Radio Finland, the external service of the Finnish Broadcasting Company
(YLE), may close down its service on the shortwave and mediumwave bands.
This would leave external service programming available only via satellite
and on the Internet. The aim would be to cut expenses. Currently
distribution costs for Radio Finland total 3.4 million euros annually. YLE
Administrative Council is expected to decide the fate of shortwave later
this year. In 2002 (see DXing.info news in June and September 2002 as well
as a history of the cuts in the DXing.info Community) Radio Finland closed
down its services in English, German and French, while Finnish, Swedish and
Russian programming continued on shortwave as well as for Northern Europe
also on the mediumwave band. A source at YLE tells DXing.info that possible
lobbying from the part of DXers would only reduce the chances of remaining
on the air, because the only justification for shortwave is to serve
expatriate Finns, who number about 250.000. A decision to cut shortwave
would become easier if the station is viewed as serving primarily a fringe
audience of radio hobbyists.

(DXing.info, June 9, 2004)

http://www.dxing.info/news/index.dx#finland

That was an interesting post - it kind of leads me to think "what is the
future of shortwaving as a hobby?" A topic I am sure has been moved on this
group before

Richard, Warsaw

"Mike Terry" wrote in message
...
Radio Finland, the external service of the Finnish Broadcasting Company
(YLE), may close down its service on the shortwave and mediumwave bands.
This would leave external service programming available only via satellite
and on the Internet. The aim would be to cut expenses. Currently
distribution costs for Radio Finland total 3.4 million euros annually. YLE
Administrative Council is expected to decide the fate of shortwave later
this year. In 2002 (see DXing.info news in June and September 2002 as well
as a history of the cuts in the DXing.info Community) Radio Finland closed
down its services in English, German and French, while Finnish, Swedish
and
Russian programming continued on shortwave as well as for Northern Europe
also on the mediumwave band. A source at YLE tells DXing.info that
possible
lobbying from the part of DXers would only reduce the chances of remaining
on the air, because the only justification for shortwave is to serve
expatriate Finns, who number about 250.000. A decision to cut shortwave
would become easier if the station is viewed as serving primarily a fringe
audience of radio hobbyists.

(DXing.info, June 9, 2004)

http://www.dxing.info/news/index.dx#finland

Mike Terry wrote:

Radio Finland, the external service of the Finnish Broadcasting Company
(YLE), may close down its service on the shortwave and mediumwave bands.
This would leave external service programming available only via satellite
and on the Internet. The aim would be to cut expenses. Currently
distribution costs for Radio Finland total 3.4 million euros annually. YLE
Administrative Council is expected to decide the fate of shortwave later
this year. In 2002 (see DXing.info news in June and September 2002 as well
as a history of the cuts in the DXing.info Community) Radio Finland closed
down its services in English, German and French, while Finnish, Swedish and
Russian programming continued on shortwave as well as for Northern Europe
also on the mediumwave band. A source at YLE tells DXing.info that possible
lobbying from the part of DXers would only reduce the chances of remaining
on the air, because the only justification for shortwave is to serve
expatriate Finns, who number about 250.000. A decision to cut shortwave
would become easier if the station is viewed as serving primarily a fringe
audience of radio hobbyists.

(DXing.info, June 9, 2004)

Some other comments from DXLD:

A point I have made over and over again for the past several decades,
often to the irritation of DXers. But still people insist on write-in
campaigns which only serve to convince the broadcasters that the
people listening are not the ones they want to reach. I'm glad that
this point has been made, especially by a broadcaster and Web site in
a country where DXing remains a popular hobby (Andy Sennitt, June 10,
dxldyg via DXLD)

Ah, then, we hobbyists should all write to YLE urging them to close it
down, so they will not close it down in order to spite us! Actually,
the only language they use any more I can sort of understand is Latin
(gh, WORLD OF RADIO 1233, DXLD)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

The INTERNET is the future of communication.

There are more internet users than there are SWL's

No static, no reception probs, no antennas.

Log on.... and connect !
AND
( an internet bonus ) You can respond with eMail.

Do you think that this hobby news-group would be possible with SW ?

All the broadcaster needs is an editor/writer,
a computer, and a phone line.
And no more multi-kilowatt electric bill.


Face the reality folks




On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:29:18 +0200, "Richard"
wrote:

That was an interesting post - it kind of leads me to think "what is the
future of shortwaving as a hobby?" A topic I am sure has been moved on this
group before

Richard, Warsaw

"Mike Terry" wrote in message
...
Radio Finland, the external service of the Finnish Broadcasting Company
(YLE), may close down its service on the shortwave and mediumwave bands.
This would leave external service programming available only via satellite
and on the Internet. The aim would be to cut expenses. Currently
distribution costs for Radio Finland total 3.4 million euros annually. YLE
Administrative Council is expected to decide the fate of shortwave later
this year. In 2002 (see DXing.info news in June and September 2002 as well
as a history of the cuts in the DXing.info Community) Radio Finland closed
down its services in English, German and French, while Finnish, Swedish
and
Russian programming continued on shortwave as well as for Northern Europe
also on the mediumwave band. A source at YLE tells DXing.info that
possible
lobbying from the part of DXers would only reduce the chances of remaining
on the air, because the only justification for shortwave is to serve
expatriate Finns, who number about 250.000. A decision to cut shortwave
would become easier if the station is viewed as serving primarily a fringe
audience of radio hobbyists.

(DXing.info, June 9, 2004)

http://www.dxing.info/news/index.dx#finland




rj

You argue your case well RJ and I suppose in the years to come the thrill of
dxing will be tuning into the low power local stations that remain on the
many new clear channels. In a strange way its going back in time before the
days of the superpower transmitters.




"RJ" wrote in message
...

The INTERNET is the future of communication.

There are more internet users than there are SWL's

No static, no reception probs, no antennas.

Log on.... and connect !
AND
( an internet bonus ) You can respond with eMail.

Do you think that this hobby news-group would be possible with SW ?

All the broadcaster needs is an editor/writer,
a computer, and a phone line.
And no more multi-kilowatt electric bill.


Face the reality folks




On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:29:18 +0200, "Richard"
wrote:

That was an interesting post - it kind of leads me to think "what is the
future of shortwaving as a hobby?" A topic I am sure has been moved on
this
group before

Richard, Warsaw

"Mike Terry" wrote in message
...
Radio Finland, the external service of the Finnish Broadcasting Company
(YLE), may close down its service on the shortwave and mediumwave
bands.
This would leave external service programming available only via
satellite
and on the Internet. The aim would be to cut expenses. Currently
distribution costs for Radio Finland total 3.4 million euros annually.
YLE
Administrative Council is expected to decide the fate of shortwave
later
this year. In 2002 (see DXing.info news in June and September 2002 as
well
as a history of the cuts in the DXing.info Community) Radio Finland
closed
down its services in English, German and French, while Finnish, Swedish
and
Russian programming continued on shortwave as well as for Northern
Europe
also on the mediumwave band. A source at YLE tells DXing.info that
possible
lobbying from the part of DXers would only reduce the chances of
remaining
on the air, because the only justification for shortwave is to serve
expatriate Finns, who number about 250.000. A decision to cut shortwave
would become easier if the station is viewed as serving primarily a
fringe
audience of radio hobbyists.

(DXing.info, June 9, 2004)

http://www.dxing.info/news/index.dx#finland




rj

"" wrote:

The INTERNET is the future of communication.

There are more internet users than there are SWL's

No static, no reception probs, no antennas.

Log on.... and connect !
AND
( an internet bonus ) You can respond with eMail.

Do you think that this hobby news-group would be possible with SW ?

All the broadcaster needs is an editor/writer,
a computer, and a phone line.
And no more multi-kilowatt electric bill.

Face the reality folks

The reality is that ever since I've been exposed to this hobby, (around 1966 or
so), there have been those who've been claiming that shortwave is dead.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

All the broadcaster needs is an editor/writer, a computer, and a phone line.
And no more multi-kilowatt electric bill.

So, what does bandwidth cost, so you can have more than one "listener?"

Bill, K5BY

Ah!, But you are presuming all have access to the Internet, and many
staions - like VOA, BBC, etc are aimed at second and third world internet
access is poor at best.

This will be the great break on the Internet replacing short wave

"RJ" wrote in message
...

The INTERNET is the future of communication.

There are more internet users than there are SWL's

No static, no reception probs, no antennas.

Log on.... and connect !
AND
( an internet bonus ) You can respond with eMail.

Do you think that this hobby news-group would be possible with SW ?

All the broadcaster needs is an editor/writer,
a computer, and a phone line.
And no more multi-kilowatt electric bill.


Face the reality folks




On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:29:18 +0200, "Richard"
wrote:

That was an interesting post - it kind of leads me to think "what is the
future of shortwaving as a hobby?" A topic I am sure has been moved on
this
group before

Richard, Warsaw

"Mike Terry" wrote in message
...
Radio Finland, the external service of the Finnish Broadcasting Company
(YLE), may close down its service on the shortwave and mediumwave
bands.
This would leave external service programming available only via
satellite
and on the Internet. The aim would be to cut expenses. Currently
distribution costs for Radio Finland total 3.4 million euros annually.
YLE
Administrative Council is expected to decide the fate of shortwave
later
this year. In 2002 (see DXing.info news in June and September 2002 as
well
as a history of the cuts in the DXing.info Community) Radio Finland
closed
down its services in English, German and French, while Finnish, Swedish
and
Russian programming continued on shortwave as well as for Northern
Europe
also on the mediumwave band. A source at YLE tells DXing.info that
possible
lobbying from the part of DXers would only reduce the chances of
remaining
on the air, because the only justification for shortwave is to serve
expatriate Finns, who number about 250.000. A decision to cut shortwave
would become easier if the station is viewed as serving primarily a
fringe
audience of radio hobbyists.

(DXing.info, June 9, 2004)

http://www.dxing.info/news/index.dx#finland




rj

"Richard" wrote in message
...

Ah!, But you are presuming all have access to the Internet, and many
staions - like VOA, BBC, etc are aimed at second and third world internet
access is poor at best.

This will be the great break on the Internet replacing short wave

"RJ" wrote in message
...

The INTERNET is the future of communication.

There are more internet users than there are SWL's

No static, no reception probs, no antennas.

Log on.... and connect !
AND
( an internet bonus ) You can respond with eMail.

Do you think that this hobby news-group would be possible with SW ?

All the broadcaster needs is an editor/writer,
a computer, and a phone line.
And no more multi-kilowatt electric bill.


Face the reality folks

And where did RJ get this 'no reception problems' crap? For starters, I
doubt that any radio service has the backbone facilities to cover even a
small percentage of their SW audience over the internet. As well, the
internet is not the best connection medium to start with. Heavy net traffic
in a given area clogs up audio and video streams. I'm always having trouble
with streamed media, even with a broadband (two, in fact) connection. And
when that signal drops out, you have nothing until the congestion goes
away... at least with good old analog SW, you can hear SOMETHING as the
signal fades..

Was in the Netherland antilles a while back ;

Radio Netherlands has a HUGE antenna farm, on Bonaire,

beaming Shortwave down to South America
- where electricity is spotty, telephones not a sure bet
computers a Luxury
and the internet used mostly in large cities..

Once you leave the "Strip Mall Zone" in the civilized world, shortwave takes
over..

Dan


In article , "Richard"
writes:

Subject: SW has a future!
From: "Richard"
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 00:16:58 +0200


Ah!, But you are presuming all have access to the Internet, and many
staions - like VOA, BBC, etc are aimed at second and third world internet
access is poor at best.

This will be the great break on the Internet replacing short wave

"RJ" wrote in message
.. .

The INTERNET is the future of communication.

There are more internet users than there are SWL's

No static, no reception probs, no antennas.

Log on.... and connect !
AND
( an internet bonus ) You can respond with eMail.

Do you think that this hobby news-group would be possible with SW ?

All the broadcaster needs is an editor/writer,
a computer, and a phone line.
And no more multi-kilowatt electric bill.


Face the reality folks




On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 12:29:18 +0200, "Richard"
wrote:

That was an interesting post - it kind of leads me to think "what is the
future of shortwaving as a hobby?" A topic I am sure has been moved on
this
group before

Richard, Warsaw

"Mike Terry" wrote in message
...
Radio Finland, the external service of the Finnish Broadcasting Company
(YLE), may close down its service on the shortwave and mediumwave
bands.
This would leave external service programming available only via
satellite
and on the Internet. The aim would be to cut expenses. Currently
distribution costs for Radio Finland total 3.4 million euros annually.
YLE
Administrative Council is expected to decide the fate of shortwave
later
this year. In 2002 (see DXing.info news in June and September 2002 as
well
as a history of the cuts in the DXing.info Community) Radio Finland
closed
down its services in English, German and French, while Finnish, Swedish
and
Russian programming continued on shortwave as well as for Northern
Europe
also on the mediumwave band. A source at YLE tells DXing.info that
possible
lobbying from the part of DXers would only reduce the chances of
remaining
on the air, because the only justification for shortwave is to serve
expatriate Finns, who number about 250.000. A decision to cut shortwave
would become easier if the station is viewed as serving primarily a
fringe
audience of radio hobbyists.

(DXing.info, June 9, 2004)

http://www.dxing.info/news/index.dx#finland




rj