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Radio Finland may close down shortwave and mediumwave
Radio Finland, the external service of the Finnish Broadcasting Company
(YLE), may close down its service on the shortwave and mediumwave bands. This would leave external service programming available only via satellite and on the Internet. The aim would be to cut expenses. Currently distribution costs for Radio Finland total 3.4 million euros annually. YLE Administrative Council is expected to decide the fate of shortwave later this year. In 2002 (see DXing.info news in June and September 2002 as well as a history of the cuts in the DXing.info Community) Radio Finland closed down its services in English, German and French, while Finnish, Swedish and Russian programming continued on shortwave as well as for Northern Europe also on the mediumwave band. A source at YLE tells DXing.info that possible lobbying from the part of DXers would only reduce the chances of remaining on the air, because the only justification for shortwave is to serve expatriate Finns, who number about 250.000. A decision to cut shortwave would become easier if the station is viewed as serving primarily a fringe audience of radio hobbyists. (DXing.info, June 9, 2004) http://www.dxing.info/news/index.dx#finland |
That was an interesting post - it kind of leads me to think "what is the
future of shortwaving as a hobby?" A topic I am sure has been moved on this group before Richard, Warsaw "Mike Terry" wrote in message ... Radio Finland, the external service of the Finnish Broadcasting Company (YLE), may close down its service on the shortwave and mediumwave bands. This would leave external service programming available only via satellite and on the Internet. The aim would be to cut expenses. Currently distribution costs for Radio Finland total 3.4 million euros annually. YLE Administrative Council is expected to decide the fate of shortwave later this year. In 2002 (see DXing.info news in June and September 2002 as well as a history of the cuts in the DXing.info Community) Radio Finland closed down its services in English, German and French, while Finnish, Swedish and Russian programming continued on shortwave as well as for Northern Europe also on the mediumwave band. A source at YLE tells DXing.info that possible lobbying from the part of DXers would only reduce the chances of remaining on the air, because the only justification for shortwave is to serve expatriate Finns, who number about 250.000. A decision to cut shortwave would become easier if the station is viewed as serving primarily a fringe audience of radio hobbyists. (DXing.info, June 9, 2004) http://www.dxing.info/news/index.dx#finland |
Mike Terry wrote: Radio Finland, the external service of the Finnish Broadcasting Company (YLE), may close down its service on the shortwave and mediumwave bands. This would leave external service programming available only via satellite and on the Internet. The aim would be to cut expenses. Currently distribution costs for Radio Finland total 3.4 million euros annually. YLE Administrative Council is expected to decide the fate of shortwave later this year. In 2002 (see DXing.info news in June and September 2002 as well as a history of the cuts in the DXing.info Community) Radio Finland closed down its services in English, German and French, while Finnish, Swedish and Russian programming continued on shortwave as well as for Northern Europe also on the mediumwave band. A source at YLE tells DXing.info that possible lobbying from the part of DXers would only reduce the chances of remaining on the air, because the only justification for shortwave is to serve expatriate Finns, who number about 250.000. A decision to cut shortwave would become easier if the station is viewed as serving primarily a fringe audience of radio hobbyists. (DXing.info, June 9, 2004) Some other comments from DXLD: A point I have made over and over again for the past several decades, often to the irritation of DXers. But still people insist on write-in campaigns which only serve to convince the broadcasters that the people listening are not the ones they want to reach. I'm glad that this point has been made, especially by a broadcaster and Web site in a country where DXing remains a popular hobby (Andy Sennitt, June 10, dxldyg via DXLD) Ah, then, we hobbyists should all write to YLE urging them to close it down, so they will not close it down in order to spite us! Actually, the only language they use any more I can sort of understand is Latin (gh, WORLD OF RADIO 1233, DXLD) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Holland, MI Drake R7, R8 and R8B http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
The INTERNET is the future of communication. There are more internet users than there are SWL's No static, no reception probs, no antennas. Log on.... and connect ! AND ( an internet bonus ) You can respond with eMail. Do you think that this hobby news-group would be possible with SW ? All the broadcaster needs is an editor/writer, a computer, and a phone line. And no more multi-kilowatt electric bill. Face the reality folks On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:29:18 +0200, "Richard" wrote: That was an interesting post - it kind of leads me to think "what is the future of shortwaving as a hobby?" A topic I am sure has been moved on this group before Richard, Warsaw "Mike Terry" wrote in message ... Radio Finland, the external service of the Finnish Broadcasting Company (YLE), may close down its service on the shortwave and mediumwave bands. This would leave external service programming available only via satellite and on the Internet. The aim would be to cut expenses. Currently distribution costs for Radio Finland total 3.4 million euros annually. YLE Administrative Council is expected to decide the fate of shortwave later this year. In 2002 (see DXing.info news in June and September 2002 as well as a history of the cuts in the DXing.info Community) Radio Finland closed down its services in English, German and French, while Finnish, Swedish and Russian programming continued on shortwave as well as for Northern Europe also on the mediumwave band. A source at YLE tells DXing.info that possible lobbying from the part of DXers would only reduce the chances of remaining on the air, because the only justification for shortwave is to serve expatriate Finns, who number about 250.000. A decision to cut shortwave would become easier if the station is viewed as serving primarily a fringe audience of radio hobbyists. (DXing.info, June 9, 2004) http://www.dxing.info/news/index.dx#finland rj |
You argue your case well RJ and I suppose in the years to come the thrill of
dxing will be tuning into the low power local stations that remain on the many new clear channels. In a strange way its going back in time before the days of the superpower transmitters. "RJ" wrote in message ... The INTERNET is the future of communication. There are more internet users than there are SWL's No static, no reception probs, no antennas. Log on.... and connect ! AND ( an internet bonus ) You can respond with eMail. Do you think that this hobby news-group would be possible with SW ? All the broadcaster needs is an editor/writer, a computer, and a phone line. And no more multi-kilowatt electric bill. Face the reality folks On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:29:18 +0200, "Richard" wrote: That was an interesting post - it kind of leads me to think "what is the future of shortwaving as a hobby?" A topic I am sure has been moved on this group before Richard, Warsaw "Mike Terry" wrote in message ... Radio Finland, the external service of the Finnish Broadcasting Company (YLE), may close down its service on the shortwave and mediumwave bands. This would leave external service programming available only via satellite and on the Internet. The aim would be to cut expenses. Currently distribution costs for Radio Finland total 3.4 million euros annually. YLE Administrative Council is expected to decide the fate of shortwave later this year. In 2002 (see DXing.info news in June and September 2002 as well as a history of the cuts in the DXing.info Community) Radio Finland closed down its services in English, German and French, while Finnish, Swedish and Russian programming continued on shortwave as well as for Northern Europe also on the mediumwave band. A source at YLE tells DXing.info that possible lobbying from the part of DXers would only reduce the chances of remaining on the air, because the only justification for shortwave is to serve expatriate Finns, who number about 250.000. A decision to cut shortwave would become easier if the station is viewed as serving primarily a fringe audience of radio hobbyists. (DXing.info, June 9, 2004) http://www.dxing.info/news/index.dx#finland rj |
"" wrote: The INTERNET is the future of communication. There are more internet users than there are SWL's No static, no reception probs, no antennas. Log on.... and connect ! AND ( an internet bonus ) You can respond with eMail. Do you think that this hobby news-group would be possible with SW ? All the broadcaster needs is an editor/writer, a computer, and a phone line. And no more multi-kilowatt electric bill. Face the reality folks The reality is that ever since I've been exposed to this hobby, (around 1966 or so), there have been those who've been claiming that shortwave is dead. Steve Holland, MI Drake R7, R8 and R8B http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
All the broadcaster needs is an editor/writer, a computer, and a phone line.
And no more multi-kilowatt electric bill. So, what does bandwidth cost, so you can have more than one "listener?" Bill, K5BY |
Ah!, But you are presuming all have access to the Internet, and many staions - like VOA, BBC, etc are aimed at second and third world internet access is poor at best. This will be the great break on the Internet replacing short wave "RJ" wrote in message ... The INTERNET is the future of communication. There are more internet users than there are SWL's No static, no reception probs, no antennas. Log on.... and connect ! AND ( an internet bonus ) You can respond with eMail. Do you think that this hobby news-group would be possible with SW ? All the broadcaster needs is an editor/writer, a computer, and a phone line. And no more multi-kilowatt electric bill. Face the reality folks On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:29:18 +0200, "Richard" wrote: That was an interesting post - it kind of leads me to think "what is the future of shortwaving as a hobby?" A topic I am sure has been moved on this group before Richard, Warsaw "Mike Terry" wrote in message ... Radio Finland, the external service of the Finnish Broadcasting Company (YLE), may close down its service on the shortwave and mediumwave bands. This would leave external service programming available only via satellite and on the Internet. The aim would be to cut expenses. Currently distribution costs for Radio Finland total 3.4 million euros annually. YLE Administrative Council is expected to decide the fate of shortwave later this year. In 2002 (see DXing.info news in June and September 2002 as well as a history of the cuts in the DXing.info Community) Radio Finland closed down its services in English, German and French, while Finnish, Swedish and Russian programming continued on shortwave as well as for Northern Europe also on the mediumwave band. A source at YLE tells DXing.info that possible lobbying from the part of DXers would only reduce the chances of remaining on the air, because the only justification for shortwave is to serve expatriate Finns, who number about 250.000. A decision to cut shortwave would become easier if the station is viewed as serving primarily a fringe audience of radio hobbyists. (DXing.info, June 9, 2004) http://www.dxing.info/news/index.dx#finland rj |
"Richard" wrote in message ... Ah!, But you are presuming all have access to the Internet, and many staions - like VOA, BBC, etc are aimed at second and third world internet access is poor at best. This will be the great break on the Internet replacing short wave "RJ" wrote in message ... The INTERNET is the future of communication. There are more internet users than there are SWL's No static, no reception probs, no antennas. Log on.... and connect ! AND ( an internet bonus ) You can respond with eMail. Do you think that this hobby news-group would be possible with SW ? All the broadcaster needs is an editor/writer, a computer, and a phone line. And no more multi-kilowatt electric bill. Face the reality folks And where did RJ get this 'no reception problems' crap? For starters, I doubt that any radio service has the backbone facilities to cover even a small percentage of their SW audience over the internet. As well, the internet is not the best connection medium to start with. Heavy net traffic in a given area clogs up audio and video streams. I'm always having trouble with streamed media, even with a broadband (two, in fact) connection. And when that signal drops out, you have nothing until the congestion goes away... at least with good old analog SW, you can hear SOMETHING as the signal fades.. |
Was in the Netherland antilles a while back ;
Radio Netherlands has a HUGE antenna farm, on Bonaire, beaming Shortwave down to South America - where electricity is spotty, telephones not a sure bet computers a Luxury and the internet used mostly in large cities.. Once you leave the "Strip Mall Zone" in the civilized world, shortwave takes over.. Dan In article , "Richard" writes: Subject: SW has a future! From: "Richard" Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:16:58 +0200 Ah!, But you are presuming all have access to the Internet, and many staions - like VOA, BBC, etc are aimed at second and third world internet access is poor at best. This will be the great break on the Internet replacing short wave "RJ" wrote in message .. . The INTERNET is the future of communication. There are more internet users than there are SWL's No static, no reception probs, no antennas. Log on.... and connect ! AND ( an internet bonus ) You can respond with eMail. Do you think that this hobby news-group would be possible with SW ? All the broadcaster needs is an editor/writer, a computer, and a phone line. And no more multi-kilowatt electric bill. Face the reality folks On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:29:18 +0200, "Richard" wrote: That was an interesting post - it kind of leads me to think "what is the future of shortwaving as a hobby?" A topic I am sure has been moved on this group before Richard, Warsaw "Mike Terry" wrote in message ... Radio Finland, the external service of the Finnish Broadcasting Company (YLE), may close down its service on the shortwave and mediumwave bands. This would leave external service programming available only via satellite and on the Internet. The aim would be to cut expenses. Currently distribution costs for Radio Finland total 3.4 million euros annually. YLE Administrative Council is expected to decide the fate of shortwave later this year. In 2002 (see DXing.info news in June and September 2002 as well as a history of the cuts in the DXing.info Community) Radio Finland closed down its services in English, German and French, while Finnish, Swedish and Russian programming continued on shortwave as well as for Northern Europe also on the mediumwave band. A source at YLE tells DXing.info that possible lobbying from the part of DXers would only reduce the chances of remaining on the air, because the only justification for shortwave is to serve expatriate Finns, who number about 250.000. A decision to cut shortwave would become easier if the station is viewed as serving primarily a fringe audience of radio hobbyists. (DXing.info, June 9, 2004) http://www.dxing.info/news/index.dx#finland rj |
There's no way streaming audio on the Internet can replace shortwave. For
one thing, shortwave is broadcast. That's the reason it exists. Anybody can pick it up, free of charge, even with a very inexpensive radio. If a major catastrophe should happen, anywhere in the world, there's always shortwave radio to fall back on. Shortwave is always there. The internet is more of a narrow cast thing to an elite audience with the wherewithall to have a good computer and a fast, reliable internet connection from an ISP that doesn't charge if a certain amount of usage is exceeded. So you want to listen to radio out in the boondocks or out in the yard? You can do that easily with a broadcast receiver. How the heck do you do that using the internet without an elaborate wireless router system and a good laptop computer if at home, or at all if away from civilizaition? There's just too much technological overhead. Even if you do have access, anyone spending a few hours using the Internet knows how frustrating it can be. Digital wants your butt at home in front of a computer desk, no matter whether it's digital photography, the Internet, or whatever. It's the very antithesis of why shortwave exists in the first place. Pierre "Richard" wrote in message ... Ah!, But you are presuming all have access to the Internet, and many staions - like VOA, BBC, etc are aimed at second and third world internet access is poor at best. This will be the great break on the Internet replacing short wave |
Boy are you in your own little world. International shortwave
broadcasts from any country that is not sponsored by a religious group cost that country money. Usually used for propaganda by the nazis, communists, anarchist or some political nut case. These countries are in a budget cutting era and they are finding that with satellite and internet and cable that they can reach more people with fewer of their dollars expended. They really don't care about the poor African with the wind up radio. That's for their little country to deal with. Is shortwave dead. Yes, as we now know it. Programming and broadcast hours is getting smaller all the time. The world is trying to keep up with it self and get into the 21st century. Now tell me how Amateur Radio is the savior of military communications and in a national emercency the Hams will come through with jammed repeaters and morse code. Just another hobby that is dead or will be shortly. Money talks and the international broadcasters know that the money isn't with shortwave radio. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. "Pierre" wrote in message m... There's no way streaming audio on the Internet can replace shortwave. For one thing, shortwave is broadcast. That's the reason it exists. Anybody can pick it up, free of charge, even with a very inexpensive radio. If a major catastrophe should happen, anywhere in the world, there's always shortwave radio to fall back on. Shortwave is always there. The internet is more of a narrow cast thing to an elite audience with the wherewithall to have a good computer and a fast, reliable internet connection from an ISP that doesn't charge if a certain amount of usage is exceeded. So you want to listen to radio out in the boondocks or out in the yard? You can do that easily with a broadcast receiver. How the heck do you do that using the internet without an elaborate wireless router system and a good laptop computer if at home, or at all if away from civilizaition? There's just too much technological overhead. Even if you do have access, anyone spending a few hours using the Internet knows how frustrating it can be. Digital wants your butt at home in front of a computer desk, no matter whether it's digital photography, the Internet, or whatever. It's the very antithesis of why shortwave exists in the first place. Pierre "Richard" wrote in message ... Ah!, But you are presuming all have access to the Internet, and many staions - like VOA, BBC, etc are aimed at second and third world internet access is poor at best. This will be the great break on the Internet replacing short wave |
Just another chicken little announcing the sky is falling.
Pierre "no_spam_here" wrote in message om... Boy are you in your own little world. International shortwave broadcasts from any country that is not sponsored by a religious group cost that country money. Usually used for propaganda by the nazis, communists, anarchist or some political nut case. These countries are in a budget cutting era and they are finding that with satellite and internet and cable that they can reach more people with fewer of their dollars expended. They really don't care about the poor African with the wind up radio. That's for their little country to deal with. Is shortwave dead. Yes, as we now know it. Programming and broadcast hours is getting smaller all the time. The world is trying to keep up with it self and get into the 21st century. Now tell me how Amateur Radio is the savior of military communications and in a national emercency the Hams will come through with jammed repeaters and morse code. Just another hobby that is dead or will be shortly. Money talks and the international broadcasters know that the money isn't with shortwave radio. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. "Pierre" wrote in message m... There's no way streaming audio on the Internet can replace shortwave. For one thing, shortwave is broadcast. That's the reason it exists. Anybody can pick it up, free of charge, even with a very inexpensive radio. If a major catastrophe should happen, anywhere in the world, there's always shortwave radio to fall back on. Shortwave is always there. The internet is more of a narrow cast thing to an elite audience with the wherewithall to have a good computer and a fast, reliable internet connection from an ISP that doesn't charge if a certain amount of usage is exceeded. So you want to listen to radio out in the boondocks or out in the yard? You can do that easily with a broadcast receiver. How the heck do you do that using the internet without an elaborate wireless router system and a good laptop computer if at home, or at all if away from civilizaition? There's just too much technological overhead. Even if you do have access, anyone spending a few hours using the Internet knows how frustrating it can be. Digital wants your butt at home in front of a computer desk, no matter whether it's digital photography, the Internet, or whatever. It's the very antithesis of why shortwave exists in the first place. Pierre "Richard" wrote in message ... Ah!, But you are presuming all have access to the Internet, and many staions - like VOA, BBC, etc are aimed at second and third world internet access is poor at best. This will be the great break on the Internet replacing short wave |
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"RJ" wrote in message ... On 11 Jun 2004 22:44:54 GMT, (Diverd4777) wrote: Was in the Netherland antilles a while back ; Radio Netherlands has a HUGE antenna farm, on Bonaire, beaming Shortwave down to South America - where electricity is spotty, telephones not a sure bet computers a Luxury and the internet used mostly in large cities.. Once you leave the "Strip Mall Zone" in the civilized world, shortwave takes over.. Dan Does a country like Finland want to spend a million bucks a year to get its message to "Boondock South America" ?? again; They can power up a PC, Write their message in multiple languages. advantage; Besides being cheaper for the "broadcaster" It actually reaches the PC literate in a country, and chances are they're the people you want to reach. Back to SWLing; Perhaps my view is colored by SWLing in the US, where it's probably the hobby of a few, rather than the communication media for the many. I guess there are countrys where folks rely on SW for their news/info/entertainment...... But then, wouldn't they listen to their own country feeds ?? Short answer: Usually not. Most of the countries that count on SW for their news and such are also countries where the government (and therefor government owned radio) is much more likely than not to lie to them, and they want to hear from other sources. This is why SW broadcasting began in the first place. In most of those smaller countries, SW cannot serve the country itself, because of the skip zone. |
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On 11 Jun 2004 22:44:54 GMT, (Diverd4777) wrote: Was in the Netherland antilles a while back ; Radio Netherlands has a HUGE antenna farm, on Bonaire, beaming Shortwave down to South America - where electricity is spotty, telephones not a sure bet computers a Luxury and the internet used mostly in large cities.. Once you leave the "Strip Mall Zone" in the civilized world, shortwave takes over.. Dan Does a country like Finland want to spend a million bucks a year to get its message to "Boondock South America" ?? again; I think the reality of this particular situation is that the religious funded Trans World Radio folks are the owners of this installation (built 40 years ago, btw) and I'd bet Radio Netherlands gets their air time gratis in exchange as part of the deal. -BM |
no_spam_here wrote: Pierre The sky has fallen, you just haven't been hit yet. BBC and R Norway Duetchewelle and others are lighting the way for others. Just stay in your own little world. Ya know, Radio Shack isn't really a good barometer but even they dropped all of their Rat Shack branded SW items. A pretty good sign of the times and the demise of SW broadcasting as we know it. If there was money inSW radios, Rat Shack would have as much as they could get instead they bailed. So has the sky fallen. Cover your head. There is almost zero SW broadcast content any more. Be the last to figure it out. Even Radio Havana has cut broadcast hours in an attempt to fund something useful such as supplying the people toilet tissue. Shortwave international broadcast is taking it's last gasping breaths. Yep, I heard that 30+ years ago... Guess what? It hasn't happened yet. But tell ya what, why don't you just toss what ever radio you're using into the dust bin and hit the road. Steve Holland, MI Drake R7, R8 and R8B http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
"RJ" wrote in message ... Does a country like Finland want to spend a million bucks a year to get its message to "Boondock South America" ?? again; They can power up a PC, Write their message in multiple languages. advantage; Besides being cheaper for the "broadcaster" It actually reaches the PC literate in a country, and chances are they're the people you want to reach. That depends. There might be a number of Finns in a given country which has poor internet access. Broadcasting to expatriots is still a perfectly good use of SW broadcasting. SW broadcasting started with the colonial powers such as Great Britian and The Netherlands broadcasting programming from home to their people abroad. Using radio for propaganda and public diplomacy started during WW2 and continued through the Cold War. Back to SWLing; Perhaps my view is colored by SWLing in the US, where it's probably the hobby of a few, rather than the communication media for the many. I guess there are countrys where folks rely on SW for their news/info/entertainment...... But then, wouldn't they listen to their own country feeds ?? rj Many, or most, of the tropical band stations have disappeared. They've been replaced by FM stations and FM repeaters. Frank Dresser |
"no_spam_here" wrote in message om... [snip] Shortwave international broadcast is taking it's last gasping breaths. Propaganda radio still serves a purpose in broadcasting to nations with restricted media such as China and Cuba. Frank Dresser |
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"no_spam_here" wrote in message om... [snip] These countries are in a budget cutting era and they are finding that with satellite and internet and cable that they can reach more people with fewer of their dollars expended. [snip] If they really want to save money, they can just stop making shows. I really doubt there is much return for the sort of public diplomacy broadcasting which is in decline. For example, I'm sure Radio Nederland has spent alot of money making shows in the English language. Just what do they get for it? Maybe (or maybe not) a few more tourists? International Broadcasting is a source of news and entertainment for it's listners. But does that justify the expense? Frank Dresser |
"no_spam_here" wrote in message om... [snip] They really don't care about the poor African with the wind up radio. That's for their little country to deal with. [snip] They should want to get a message to the poor African, and so should we. A couple of sects of Islamic fundamentalists have declared war on Western Civilization. There is a propaganda battle between them and us now. The Osama bin :Ladens of the world would be very pleased if we didn't bother fighting his propaganda in the third world. Frank Dresser |
Why don't you expand on your comment. How am I reprehensible? I air my
point of view and you don't like what I have to say so I am morally reprehensible? Telamon wrote in message ... In article , (no_spam_here) wrote: Snip Shortwave international broadcast is taking it's last gasping breaths. Yes you are morally reprehensible. |
"no_spam_here" wrote in message om... Frank I don't think that words will fight the muslim terrorists to an end they only understand terror and the only way to stop them is to send them to their god which is NOT my God. More Christian broadcasting to Africa will have a chance to help but not until the muslim terrorist are gone. Few Muslims are terrorists. But a great many of them are isolated and illiterate. I think there is great value in broadcasting the Western, and American, point of view to them. They likely don't personally know any Westerners. Their opinions of us are heavily influenced by a controlled media. I think there is great value in showing that Westerners are all sorts of people, but generally a decent sort. And there is great value in showing that their controlled media is frequently deceptive and dishonest. It's not all that different than the Cold War, in which the BBC and Radio Liberty came to be seen as more honest and reliable than the local media. Open societies have a huge propaganda advantage over closed societies, and we must take advantage of it. Our pursuit of the hard core terrorists will drive them deeper into the isolated parts of the third world. If all these people know about Westerners is the lies and misrepresentations they've heard, they will consider the terrorists heroes. The sort of heroes a young man with nothing to do and plenty to prove might join up with. On the other hand, if we can manage to do a good job presenting our side, the locals will be more skeptical of the extremists. They might not give them assistance, maybe even turn in the terrorists. Those same young men, better informed, might look at the terrorists as a bunch of crazy old men. Frank Dresser |
Geez, you must not have been around SW very long. I find there's more
interesting radio to listen to now than there was 30-40 years ago. Less propaganda, more interesting documentary radio, and even the crackpot talk shows on private SW broadcasters can be fun to listen to. Pierre "no_spam_here" wrote in message om... Pierre The sky has fallen, you just haven't been hit yet. BBC and R Norway Duetchewelle and others are lighting the way for others. Just stay in your own little world. Ya know, Radio Shack isn't really a good barometer but even they dropped all of their Rat Shack branded SW items. A pretty good sign of the times and the demise of SW broadcasting as we know it. If there was money inSW radios, Rat Shack would have as much as they could get instead they bailed. So has the sky fallen. Cover your head. There is almost zero SW broadcast content any more. Be the last to figure it out. Even Radio Havana has cut broadcast hours in an attempt to fund something useful such as supplying the people toilet tissue. Shortwave international broadcast is taking it's last gasping breaths. |
Somehow, I find it hard to picture the Chinese family, gathered around the short-wave radio at night, to listen to BBC broadcast the "real" news....... It just sounds so WWII-ish..... On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 04:59:18 GMT, "Frank Dresser" wrote: "no_spam_here" wrote in message . com... [snip] Shortwave international broadcast is taking it's last gasping breaths. Propaganda radio still serves a purpose in broadcasting to nations with restricted media such as China and Cuba. Frank Dresser rj |
"RHF" wrote in message om... FD, First of all the 'poor' in Africa is the average common man and woman living in a village or town. These 'poor' Africans only speak their local reagional dialect of some native landguage. I know we've dropped some African languages, and I think that's a mistake. Still,Arabic, English and French are common second languages, if not first languages. More and more of the Message to the 'poor' in Africa is being done with [in country] FM Radio Sations vice Shortwave Radio. The process is two fold: Getting cheap low cost AM/FW Radios into every Hut and Home. {The most coommon Radios to be found and the easist to use.} Getting your message out to the locals via a low cost medium powered FM Station. Distribution is done via Satellite or the Internet to the local FM Stations. ~ RHF . Satellite is ideal for rebroadcasting, but I hope we aren't using the internet for that purpose. Anyway, I know tropical band SW broadcasting is greatly diminished, but it's still there. And we should be broadcasting on SW to the third world at least as long as there are some people listening to their SW radios. Frank Dresser |
"Frank Dresser" wrote in message ... "RHF" wrote in message om... FD, First of all the 'poor' in Africa is the average common man and woman living in a village or town. These 'poor' Africans only speak their local reagional dialect of some native landguage. I know we've dropped some African languages, and I think that's a mistake. Still,Arabic, English and French are common second languages, if not first languages. More and more of the Message to the 'poor' in Africa is being done with [in country] FM Radio Sations vice Shortwave Radio. The process is two fold: Getting cheap low cost AM/FW Radios into every Hut and Home. {The most coommon Radios to be found and the easist to use.} Getting your message out to the locals via a low cost medium powered FM Station. Distribution is done via Satellite or the Internet to the local FM Stations. ~ RHF . Satellite is ideal for rebroadcasting, but I hope we aren't using the internet for that purpose. Anyway, I know tropical band SW broadcasting is greatly diminished, but it's still there. And we should be broadcasting on SW to the third world at least as long as there are some people listening to their SW radios. Frank Dresser I took my Kaito 1102 with me to San Pedro, Belize last week, and am happy to report that there is PLENTY of shortwave to listen to down there. However, they do have noisy powerlines (or generators, or something that makes a racket on various frequencies). Just for grins, I also tried some MW dx with it and was really surprised to be able to listen to George Noory on WOAI (San Antonio). The signal was fairly weak but steady, but since there weren't a lot of MW signals out there to interfere, the 1102 pulled it right in. FM was the biggest surprise. Two stations -- one playing Mexicano-style stuff, the other -- get this -- country western (the time I checked -- 88.1 Mhz or so). -- Stinger |
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"Frank Dresser" wrote: "RHF" wrote in message om... FD, First of all the 'poor' in Africa is the average common man and woman living in a village or town. These 'poor' Africans only speak their local reagional dialect of some native landguage. I know we've dropped some African languages, and I think that's a mistake. Still,Arabic, English and French are common second languages, if not first languages. More and more of the Message to the 'poor' in Africa is being done with [in country] FM Radio Sations vice Shortwave Radio. The process is two fold: Getting cheap low cost AM/FW Radios into every Hut and Home. {The most coommon Radios to be found and the easist to use.} Getting your message out to the locals via a low cost medium powered FM Station. Distribution is done via Satellite or the Internet to the local FM Stations. ~ RHF . Satellite is ideal for rebroadcasting, but I hope we aren't using the internet for that purpose. Anyway, I know tropical band SW broadcasting is greatly diminished, but it's still there. And we should be broadcasting on SW to the third world at least as long as there are some people listening to their SW radios. I'm listening to RNZ and Australia right now and I was listening to radio Japan and radio Netherlands earlier today. I've spent a few hours listening to them and I won't the mention others listened to for less then 15 minutes. Who did you listen to today? -- Telamon Ventura, California |
"Stinger" wrote in message .. . I took my Kaito 1102 with me to San Pedro, Belize last week, and am happy to report that there is PLENTY of shortwave to listen to down there. However, they do have noisy powerlines (or generators, or something that makes a racket on various frequencies). Just for grins, I also tried some MW dx with it and was really surprised to be able to listen to George Noory on WOAI (San Antonio). The signal was fairly weak but steady, but since there weren't a lot of MW signals out there to interfere, the 1102 pulled it right in. FM was the biggest surprise. Two stations -- one playing Mexicano-style stuff, the other -- get this -- country western (the time I checked -- 88.1 Mhz or so). -- Stinger Country western in English? I ask because one of the Spanish language stations here plays some Spanish language rockabilly and doo-wop. It's like radio from an alternate universe!! Frank Dresser |
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"Stinger" wrote: "Frank Dresser" wrote in message ... "RHF" wrote in message om... FD, First of all the 'poor' in Africa is the average common man and woman living in a village or town. These 'poor' Africans only speak their local reagional dialect of some native landguage. I know we've dropped some African languages, and I think that's a mistake. Still,Arabic, English and French are common second languages, if not first languages. More and more of the Message to the 'poor' in Africa is being done with [in country] FM Radio Sations vice Shortwave Radio. The process is two fold: Getting cheap low cost AM/FW Radios into every Hut and Home. {The most coommon Radios to be found and the easist to use.} Getting your message out to the locals via a low cost medium powered FM Station. Distribution is done via Satellite or the Internet to the local FM Stations. ~ RHF . Satellite is ideal for rebroadcasting, but I hope we aren't using the internet for that purpose. Anyway, I know tropical band SW broadcasting is greatly diminished, but it's still there. And we should be broadcasting on SW to the third world at least as long as there are some people listening to their SW radios. Frank Dresser I took my Kaito 1102 with me to San Pedro, Belize last week, and am happy to report that there is PLENTY of shortwave to listen to down there. However, they do have noisy powerlines (or generators, or something that makes a racket on various frequencies). Just for grins, I also tried some MW dx with it and was really surprised to be able to listen to George Noory on WOAI (San Antonio). The signal was fairly weak but steady, but since there weren't a lot of MW signals out there to interfere, the 1102 pulled it right in. FM was the biggest surprise. Two stations -- one playing Mexicano-style stuff, the other -- get this -- country western (the time I checked -- 88.1 Mhz or so). Whenever I vacation in Mexico I take the 7600G with me and I heard plenty down there from SA. Like you I could hear Art Bell on at least one station from either Florida or Texas depending on which coast I was on. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
"Telamon" wrote in message ... I'm listening to RNZ and Australia right now and I was listening to radio Japan and radio Netherlands earlier today. I've spent a few hours listening to them and I won't the mention others listened to for less then 15 minutes. Who did you listen to today? -- Telamon Ventura, California Woke up in time for George W. Gentry, I hate to miss that. Caught Brother Stair for a while. I also heard some boring preachers I can't identify. I missed Texe Marrs. Heard some Dr. Dean on WLS. Listened to some jazz on the FM side. Frank Dresser |
"Frank Dresser" wrote in message ... "Stinger" wrote in message .. . I took my Kaito 1102 with me to San Pedro, Belize last week, and am happy to report that there is PLENTY of shortwave to listen to down there. However, they do have noisy powerlines (or generators, or something that makes a racket on various frequencies). Just for grins, I also tried some MW dx with it and was really surprised to be able to listen to George Noory on WOAI (San Antonio). The signal was fairly weak but steady, but since there weren't a lot of MW signals out there to interfere, the 1102 pulled it right in. FM was the biggest surprise. Two stations -- one playing Mexicano-style stuff, the other -- get this -- country western (the time I checked -- 88.1 Mhz or so). -- Stinger Country western in English? I ask because one of the Spanish language stations here plays some Spanish language rockabilly and doo-wop. It's like radio from an alternate universe!! Frank Dresser IIRC, English is a primary language in Belize.. lot of US expats down there. |
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"Frank Dresser" wrote: "Telamon" wrote in message ... I'm listening to RNZ and Australia right now and I was listening to radio Japan and radio Netherlands earlier today. I've spent a few hours listening to them and I won't the mention others listened to for less then 15 minutes. Who did you listen to today? -- Telamon Ventura, California Woke up in time for George W. Gentry, I hate to miss that. Caught Brother Stair for a while. I also heard some boring preachers I can't identify. I missed Texe Marrs. Heard some Dr. Dean on WLS. Listened to some jazz on the FM side. You can't miss Brother Stair on the bands. Always heard him on the 60, 41 meter bands. Lately he seems to be on 31 meters a lot. Heard him today in two places on the 16 meter band at the same time. Could not miss him if I tried. You must usually listen to Texe Marrs on WWCR 5070 right? -- Telamon Ventura, California |
So you are saying that anyone that top posts and doesn't agree is
reprehensible? So I'm a troll but at least I do have something to say and what I have to say is accurate. Another thing I have to say is that ShortWave radio as we know it will be dead in 5 years. Too much expense and too little return for most countries. Oh by the way, taking that little Sony to Mexico and listening to BC or MW isn't the same thing as international broadcasters. BcB or MW broadcasters are supported by paid ads not supported by government. Telamon wrote in message ... In article , (no_spam_here) wrote: Telamon wrote in message . .. In article , (no_spam_here) wrote: Snip Shortwave international broadcast is taking it's last gasping breaths. Yes you are morally reprehensible. Why don't you expand on your comment. How am I reprehensible? I air my point of view and you don't like what I have to say so I am morally reprehensible? 1. You are a top poster and that is a cardinal sin. This shows disrespect for Usenet conventions and people that read the news group. 2. You claim the demise of short wave in a short wave listeners news group just to be provocative. 3. You don't listen to short wave radio while posting disruptive nonsense to the RRS newsgroup. You are just here to be a Troll. 4. Your purpose of just being a Troll makes you in my eye morally reprehensible. I highly doubt that anything will come of discourse with you other than nonsense. |
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(no_spam_here) wrote: Telamon wrote in message ... In article , (no_spam_here) wrote: Telamon wrote in message . .. In article , (no_spam_here) wrote: Snip Shortwave international broadcast is taking it's last gasping breaths. Yes you are morally reprehensible. Why don't you expand on your comment. How am I reprehensible? I air my point of view and you don't like what I have to say so I am morally reprehensible? 1. You are a top poster and that is a cardinal sin. This shows disrespect for Usenet conventions and people that read the news group. 2. You claim the demise of short wave in a short wave listeners news group just to be provocative. 3. You don't listen to short wave radio while posting disruptive nonsense to the RRS newsgroup. You are just here to be a Troll. 4. Your purpose of just being a Troll makes you in my eye morally reprehensible. I highly doubt that anything will come of discourse with you other than nonsense. So you are saying that anyone that top posts and doesn't agree is reprehensible? Yes. Trolls are notoriously not agreeable. So I'm a troll but at least I do have something to say So far so good and what I have to say is accurate. There you went off the deep end Another thing I have to say is that ShortWave radio as we know it will be dead in 5 years. "Yawn" Too much expense and too little return for most countries. Oh by the way, taking that little Sony to Mexico and listening to BC or MW isn't the same thing as international broadcasters. BcB or MW broadcasters are supported by paid ads not supported by government. No I was listening to SA and CA on short wave. I listened to the US on BCB. Try to keep up OK. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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Telamon writes: I'm listening to RNZ and Australia right now and I was listening to radio Japan and radio Netherlands earlier today. I've spent a few hours listening to them and I won't the mention others listened to for less then 15 minutes. Who did you listen to today? -- Telamon Ventura, California Telamon: - Currrently listening to Radio canada ( 9.515) - checked into Radio New Zealand last night (15.720 ) BBC( 12.095 & 5.975 ) And WBCQ 7.415 John Lightning.. All of these can be picked up on a cheap portable with an external antenna Dan / NYC |
Stinger, Welcome Back !
& thanks for the report. It's amazing how much stuff you can pick up down there on Shortwave - Speaking about "Down", how was diving ? How was the food? How were the accomodations? What's it like in San Pedro ? When in Bonaire, I was picking up Lots of South American Stuff , ( Didn't log anything; Just lazed about ! ) Dan / NYC In article , "Stinger" writes: I took my Kaito 1102 with me to San Pedro, Belize last week, and am happy to report that there is PLENTY of shortwave to listen to down there. However, they do have noisy powerlines (or generators, or something that makes a racket on various frequencies). Just for grins, I also tried some MW dx with it and was really surprised to be able to listen to George Noory on WOAI (San Antonio). The signal was fairly weak but steady, but since there weren't a lot of MW signals out there to interfere, the 1102 pulled it right in. FM was the biggest surprise. Two stations -- one playing Mexicano-style stuff, the other -- get this -- country western (the time I checked -- 88.1 Mhz or so). -- Stinger |
"Telamon" wrote in message ... You can't miss Brother Stair on the bands. Always heard him on the 60, 41 meter bands. Lately he seems to be on 31 meters a lot. Heard him today in two places on the 16 meter band at the same time. Could not miss him if I tried. This has been a great week for the Brother Stair listeners. So much backing down from his false predictions of the Reagan Administration. One of his callers was sure Planet X is still out there, and could fly by any minute. And there could be big things happening in the next five months. Why five months and not four months or six months? Don't know -- stay tuned!! You must usually listen to Texe Marrs on WWCR 5070 right? I don't always get to listen during the evenings, but I wanted to listen to Texe on Sunday night. Then it slipped my mind. Oh, well. Brothers Gentry and Stair made up for it. Frank Dresser |
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