Al Dykes wrote:

In article ,
dxAce wrote:


Frank Dresser wrote:

"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message
...
Story on Drudge says Air America is strapped for cash, and had less than
they claimed when they started. Looks like maybe the check for Chicago did
bounce.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash8.htm

Actually, the check never had a chance to bounce. Arthur Liu at
Multicultural was told the check was stopped, so he shouldn't even bother
depositing it.

Matt Drudge has been taking a pointed interest in the Air America story,
possibly because some numbnut at Air America wrote the infamous "Liu-ser"
article ridiculing Drudge and Liu.

"The WALL STREET JOURNAL reports on Monday: Several employees say they still
haven't been reimbursed for the costs of attending the New York launch."
"Many of Air America's investors and executives say they thought the network
had raised more than $30 million, based on assurances from its owners,
Guam-based entrepreneurs Evan M. Cohen and Rex Sorensen."

"In fact, Air America had raised only $6 million, Mr. Cohen concedes"

What were the investors thinking about, just before the network started up?
Were they throwing their money into the Democratic party? The "Tyco
Birthday Party"?

"On March 30, the night before Air America went on the air, the liberal
radio network threw itself a $70,000 party at Manhattan's hip Maritime
Hotel."

This story isn't new but it does add some details to the known problems Air
America's management had. They announced a possible deal with new investors
over a month ago. I have no idea how that's going.

Air America may have been started up by incompetent businessmen, but they
have shown there's a market for that kind of radio. If they can't do it
right, somebody else will.

Hardly... if there was indeed a market, then they would not be in the financial
mess they appear to be in.

They'd be raking in the dough through advertising.

But they're not, are they?

Maybe they need to take lessons from Rush, Hannity, Boortz, etc..... now those
guys are making money.

It seems that Fox was $150 million in the red for the first 2 years
of operation. You can't expect them to be turning a profit
in the first 2 months of operation.

Yes, and FOX is a totally different type of operation, is it not?

We're talking radio here...

If there were a market for that type of show the stations would be breaking down Air
America's door... and they are not.

At least at this point in time Air America is a flop, and as I stated originally,
just as predicted.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

"LW" wrote in message
om...

Maybe they should book profit Stair a few hours a day. Not sure if
he's divorced, but his thing for "young sisters" would certainly make
him quite a *moral voice*.

Profit Stair's talent for fund-raising should have Air America out of
debt in no time.

Maybe he could sell tiny-tennas on Air America to go with the radios
he sold on WWCR.

Yeah, just where has Brother Stair been? Sinners are a dime a dozen, but
Brother Stair is missing a chance to preach to sinners who are willing to
**** away a fortune.

Air America should give their whole operation to Brother Stair. His lean
and mean business practices would have Air America in sound financial
condition in no time. No more big salaries. In fact, no more salaries at
all. The Air America staff will be moved to the highly cost-efficient
worker housing development of Walterboro. They better not expect any more
$70,000 parties, either. Not in this lifetime, anyway.

However, some of Air America's ladies might feel a bit, um -- mature for
Brother Stair's septuagenarian interest. I suggest they tell the Prophet --
"Please don't think of me as twenty-eight years old. Think of me as two
fourteen year olds!!"

Frank Dresser

FD,

"If they can't do it right, somebody else will."

RUSH DOES IT "RIGHT" !

The Ultra-Liberals at Air {Head} America
need to Focus on Doing It "LEFT" Big Time !

~ RHF
..
..
= = = "Frank Dresser" wrote in message
= = = ...
"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message
...
Story on Drudge says Air America is strapped for cash, and had less than
they claimed when they started. Looks like maybe the check for Chicago did
bounce.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash8.htm


Actually, the check never had a chance to bounce. Arthur Liu at
Multicultural was told the check was stopped, so he shouldn't even bother
depositing it.

Matt Drudge has been taking a pointed interest in the Air America story,
possibly because some numbnut at Air America wrote the infamous "Liu-ser"
article ridiculing Drudge and Liu.



"The WALL STREET JOURNAL reports on Monday: Several employees say they still
haven't been reimbursed for the costs of attending the New York launch."
"Many of Air America's investors and executives say they thought the network
had raised more than $30 million, based on assurances from its owners,
Guam-based entrepreneurs Evan M. Cohen and Rex Sorensen."

"In fact, Air America had raised only $6 million, Mr. Cohen concedes"


What were the investors thinking about, just before the network started up?
Were they throwing their money into the Democratic party? The "Tyco
Birthday Party"?

"On March 30, the night before Air America went on the air, the liberal
radio network threw itself a $70,000 party at Manhattan's hip Maritime
Hotel."

This story isn't new but it does add some details to the known problems Air
America's management had. They announced a possible deal with new investors
over a month ago. I have no idea how that's going.

Air America may have been started up by incompetent businessmen, but they
have shown there's a market for that kind of radio. If they can't do it
right, somebody else will.

Frank Dresser
..

In article ,
dxAce wrote:
Hardly... if there was indeed a market, then they would not be in the
financial
mess they appear to be in.

There seems to be a market, at least right now. Al Franken beat Rush
Limbaugh in New York.

"For example, among listeners from 25 and 54, whom advertisers covet, the
network estimates it drew an average listener share (roughly a percentage of
listeners) of 3.4 on WLIB in April, from 10 a.m. and 3 p.m. on weekdays,
according to the company's extrapolation of figures provided by Arbitron for
the three months ended in April. (Arbitron, which does not provide ratings
in monthly increments, said the network's methodology appeared sound,
although such figures were too raw to translate to numbers of listeners.) "

By contrast, according to Air America's figures, WABC-AM drew an average
share of 3.2 during the same period in April for the same age group. That
time period includes the three hours in which Mr. Limbaugh was pitted head
to head against Mr. Franken. "

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0531-08.htm

Air America is in poor financial condition because they were started up by
nit-wits. They vastly overestimated their start up cash, they needlessly
antagonized a station owner and they had some goofy plan in which they
insisted they control all the programming on their affiliates. They paid a
million bucks to the stations in Chicago and New York for almost nothing.




They'd be raking in the dough through advertising.

Maybe they are. Their start-up ratings look good. If the ratings hold, the
money will be coming in. That doesn't mean they won't manage to spend more
than they take in, though.


But they're not, are they?

How do you know they are not raking in the dough? Are you suggesting
advertisers aren't interested in good ratings?


Maybe they need to take lessons from Rush, Hannity, Boortz, etc..... now
those
guys are making money.

Rush, Hannity and Boortz aren't running networks. They are backed by
competent businessmen. If Air America fails, and that doesn't seem
unlikely, I'm sure somebody will pick up the pieces and do it competently.

Frank Dresser

Frank Dresser wrote:

In article ,
dxAce wrote:
Hardly... if there was indeed a market, then they would not be in the
financial
mess they appear to be in.

There seems to be a market, at least right now. Al Franken beat Rush
Limbaugh in New York.

"For example, among listeners from 25 and 54, whom advertisers covet, the
network estimates it drew an average listener share (roughly a percentage of
listeners) of 3.4 on WLIB in April, from 10 a.m. and 3 p.m. on weekdays,
according to the company's extrapolation of figures provided by Arbitron for
the three months ended in April. (Arbitron, which does not provide ratings
in monthly increments, said the network's methodology appeared sound,
although such figures were too raw to translate to numbers of listeners.) "

By contrast, according to Air America's figures, WABC-AM drew an average
share of 3.2 during the same period in April for the same age group. That
time period includes the three hours in which Mr. Limbaugh was pitted head
to head against Mr. Franken. "

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0531-08.htm

Air America is in poor financial condition because they were started up by
nit-wits. They vastly overestimated their start up cash, they needlessly
antagonized a station owner and they had some goofy plan in which they
insisted they control all the programming on their affiliates. They paid a
million bucks to the stations in Chicago and New York for almost nothing.


They'd be raking in the dough through advertising.

Maybe they are. Their start-up ratings look good. If the ratings hold, the
money will be coming in. That doesn't mean they won't manage to spend more
than they take in, though.


But they're not, are they?

How do you know they are not raking in the dough? Are you suggesting
advertisers aren't interested in good ratings?


Maybe they need to take lessons from Rush, Hannity, Boortz, etc..... now
those
guys are making money.

Rush, Hannity and Boortz aren't running networks. They are backed by
competent businessmen. If Air America fails, and that doesn't seem
unlikely, I'm sure somebody will pick up the pieces and do it competently.

Aye, there's the rub! There are no Liberal's who do anything whatsoever
competently.

Air America doesn't need to run a network either, all they need to do is sell a
program, and to date, the program isn't selling, at least in mainstream America.

It's nice to quote figures from New York City and environs, but they should be
an easy sell there, right?

The bottom line is and remains, they just ain't making it, as predicted.

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...

In article ,
dxAce wrote:
Hardly... if there was indeed a market, then they would not be in
the
financial
mess they appear to be in.

There seems to be a market, at least right now. Al Franken beat
Rush
Limbaugh in New York.

"For example, among listeners from 25 and 54, whom advertisers
covet, the
network estimates it drew an average listener share (roughly a
percentage of
listeners) of 3.4 on WLIB in April, from 10 a.m. and 3 p.m. on
weekdays,
according to the company's extrapolation of figures provided by
Arbitron for
the three months ended in April. (Arbitron, which does not provide
ratings
in monthly increments, said the network's methodology appeared
sound,
although such figures were too raw to translate to numbers of
listeners.) "

By contrast, according to Air America's figures, WABC-AM drew an
average
share of 3.2 during the same period in April for the same age group.
That
time period includes the three hours in which Mr. Limbaugh was
pitted head
to head against Mr. Franken. "

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0531-08.htm


While I don't doubt that NYC is potentially fertile ground for Air
America, particularly for a New Yawker wannabe like Franken, I'm not
buying those numbers as proving much. Cases in point: "the network
estimates..." "according to the company's extrapolation of figures
provided by Arbitron..." methodology "sound" but "numbers were to raw
too translate to numbers of listeners.."..... "According to Air
America's figures, WABC-AM drew...."

It seems like any "extrapolations" of "raw numbers" from a bunch that
couldn't extrapolate the raw numbers they needed for a start up should
be looked at skeptically to say the least. Air America needs angels
to keep them running; my guess is that they'll "extrapolate" as
favorably as possible to get investors on board.

dxAce wrote:

Frank Dresser wrote:

In article ,
dxAce wrote:
Hardly... if there was indeed a market, then they would not be in the
financial
mess they appear to be in.

There seems to be a market, at least right now. Al Franken beat Rush
Limbaugh in New York.

"For example, among listeners from 25 and 54, whom advertisers covet, the
network estimates it drew an average listener share (roughly a percentage of
listeners) of 3.4 on WLIB in April, from 10 a.m. and 3 p.m. on weekdays,
according to the company's extrapolation of figures provided by Arbitron for
the three months ended in April. (Arbitron, which does not provide ratings
in monthly increments, said the network's methodology appeared sound,
although such figures were too raw to translate to numbers of listeners.) "

By contrast, according to Air America's figures, WABC-AM drew an average
share of 3.2 during the same period in April for the same age group. That
time period includes the three hours in which Mr. Limbaugh was pitted head
to head against Mr. Franken. "

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0531-08.htm

Air America is in poor financial condition because they were started up by
nit-wits. They vastly overestimated their start up cash, they needlessly
antagonized a station owner and they had some goofy plan in which they
insisted they control all the programming on their affiliates. They paid a
million bucks to the stations in Chicago and New York for almost nothing.


They'd be raking in the dough through advertising.

Maybe they are. Their start-up ratings look good. If the ratings hold, the
money will be coming in. That doesn't mean they won't manage to spend more
than they take in, though.


But they're not, are they?

How do you know they are not raking in the dough? Are you suggesting
advertisers aren't interested in good ratings?


Maybe they need to take lessons from Rush, Hannity, Boortz, etc..... now
those
guys are making money.

Rush, Hannity and Boortz aren't running networks. They are backed by
competent businessmen. If Air America fails, and that doesn't seem
unlikely, I'm sure somebody will pick up the pieces and do it competently.

Aye, there's the rub! There are no Liberal's who do anything whatsoever
competently.

Air America doesn't need to run a network either, all they need to do is sell a
program, and to date, the program isn't selling, at least in mainstream America.

It's nice to quote figures from New York City and environs, but they should be
an easy sell there, right?

The bottom line is and remains, they just ain't making it, as predicted.

One thing I forgot to add, and that is, that I consider Air America to be like
flatulence; it may be necessary, but it's not very nice!

Steve
Holland, MI
Drake R7, R8 and R8B

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...

In article ,
dxAce wrote:
Hardly... if there was indeed a market, then they would not be in the
financial
mess they appear to be in.

There seems to be a market, at least right now. Al Franken beat Rush
Limbaugh in New York.

No, he appeared to have beaten Rush in one age group in April. However, in
the May ratings trends, Rush returns to beat Franken by about three to one
overall, and WABC to beat WLIB by more than 300%.

Your figures are last month's Arbitrend data, these are this month's.

I'm beginning to think that RHF stands for "Rush Has Fans".

Bad joke but I just couldn't resist.

Regards

John Barnard

RHF wrote:

FD,

"If they can't do it right, somebody else will."

RUSH DOES IT "RIGHT" !

The Ultra-Liberals at Air {Head} America
need to Focus on Doing It "LEFT" Big Time !

~ RHF
.
.
= = = "Frank Dresser" wrote in message
= = = ...
"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message
...
Story on Drudge says Air America is strapped for cash, and had less than
they claimed when they started. Looks like maybe the check for Chicago did
bounce.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash8.htm


Actually, the check never had a chance to bounce. Arthur Liu at
Multicultural was told the check was stopped, so he shouldn't even bother
depositing it.

Matt Drudge has been taking a pointed interest in the Air America story,
possibly because some numbnut at Air America wrote the infamous "Liu-ser"
article ridiculing Drudge and Liu.



"The WALL STREET JOURNAL reports on Monday: Several employees say they still
haven't been reimbursed for the costs of attending the New York launch."
"Many of Air America's investors and executives say they thought the network
had raised more than $30 million, based on assurances from its owners,
Guam-based entrepreneurs Evan M. Cohen and Rex Sorensen."

"In fact, Air America had raised only $6 million, Mr. Cohen concedes"


What were the investors thinking about, just before the network started up?
Were they throwing their money into the Democratic party? The "Tyco
Birthday Party"?

"On March 30, the night before Air America went on the air, the liberal
radio network threw itself a $70,000 party at Manhattan's hip Maritime
Hotel."

This story isn't new but it does add some details to the known problems Air
America's management had. They announced a possible deal with new investors
over a month ago. I have no idea how that's going.

Air America may have been started up by incompetent businessmen, but they
have shown there's a market for that kind of radio. If they can't do it
right, somebody else will.

Frank Dresser
.

In article ,
dxAce wrote:


Al Dykes wrote:

In article ,
dxAce wrote:


Frank Dresser wrote:

"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message
...
Story on Drudge says Air America is strapped for cash, and had less than
they claimed when they started. Looks like maybe the check for Chicago did
bounce.

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash8.htm

Actually, the check never had a chance to bounce. Arthur Liu at
Multicultural was told the check was stopped, so he shouldn't even bother
depositing it.

Matt Drudge has been taking a pointed interest in the Air America story,
possibly because some numbnut at Air America wrote the infamous "Liu-ser"
article ridiculing Drudge and Liu.

"The WALL STREET JOURNAL reports on Monday: Several employees say they still
haven't been reimbursed for the costs of attending the New York launch."
"Many of Air America's investors and executives say they thought the network
had raised more than $30 million, based on assurances from its owners,
Guam-based entrepreneurs Evan M. Cohen and Rex Sorensen."

"In fact, Air America had raised only $6 million, Mr. Cohen concedes"

What were the investors thinking about, just before the network started up?
Were they throwing their money into the Democratic party? The "Tyco
Birthday Party"?

"On March 30, the night before Air America went on the air, the liberal
radio network threw itself a $70,000 party at Manhattan's hip Maritime
Hotel."

This story isn't new but it does add some details to the known problems Air
America's management had. They announced a possible deal with new investors
over a month ago. I have no idea how that's going.

Air America may have been started up by incompetent businessmen, but they
have shown there's a market for that kind of radio. If they can't do it
right, somebody else will.

Hardly... if there was indeed a market, then they would not be in the financial
mess they appear to be in.

They'd be raking in the dough through advertising.

But they're not, are they?

Maybe they need to take lessons from Rush, Hannity, Boortz, etc..... now those
guys are making money.

It seems that Fox was $150 million in the red for the first 2 years
of operation. You can't expect them to be turning a profit
in the first 2 months of operation.

Yes, and FOX is a totally different type of operation, is it not?

We're talking radio here...

If there were a market for that type of show the stations would be breaking down Air
America's door... and they are not.


Fox ran in the red for two years. TV may dig a bigger hole, but it's
still a hole. It's a rare startup company of any tipe that is
profitable in the first year. The Wall Street Journal has a article
about AA on Tuesday that I'm told was overall favorable about their
business model.



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