbyists, and casual listeners.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

Frank Dresser wrote: There really aren't that many SWLs in the US.

How can there be a market for portables & tabletops by Drake, Grundig, Sangean,
et al.---enough of a market for mass-marketer Radio Shack to sell such
products--yet no market for SW car radios? This makes no sense.

As for the idea that the market *must* not exist because manufacturers would
have tapped it if it did, this shows an attitude toward manufactuers'
intelligence and the efficiency of the marketplace which amounts to "all's for
the best in this best of all possible [commercial] worlds," which I cannot share.

As for the idea, "if you think there's a market, why don't you derail your life
to exploit it?" I'm afraid I do have one or two other things to do that are more
important to me. I see a dozen untapped commercial opportunities each month;
it's not my business to pursue them, but to do my own work.

Thanks for the suggestions and ideas.

James Boyk

James,
Any chance that you will be reissuing pr1, pr2, and pr3?

Paul

"James Boyk" wrote in message
...
Frank Dresser wrote: There really aren't that many SWLs in the US.

How can there be a market for portables & tabletops by Drake, Grundig,
Sangean,
et al.---enough of a market for mass-marketer Radio Shack to sell such
products--yet no market for SW car radios? This makes no sense.

As for the idea that the market *must* not exist because manufacturers
would
have tapped it if it did, this shows an attitude toward manufactuers'
intelligence and the efficiency of the marketplace which amounts to "all's
for
the best in this best of all possible [commercial] worlds," which I cannot
share.

As for the idea, "if you think there's a market, why don't you derail your
life
to exploit it?" I'm afraid I do have one or two other things to do that
are more
important to me. I see a dozen untapped commercial opportunities each
month;
it's not my business to pursue them, but to do my own work.

Thanks for the suggestions and ideas.

James Boyk

Paul Bauer wrote:
Any chance that you will be reissuing pr1, pr2, and pr3?

Kind of you to ask. I'm afraid this won't happen; but the material of pr3, along
with all of the material of pr4, is available on pr8cd. I also have a new album
coming out, "Tonalities of Emotion," with four well-known works in an order
which highlights their feelings. For that concert, I played the Boesendorfer
"Imperial" concert-grand, and I feel it contributes to the wide range of tone
color heard on the recording. The album will be in hybrid SACD/CD form, which as
you no doubt know plays like normal CD on normal CD player, and gives higher
resolution on SACD players. See http://www.performancerecordings.com/albums.html .

James Boyk

Paul Bauer wrote:
Any chance that you will be reissuing pr1, pr2, and pr3?

I have only a few copies of each in my personal archives. At least one dealer
offers some of them "factory sealed." I confess to wonderment that anyone would
have unopened copies more than 20 years after initial release. I do wish that
person had opened it and LISTENED instead.

James Boyk

Thank You for the reply, James.
I have always thought that your recordings were the best sounding that I
have heard.
I absolutely love pr6, it is my reference, when listening to new equipment.

Regards,
Paul


"James Boyk" wrote in message
...
Paul Bauer wrote:
Any chance that you will be reissuing pr1, pr2, and pr3?

Kind of you to ask. I'm afraid this won't happen; but the material of pr3,
along
with all of the material of pr4, is available on pr8cd. I also have a new
album
coming out, "Tonalities of Emotion," with four well-known works in an
order
which highlights their feelings. For that concert, I played the
Boesendorfer
"Imperial" concert-grand, and I feel it contributes to the wide range of
tone
color heard on the recording. The album will be in hybrid SACD/CD form,
which as
you no doubt know plays like normal CD on normal CD player, and gives
higher
resolution on SACD players. See
http://www.performancerecordings.com/albums.html .

James Boyk

"James Boyk" wrote in message
...
Frank Dresser wrote: There really aren't that many SWLs in the US.

How can there be a market for portables & tabletops by Drake, Grundig,
Sangean,
et al.---enough of a market for mass-marketer Radio Shack to sell such
products--yet no market for SW car radios? This makes no sense.

Radio Shack cleared out their line of Sangean clones about a year ago. It's
been reported that RS is selling the Grundigs now, but I've been to three RS
stores over the last year, and I've seen none. The last radio I've seen
which had SW capability at Radio Shack was one of those big, goofy analog
multiband "portables" on a discount shelf.

The other mass marketers, such as Best Buy, Circuit City and Sears offer
few, if any, radios with SW capability. There's no sign of any mass market
for SW radios.

How many standard radios are sold for every SW radio? 1000 to 1? 10,000 to
1? Probably even more.


As for the idea that the market *must* not exist because manufacturers
would
have tapped it if it did, this shows an attitude toward manufactuers'
intelligence and the efficiency of the marketplace which amounts to "all's
for
the best in this best of all possible [commercial] worlds," which I cannot
share.


Well, Sears used to sell SW radios. In fact, they sold their own version of
the Yaesu FRG-7. Sears was in the market, and took it seriously. They're
out of it now. Radio Shack used to sell even more SW radios. Try to find
the radios now. I'm not sure if the people running Sears or Radio Shack are
particularly intellegent or not, but I'm sure they are capable of reordering
items which sell quickly and dumping items which are dead on the shelf.

The market for SW radios is no longer part of the mass market. It's a
specialty item now, at least in the US. It's mostly a mail
order/internet/ham radio store market. Sometimes low end SW radios are
found at outlets such as Big Lots.

If there really is a mass market for SW radios, the internet vendors will
become incredibly wealthy and the ham radio stores will be mobbed by eager
buyers. Don't let yourself get trampled near the entrance door at opening
time.


As for the idea, "if you think there's a market, why don't you derail your
life
to exploit it?" I'm afraid I do have one or two other things to do that
are more
important to me. I see a dozen untapped commercial opportunities each
month;
it's not my business to pursue them, but to do my own work.


That wasn't my comment, but the point is valid. My comment concerned the
market for auto cupholders and undercar neon lights, which has vastly
overshadowed the market for auto SW radios. It's easy to buy most any damn
fool thing for your car except, for whatever reason, shortwave radios.

If the market for auto SW radios is that obvious, I'm sure somebody will
pick up the slack. Maybe by this time next year.


Thanks for the suggestions and ideas.

James Boyk


You're welcome!

Frank Dresser

James Boyk wrote:

Frank Dresser wrote: There really aren't that many SWLs in the US.

How can there be a market for portables & tabletops by Drake, Grundig, Sangean,
et al.---enough of a market for mass-marketer Radio Shack to sell such
products--yet no market for SW car radios? This makes no sense.

You just keep repeating that! The fact is that there probably is no market, otherwise
the manufacturers would have stepped into fill the void.

It makes 'sense' to those few of us left that have any.

As for the idea that the market *must* not exist because manufacturers would
have tapped it if it did, this shows an attitude toward manufactuers'
intelligence and the efficiency of the marketplace which amounts to "all's for
the best in this best of all possible [commercial] worlds," which I cannot share.

Get a grip on reality!


As for the idea, "if you think there's a market, why don't you derail your life
to exploit it?" I'm afraid I do have one or two other things to do that are more
important to me. I see a dozen untapped commercial opportunities each month;
it's not my business to pursue them, but to do my own work.

Thanks for the suggestions and ideas.

No problem!

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

http://69.0.240.84/product/product.asp?prod_id=2586

Ken Finney wrote:
I'm in the market for a couple of car radios, and I must that peculiar
tastes,
because I can't find anything I like from a human factors perspective. It
would be REALLY nice if it received SW also. Given the number of
companies making small SW radios, I wish one of them would repackage
a good one into a auto-friendly package. I may try doing that to one of my
old Radio Shack radios.

"Al Patrick" wrote in message
...
http://69.0.240.84/product/product.asp?prod_id=2586

Ken Finney wrote:
I'm in the market for a couple of car radios, and I must that peculiar
tastes,
because I can't find anything I like from a human factors perspective.
It
would be REALLY nice if it received SW also. Given the number of
companies making small SW radios, I wish one of them would repackage
a good one into a auto-friendly package. I may try doing that to one of
my
old Radio Shack radios.


I'm aware of the Sony, but I don't like its looks.

N8KDV,

"The bottom line is though that SW has never really 'taken off'
in the USA, other than for radio hobbyists, and casual listeners."

This is basically due to three Factors: Geography, Politics and Society.

* While the USofA and Europe may be view as having roughly the
'same' Geographic Size and Populations.
The USofA is One Country and Language. {Unified}
IMAGINE: Each US State having it's own State Radio Station:
The Voice of George; Radio Free Vermont; Colorado State Radio; ETC.
Vice- Europe is made up of many Countries and many Languages. {Fragmented}
NOTE: Many European Nations are about the Size of 'States' in the USofA.

* The Politics of Radio Broadcasting is Different in the USofA
and in Europe.
In the USofA Radio Broadcasting is 'controlled' by one National
Government through "Commercial Licensing" (A Government
Controlled Private Enterprise with a large number of 'independent'
and "Network" Radio Stations.)
Vice - In Europe Radio Broadcasting is 'controlled' by many
independent National Governments through Government Controlled
Radio Stations and Government Networks with a limited number
of radio stations.
NOTE: In Europe Longwave, Medium Wave and Shortwave are all
used to get the Government's Message Out within the Country
and throughout Europe.

* The Societies (Populations and Languages)
The Radio Broadcasting Model in the USofA is based on One Language
and Multiple Radio Broadcaster that are Independent of Government
Control. American's basically speak one Language: English.
(The Commercial Radio Stations presented "Diverse Messages" and
the American People could pick and choose.)
Vice - The Radio Broadcasting Model in Europe is based on Many
Languages that are Spoken in Europe. The Government 'controlled'
Radio Station Monopoly presents the Government's Message.
Europeans had to listen to Radio Stations from other Countries
to get some "Diversity" and Information that was Independent of
Government Control. Longwave and Shortwave allowed Europeans
to get this information. Plus since the distances were shorter
(within the European Continent) and in 'uniform' "Single" Evening
Time Period; Shortwave was like listening to an in country
broadcast. (Strong Signals and No Fading.)

TBL: Geography, Politics and Society came together in Europe to
make Shortwave Radio Broadcasting a 'popular' {useful} media.
Vice - In the USofA those same elements worked "Against" Shortwave
Radio Broadcasting becoming a 'popular' {useful} media.

Something-to-Think-about: Had Ford, GM, Chrysler, American Motors,
and many other old Automobile Companies. Each been allowed to
Set-Up a Shortwave Station to Broadcast Nation Wide then there
would have been a Shortwave Radio in every Car and Truck in
the USofA. Just look at Today's Marketing of XM Radio and
Sirius Satellite Broadcasting Systems by the Auto Companies.

wmcis ~ RHF
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James Boyk wrote:

Thanks. I'll look for one of these.

I don't "get" another poster's comment about SW not taking off in the USA.
There's a huge potential market of SWL's here; why shouldn't makers of SW radios
try to sell them?

If there were a market, the manufacturers would have tapped it.

If you think there is a market why don't you draw up a business plan, borrow some
money, and have the car radios manufactured?

They do so for 'stationary' radios; why not for cars? The
remark that US broadcasters "can't target" listeners here is unintelligible to
me, as many of them do target listeners here as well as abroad.

Listeners here are targeted in a certain sense, however, the Smith-Mundt Act
prohibits it, as I recall.

The bottom line is though that SW has never really 'taken off'
in the USA, other than for radio hobbyists, and casual listeners.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

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How nice to hear! -jb

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Paul Bauer wrote:

Thank You for the reply, James.
I have always thought that your recordings were the best sounding that I
have heard.
I absolutely love pr6, it is my reference, when listening to new equipment.

Regards,
Paul

How does one see that it handles SW? I don't see any specs on the page you cite,
nor any link to click on.

James Boyk

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Al Patrick wrote:

http://69.0.240.84/product/product.asp?prod_id=2586

Ken Finney wrote:

I'm in the market for a couple of car radios, and I must that peculiar
tastes,
because I can't find anything I like from a human factors
perspective. It
would be REALLY nice if it received SW also. Given the number of
companies making small SW radios, I wish one of them would repackage
a good one into a auto-friendly package. I may try doing that to one
of my
old Radio Shack radios.

Go to http://69.0.240.84/

In "advance Search" type stereo

Select Sony brand

Leave the price range blank.

I have an older XR3750 that has served me VERY well for years.

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Go to Google. Type in Sony & XR & stereo & SW

You might be surprised what you find.

Al

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James Boyk wrote:

How does one see that it handles SW? I don't see any specs on the page
you cite, nor any link to click on.

James Boyk

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Al Patrick wrote:

http://69.0.240.84/product/product.asp?prod_id=2586

Ken Finney wrote:

I'm in the market for a couple of car radios, and I must that peculiar
tastes,
because I can't find anything I like from a human factors
perspective. It
would be REALLY nice if it received SW also. Given the number of
companies making small SW radios, I wish one of them would repackage
a good one into a auto-friendly package. I may try doing that to one
of my
old Radio Shack radios.

Al Patrick wrote:
Go to http://69.0.240.84/ , In "advance Search" type stereo, Select Sony brand, Leave the price range blank.

I'm missing the boat. Doing the above got me a list of units, some of which
included SW (judging only by their having SW presets; but when I clicked on
indiv. units, I got lists of features like "Stereo audio outputs" and "Radio
bands," all of which said "N/A," "Not Applicable," instead of giving the
relevant info.



Go to Google. Type in Sony & XR & stereo & SW
You might be surprised what you find.

This was definitely more worthwhile. One unit has a "Brass/Treble control";
presumably there's also a Brass/Bass control. I hope they have other sets of
controls for Strings, Winds and Percussion. Seriously, I must not have the cast
of mind to deal with these things. But thanks anyway.

James Boyk

On Wed, 26 May 2004 07:04:26 -0700, James Boyk
wrote:

Al Patrick wrote:
Go to http://69.0.240.84/ , In "advance Search" type stereo, Select Sony brand, Leave the price range blank.

I'm missing the boat. Doing the above got me a list of units, some of which
included SW (judging only by their having SW presets; but when I clicked on
indiv. units, I got lists of features like "Stereo audio outputs" and "Radio
bands," all of which said "N/A," "Not Applicable," instead of giving the
relevant info.


Yeah their catalog is not good right now but teh ones taht say SW have SW and
are all basically similar in their SW coverage.

Lots of us have bought shortwaves from them,

I'll go ahead on your recommendation---as soon as I hear back from Jacky's with
good answers to some questions. Their web site sure is "lazy," though.

And I *wish* I understood why Sony, as the only company with good-quality
inexpensive synchronous detection w/ selectable s/bm doesn't incorporate it into
these units. (I wish I understood why they discontinued the superb 2010, too, in
favor of these oddball models w/ weird interfaces and without the 32 memory
buttons.)

James Boyk


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Don Brady wrote:

Yeah their catalog is not good right now but teh ones taht say SW have SW and
are all basically similar in their SW coverage.

Lots of us have bought shortwaves from them,

On Sun, 30 May 2004 10:59:48 -0700, James Boyk
wrote:

I'll go ahead on your recommendation---as soon as I hear back from Jacky's with
good answers to some questions. Their web site sure is "lazy," though.

And I *wish* I understood why Sony, as the only company with good-quality
inexpensive synchronous detection w/ selectable s/bm doesn't incorporate it into
these units.

Perhaps they will do that one day.

(I wish I understood why they discontinued the superb 2010, too, in
favor of these oddball models w/ weird interfaces and without the 32 memory
buttons.)


The Sony shortwave in my car has worked flawless for years - even after I
submitted it to wrong voltages and such when installing it.

It's fine for listening to the BBC, Deutsche Welle, CBC, and actually much
weaker stations too. I love it.

James Boyk wrote:

And I *wish* I understood why Sony, as the only company with good-quality
inexpensive synchronous detection w/ selectable s/bm doesn't incorporate it into these units.

I was thinking the same thing the other night when I was listening to a
talk show from a distant AM station on the car radio. Every time the
signal faded the audio became too distorted to understand. I'm hoping
that Pete's (KE9OA) sync' detector will be available in some kind of
outboard unit which can be connected to the IF section in a car radio.


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"Brian" wrote in message thlink.net...
Would you just use the cars existing antenna? Just curious.


Brian

Hey Brian!
I don't kow much about the technicalities of shortwave,but I started
by strapping a TecsunPL 230 to my sunroof with a velcro strap and
having the antenna sticking out.
(That works)
I sold the car with the sunroof and was shortwaveless =-(
(WBCQ is GREAT on the weekends)
also during the week http://www.thepowerhour.com
is pretty good for natural cures and news Clearchannel won't give you.
Then theres Alex Jones http:www.infowars.com
for blood curdling news weekdays follwed by Jack Blood
http:www.jackblood.com
So I missed getting my shows in the car and
....a freind of mine who used to be a British Sportscar nut said most
English cars used to come
with AM/SW
(Jaguars especially)
I got to thinking
I had this wild idea of clipping a wire to the antenna
(by the spare tire you can just clip to the connection with an
alligator clip,you can probably even clip or insert a thin wire by the
radio end but I couldn't get my hand in there) and run a wire and clip
to your radios SW antenna,I hope to get an small plug to replace the
alligator clip soon because the Tecsun has an antenna input.
Anyway...
YES your regular car antenna will work!
I asked a guy at radio shack about what kind of antenna I would need
and he told me I had to buy a special one and was showing me all sorts
a diagrams and how many feet the wire had to be for certian stations
and dipoles and yadda bladah da,he made it sound impossible.
(It was stumping him cuz I'm sure nobody ever asked him before =-)
But it isn't.
I never listen to the experts LOL
And I'm no radio technician but am an experimenter when I wat to get
something accomplished.
Your car antenna works fine for the cost of a double ended aligator
clip thingie,and some wire.
I've also got a personal CD Player with a wireless
FM transmitter on the way and plan on plugging that(Transmitter) into
the SW's headphone jack.
Then the shortwave will be coming in over my big stereo.=-)
I used a cell phone holder bracket thingie swivel base and put velcro
I had laying around on the radio,and the swivel thing and it's even
mounted now for pennies. PS
If you ride a bike by the way you can clip a wire from the antenna of
a shortwave radio to any metal part of the bike and you get as good
reception as can be expected
(just saying)
Too bad BPL is on it's way here...till then you can get it in your
car without a lot of expensive stuff.

peace

On Mon, 24 May 2004 00:33:52 GMT, "Brian"
wrote:

Would you just use the cars existing antenna? Just curious.



I find that the existing antenna on my Toyota Corolla works fine with my
Jackys-bought Sony shortwave radio.

(I posted another note to this effect but it doesn't show up.)

Can anyone tell me the diff. between Sony's 620X and 640 models? The former is
offered by the Canadian outlet at $199.95; the latter, by Jacky's at
substantially less. On the other hand, Canada responds helpfully to email;
Jacky's does not; so I'd rather deal w/ Canada.


James Boyk