RC,

The initial poster cross-posted the original Post to three NewsGroups.
1. rec.radio.shortwave
2. rec.radio.amateur.antenna
3. nl.radio.amateur

Then to just two:
1. rec.radio.shortwave
2. rec.radio.amateur.antenna

This reply is ONLY to: Rec.Radio.Shortwave {RRS}

I can see by your "WPE" Call-Sign that at one time you were a
SWL'er. But you have gone way beyond that now and are a Licensed
Amateur Radio Operator. I concede that you have far superior
technical expertise then myself in the area of antennas and more.

I simply remain a SWL'er

I will repeat part of my prior post:
"Spoken (written) like a True Amateur, and precisely why most SWLs
ignore what is written in reply to SWL 'type' Antennas questions
by HAMs."

As an Amateur 'you' talk down to me as a SWL and use your knowledge
and expertise to Attack and attempt to humble me as a SWL.

Everything that you have said may be true. But IMHO it is way
beyond what a SWL needs to know to simply build a SWL Antenna to
meet their listening needs with a 'portable' SW Radio or may be
a table top General Coverage Receiver. An Antenna that will fit
the 'limits' of their Available Space and other building and
property restrictions. A SWL Antenna that will make their
SWL'ing more interesting and enjoyable.

RC - What you have written and the tone that you take would
simply turn most new SWL'ers off.

iane ~ RHF
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On 29 Jun 2004 11:30:01 -0700, (RHF) wrote:

RC (KB7QHC),

Spoken (written) like a True Amateur, and precicly why most SWLs
ignore what is written in reply to SWL 'type' Antennas questions
by HAMs.

Strange logic to offer that a listener comes here to post a query they
will ignore in anticipation. Rather self serving argument isn't it?

Most SWLs work to get the best signal (cleanest signal and lowest
noise) they can to be able to listen to what they what to hear.

There is nothing in this statement that distinguishes amateur from
listener. Further, it contains absolutely no technical material to
support any sense of this exclusivity of concern. To respond in kind,
you don't even rise to amateur status.

But there is a real difference between the radio receiving focus
of a SWL'er and a HAM.

I simply offered my opinion and nothing more; but feel free to
use all the Technical Material you feel necessary to support
your position.

I have never claimed 'amateur' "Status"; and I did not think
that on Rec.Radio.Shortwave a License was required.
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The HAM would hardly ever consider a 'random' wire Antenna;

Now this is a statement that is clearly in error.
The archives will attest to this.

This may be a matter of perception and degree.
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but to the SWL'er the "Random" Wire Antenna 'concept' is a
natural to fill their available space. Power handling, gain
and antenna design characteristics are the focus of the HAM.

As they are no more or less for a listener. If you find some other
motivation, it is strictly your own prejudice.

? motivation ? prejudice ?
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As far as the AM/MW Loop Antenna's are concerned. For the AM/MW
DX'er these Antenna's perform the best for their size and the
available space that the average Broadcast Listener (BCL) has
for these Medium Wave Band. The SWL'er wants to hear any Radio
Station out there from any direction.

Perhaps you should attend this board more often to learn the
fundamentals. There is no impediment to hearing any Radio Station out
there from any direction with simple verticals. SW sets come with
them you know.

Yes many 'portable' SW Radio have small Whip Antennas built-in
to the radios. But to the SWL'er attempting to use an External
Antenna to Hear-More. A Vertical Antenna that is subject to
more RFI/EMF would not be my first suggestion. A Horizontal
Random Wire or Inverted "L" Antenna using Low Noise design
concepts would be what I would recommend.

Here are Three Links to give you an idea of what I am talking about:
http://www.anarc.org/naswa/badx/ante...e_antenna.html
http://www.anarc.org/naswa/badx/ante..._longwire.html
http://www.anarc.org/naswa/badx/antennas/grounding.html
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The 'focus' of the SWL'er is simpy different then the Amateur;
and the majority of SWL'ers are Program Listeners who seldom
listen to the HAM Bands.

So why are you posting to an amateur group? Why an antenna group?
You would be better served through your self-imposed limitations by
staying out of the fast lane.

The initial poster cross-posted the original Post to three NewsGroups.
1. rec.radio.shortwave
2. rec.radio.amateur.antenna
3. nl.radio.amateur

Then to just two:
1. rec.radio.shortwave
2. rec.radio.amateur.antenna

This reply is ONLY to: Rec.Radio.Shortwave {RRS}

I have never claimed 'amateur' "Status"; and I did not think
that on Rec.Radio.Shortwave a License was required.
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73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC, WPE0EPH

p.s. if the WPE0EPH is unknown to you, it denotes my having been a
Shortwave listener for 40 years and registered with the Popular
Electronics DX club (as well as a sack full of others from around the
world).

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