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KK4TL wrote:
ospam (Michael Bryant) wrote ... Any clear-thinking individual would agree that many American soldiers did indeed carry out atrocities in VN. Ok professor. You're on. I'm a clear-thinking individual and I will NOT agree to your proposal here. How many is "many"? Ok there was My Lai. Rattle off a few others. And demonstrate your meaning of "many". A hundred? A thousand? Ten thousand? Granted one is too many. But how many is "many" ? You can start with a quick search for "Tiger Force", or 'Vietnam +"necklace of ears"': "Sergeant Forrest Miller told Army investigators the killing of prisoners was "an unwritten law." Other soldiers said they sought revenge in the villages after unit members were killed and injured during sniper and grenade attacks. Soldiers often cited conflicting views of commanders as a reason they killed unarmed people. Some commanders told investigators that civilians could be targeted in certain circumstances; others said they could never be attacked. During the Army's investigation, 27 soldiers said severing ears from dead Vietnamese became routine. "There was a period when just about everyone had a necklace of ears," former platoon medic Larry Cottingham told investigators. The atrocities carried out by the unit came just months before the killing of about 500 Vietnamese civilians by an Army unit in 1968 at My Lai." -- Mike NAR #70953 - Sr/HPR Level-1 ~ BEMRC - NAR Section #627 NO Junk Email, please! Real email to: amphoto [at] blarg [dot] net. WANTED: Experienced Kamikaze Pilot |
Michael Bryant wrote: From: (KK4TL) (Michael Bryant) wrote ... Any clear-thinking individual would agree that many American soldiers did indeed carry out atrocities in VN. Ok professor. You're on. I'm a clear-thinking individual and I will NOT agree to your proposal here. How many is "many"? Ok there was My Lai. Rattle off a few others. And demonstrate your meaning of "many". A hundred? A thousand? Ten thousand? Granted one is too many. But how many is "many" ? Hundreds of different accounts exist regarding the atrocities committed by US soldiers in VN. Including over 100 "fragging" investigations conducted by the Pentagon. There's a reason why most VN villagers supported the VC over US troops. But, let me be clear: the vast majority of US troops were just kids thrown into an unwinnable situation. They were not evil. Their leaders let them down. The war was a horrible mistake and resulted in the largest embarrassment that our military ever faced. Amen and amen, professor. Agreed. No doubt about it. Will we ever know what precipitated it? Oh yeah .. they told us we were there to stop communism. Right. It didn't do a lot to stop communism, but a lot of large corporations made a lot of pesos off the war, didn't they? I even heard .. that the Johnson family owned a transport company that was shipping the war supplies. Yep, Lyndon "I'll go to war myself before I send someone else's son to war" Johnson. Those Johnsons. Well, gee, when have I ever defended LBJ? Kennedy, LBJ and Nixon were all deluded and misled by defense advisors. Kissinger and McNamara were serious offenders. And we thought only republicans were involved in big business and war mongering. Nope. Never said that. Proving that GREED is a bi-partisan quality. Yes? Agreed. Now explain how our agreement disproves that both Republicans and Democrats made bad decisions in VN. And you always drift. Even if LBJ and the Demos shared responsibility for VN, how does that refute anything Kerry had to say about VN. Kerry spoke the truth. I respect that in someone who I intend to vote for. WOW! The truth means something to you? The guy who lied about having a PhD? The guy who called me on the phone telling me how he'd been fired from Louisville Technical Institute? ( a proven lie by the way). You're your own little circus, aren't you? dxAce |
Michael Bryant wrote:
Any clear-thinking individual would agree that many American soldiers did indeed carry out atrocities in VN. The war was a horrible mistake and resulted in the largest embarrassment that our military ever faced. It wasn't a war and was never officially declared as such. It was a 'police action'. That made it easier for the taxpayer to swallow until some sixty thousand body bags came home, showing your tax dollars at work. http://www.archives.gov/research_roo...ics.html#state If Bill Gates butchered the above URL, please use: http://snipurl.com/8lrn mike |
KK4TL wrote:
Ok professor. You're on. I'm a clear-thinking individual and I will NOT agree to your proposal here. How many is "many"? Ok there was My Lai. Rattle off a few others. And demonstrate your meaning of "many". A hundred? A thousand? Ten thousand? Granted one is too many. But how many is "many" ? ================================================== == MITCHELL: We have begun hearings today to investigate the military policy used in Vietnam which appears to us to foster war crimes. We are concerned with such schemes as free-fire zones, search and destroy missions, mass resettlement of peasantry and the so-called "bodycount mania." Since the Dept of Defense [DOD] acknowledges the use of these tactics, we wish to illustrate graphically what happens when such tactics are translated into action. Vietnam has been called the ultimate model war of attrition where civilians die by the score for every combat soldier killed. http://members.aol.com/warlibrary/vwch1.htm ================================================== == On October 19, 2003, the Ohio-based newspaper the Toledo Blade launched a four-day series of investigative reports exposing a string of atrocities by an elite, volunteer, 45-man "Tiger Force" unit of the U.S. Army's 101st Airborne Division over the course of seven months in 1967. The Blade goes on to state that in 1971 the Army began a 4.5 year investigation of the alleged torture of prisoners, rapes of civilian women, the mutilation of bodies and killing of anywhere from nine to well over one hundred unarmed civilians, among other acts. The articles further report that the Army's inquiry concluded that 18 U.S. soldiers committed war crimes ranging from murder and assault to dereliction of duty. However, not one of the soldiers, even of those still on active duty at the time of the investigation, was ever court martialed in connection with the heinous crimes. Moreover, six suspected war criminals were allowed to resign from military service during the criminal investigations specifically to avoid prosecution. http://vancouver.indymedia.org/news/2003/11/87856.php ================================================== == Killing men, women, children and cutting up of bodies: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/patrick.guen...nnews/stir.htm ================================================== == Hundreds more of these sites. mike |
m II wrote:
Michael Bryant wrote: Any clear-thinking individual would agree that many American soldiers did indeed carry out atrocities in VN. The war was a horrible mistake and resulted in the largest embarrassment that our military ever faced. It wasn't a war and was never officially declared as such. It was a 'police action'. That made it easier for the taxpayer to swallow until some sixty thousand body bags came home, showing your tax dollars at work. And in actual fact, the only evidence we have that "many American soldiers did indeed carry out atrocities in VN" is from the lies told by Vietnam Veterans Against The War. -- Both Kerry and Edwards announced their candidacy near the beginning of September, 2003, so let's only count votes before then. From January, 2003, to August, 2003, Senator Edwards didn't vote 69 out of 320 opportunities (~22%) and Senator Kerry didn't vote 182 out of 320 opportunities (~57%). http://www.mwilliams.info/archives/001349.php |
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"Michael Bryant" wrote in message ... Maybe that'll play with some Vet groups, but the general American public is smarter than to buy that crap! Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL To bad you were not there to see for yourself!!! Draft Dodging Ass Hole. |
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