Bill E wrote:
On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 16:15:04 -0600, JJ
wrote:


Bill E wrote:


On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 13:32:59 -0600, JJ
wrote:



Also, even if I *really do* need a license to transmit, I don't need a
license to turn the radio on and listen, do I?

You do not need a license to just listen.


This is not exactly true. The FCC is currently considering a
requirement for a "listener" license. The ruling is related to the
new Patriot Act and says:

Article 10:2:3a The requirement of said radio operator to be
licensed in hereto state of operation for receiving Ham bands.

See also this link: www.us.gov/radioreq/lic/listener

Regards

I doubt that will ever fly, but until if/when it ever does I stand by my
statement which is exactly true, you do not need a license to listen to
the ham bands or any sw bands. I could not get the link to work.


Here's your sign.

???????

"JJ" wrote:

(snip) No one is going to bust through your
front door, but the hams, who will uncover
you sharade rather quickly, will file a report
with the FCC and you will get one of those
letters wanting to know why you are
transmitting on the ham bands without a license
and to continue doing so can result in a hefty
fine. (snip)


Most non-hams would probably be amazed at how much effort the FCC has put
towards making the Amateur radio service effective at self-policing,
including guidelines on locating & identifying the offending party
(rdf/foxhunting), evidence gathering (times, frequencies, tape recordings,
and so on), reporting procedures, attending ham activities to encourage
cooperation, and more. Ham operators have access to a massive amount of
frequecies, spread across the entire radio spectrum. They also have great
liberty in the technology that can be used. As such, the FCC takes this
radio service seriously and expects the operators to do the same.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

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"JJ" wrote:

(snip) No one is going to bust through your
front door, but the hams, who will uncover
you sharade rather quickly, will file a report
with the FCC and you will get one of those
letters wanting to know why you are
transmitting on the ham bands without a license
and to continue doing so can result in a hefty
fine. (snip)


Most non-hams would probably be amazed at how much effort the FCC has put
towards making the Amateur radio service effective at self-policing,
including guidelines on locating & identifying the offending party
(rdf/foxhunting), evidence gathering (times, frequencies, tape recordings,
and so on), reporting procedures, attending ham activities to encourage
cooperation, and more. Ham operators have access to a massive amount of
frequecies, spread across the entire radio spectrum. They also have great
liberty in the technology that can be used. As such, the FCC takes this
radio service seriously and expects the operators to do the same.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

DS et al,

I sorry, I have to Laugh.

But this last couple of posts reads like the FCC (Gestapo)
and the Amateurs (the Hitler Youth) during the NAZI Era.

Something to Think About ~ RHF

..

"RHF" wrote:

DS et al,

I sorry, I have to Laugh.

But this last couple of posts reads like
the FCC (Gestapo) and the Amateurs
(the Hitler Youth) during the NAZI Era.

Something to Think About ~ RHF


Perhaps one would think that if one considers all forms of restrictions
and enforcement to be Nazi-like. However, most people agree reasonable
restrictions, and enforcement of those restrictions, are necessary for
members of societies to co-exist in any civilized manner. And, unlike Nazi
Germany, we all have a clear say in those FCC restrictions and enforcement,
through public comments over proposed rules and through our election of
those who appoint the commission members and oversee their actions. Most
within the radio community agree restrictions and enforcement are valuable,
and were successful at convincing legislators outside the radio community of
that. You're certainly free to disagree, but your disagreement in itself
doesn't make those restrictions and enforcement Nazi-like. Something for you
to think about.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/

Dwight Stewart wrote:

And, unlike Nazi Germany, we all have a clear say in those FCC restrictions and enforcement, through public comments over proposed rules and through our election of those who appoint the commission members and oversee their actions.

When it comes to topics like BPL, the FCC seems more responsive to
industry lobbyists than the public comments.


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"RHF" wrote:

DS et al,

I sorry, I have to Laugh.

But this last couple of posts reads like
the FCC (Gestapo) and the Amateurs
(the Hitler Youth) during the NAZI Era.

Something to Think About ~ RHF


Perhaps one would think that if one considers all forms of restrictions
and enforcement to be Nazi-like. However, most people agree reasonable
restrictions, and enforcement of those restrictions, are necessary for
members of societies to co-exist in any civilized manner. And, unlike Nazi
Germany, we all have a clear say in those FCC restrictions and enforcement,
through public comments over proposed rules and through our election of
those who appoint the commission members and oversee their actions. Most
within the radio community agree restrictions and enforcement are valuable,
and were successful at convincing legislators outside the radio community of
that. You're certainly free to disagree, but your disagreement in itself
doesn't make those restrictions and enforcement Nazi-like. Something for you
to think about.


Dwight Stewart (W5NET)

http://www.qsl.net/w5net/


DS - So t all comes down to 'community standards' ;-) ~ RHF

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On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 06:01:20 GMT, "Corwin, Prince of Amber"
wrote:

All right. I get the idea. Thanks. My radio is up at my house in
the Pocono Mountains, PA, not where I live here in NYC, so I suppose
I'll buy an antenna (good grief, not I've got to figure *that* out!)
and see if I can hear anyone talking. If I get reception I'll put in
the time and effort to understand what I'm doing. Thanks again. I'll
let you know if I succeed.

I never even considered leaving the radio here in my apartment. You
can't just stick the antenna out an open window and expect to get
results, right, or can you . . ?

Rick Bryan
New York, NY

An antenna out the window will do wonders. With a Radio Shack DX 398 and its
rollup antenna I am able to pick up many major SW stations.

The rollup extends to 23 feet to the nearest support -- in my case a palm
tree.

A wire would do just as well.

--
Lamont Cranston

The Shadow Knows
"Corwin, Prince of Amber" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 06:01:20 GMT, "Corwin, Prince of Amber"
wrote:

All right. I get the idea. Thanks. My radio is up at my house in
the Pocono Mountains, PA, not where I live here in NYC, so I suppose
I'll buy an antenna (good grief, not I've got to figure *that* out!)
and see if I can hear anyone talking. If I get reception I'll put in
the time and effort to understand what I'm doing. Thanks again. I'll
let you know if I succeed.

I never even considered leaving the radio here in my apartment. You
can't just stick the antenna out an open window and expect to get
results, right, or can you . . ?

Rick Bryan
New York, NY

"Corwin, Prince of Amber" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 06:01:20 GMT, "Corwin, Prince of Amber"
wrote:

All right. I get the idea. Thanks. My radio is up at my house in
the Pocono Mountains, PA, not where I live here in NYC, so I suppose
I'll buy an antenna (good grief, not I've got to figure *that* out!)
and see if I can hear anyone talking. If I get reception I'll put in
the time and effort to understand what I'm doing. Thanks again. I'll
let you know if I succeed.

I never even considered leaving the radio here in my apartment. You
can't just stick the antenna out an open window and expect to get
results, right, or can you . . ?

Absolutly you can.

In article , "coustanis"
writes:

Subject: Excuse me. Do you *really* need a license?
From: "coustanis"
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 21:15:08 -0400


"Corwin, Prince of Amber" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 06:01:20 GMT, "Corwin, Prince of Amber"
wrote:

All right. I get the idea. Thanks. My radio is up at my house in
the Pocono Mountains, PA, not where I live here in NYC, so I suppose
I'll buy an antenna (good grief, not I've got to figure *that* out!)
and see if I can hear anyone talking. If I get reception I'll put in
the time and effort to understand what I'm doing. Thanks again. I'll
let you know if I succeed.

I never even considered leaving the radio here in my apartment. You
can't just stick the antenna out an open window and expect to get
results, right, or can you . . ?

Absolutly you can.


Stealth Apartment Antenna design & construction procedures..
__________________________________________________ ______

MATERIALS

Some Stranded, Insulated copper wire from Radio shack
Colors so it matches the bricks / outside of your building

Some stick-on Cord holders
One tube clear Silicone sealer glue
One black magic marker

A roll of Duct tape color of outside of apt.

One Mop
One piece of twine or string.
One Small soft edged weight.

PROCEDU

See how far it is in between two windows of your Apt..

Measure out a piece of string this distance + ~ 6 - 8 feet.
Attach a small soft edged weight to it.

( Look Outside to see no one is looking !! )

Secure curious household pets

Open Both Windows.
Insert mop part way out one]
Close that window to secure mop handle

Run over to the other window QUICK!
Take the twine with the weight on it & (without risking life & limb)
Toss the string over the mop sticking out the other window.
Secure the end of that end of the string with a bit of slack
Close that window
Run over to the other window with the mop that has the twine handing down off
it

Pull the mop in
Close the window.

( Breath deeply )

NOW....

Attach the stranded wire to the end of the string.
Slightly open window
Run over to the oher window.
Open it & pull in string until wire / string connection is through..

Pull in enough so that wire will reach SWR
Attach wire to SWR.
Close window.

- That's basically it. Modify as needed.

You can take Square stick -on cord holders
Camouflage them with magic Marker color , &
Silicone glue them to the outside corners of the window,
Then loop more wire

( DONT FALL OUT WHEN DOING THIS !!)

around the cord holders. This makes the antenna longer.
repeat for other windows..This should help lots..

( Works for me !!)