On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 03:02 pm -0600 UTC, Jack Painter
posted: %MM



The United States of America is the most powerful country in the world. In
all the countries the United States has sacrificed our men and women to
free from the binds of tyranny, the most land we have ever asked for is
enough land to bury our dead. Some empire.

And free access to their markets. The US also has had the unfortunate
practice of putting into power and propping up repressive dictatorships, to
keep their market share and access to raw materials and commodities. The
world has progressed since WW2, for which everyone was truly grateful for
American help after two years of devestation. But it is hard to sell the
goodness of America based on that to people born 30 or 40 years after it
ended.

What purpose does this bogus thinking serve anyway? It seems to me if
you cannot get your facts straight to begin with any argument you make
is rendered moot. This is a point the liberal nut cases that post here
do not seem to get either. You cannot find an opinion based on no facts
or incorrect information worth the time to read.

Truth can't be allowed to get in the way of a good cry. The Ur-a-Peon's
modus operandus since WW2 has been to whine, whine and whine harder about
everything they can't do better than almost any country that is willing to
work hard. These original "white trash" are watching their countries
breathe the last gasps as free nations. Massive social programs, lowering
and almost elimination of a work ethic, the reduction of national
population from birth control, abortion, and lack of family structure, and
the massive immigration of Muslim immigrants has spelled the final death
toll for Ur-a-Peons. They have done to themselves (utter destruction) what
the United States saved them from at the hands of foreign invaders twice.
How fitting that people who are unwilling and unable to defend themselves
are in deed the cause of their own destruction from within.

Why is the Euro stronger than the US dollar? Europe is expanding the EU,
they are in the midst of the most prosperous period since the 1960's. The
EU is the largest economic block in the world for population and will have
a larger GDP and the US within the decade. They are also allowing people
to be individuals and make free choices versus dictating morality based on
narrow religious or 19th century morality. The future of Europe looks very
bright, with past conflicts on the continent disappearing.

In article ,
uncle arnie wrote:

Unfair to judge RN by a single broadcast. Also unfair to judge them by
America-centric labels such as liberal/conservative.

Snip

Oh please. I listen to them all the time. This just happened to be the
most biased in a while so I had to respond. Usually they are a little
cheeky and circumspect but not this time. I thought the broadcast was
quite arrogant.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 17:02:09 -0400, "Jack Painter"
wrote:

Even when half of our population is made up of
nitwits like them, the core of our freedoms will outlast another few
generations of this garbage. Hopefully by then, Europe will be climbing out
place they are heading and ready for things like fire, the wheel, and small
hand tools, which we will sell them and train them to use again.


Time was when our entire population, except Native Americans,
was made up of the outcasts of Europe.

Same in Australia.

wrote

On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 17:02:09 -0400, "Jack Painter"
wrote:

Even when half of our population is made up of
nitwits like them, the core of our freedoms will outlast another few
generations of this garbage. Hopefully by then, Europe will be climbing
out
place they are heading and ready for things like fire, the wheel, and
small
hand tools, which we will sell them and train them to use again.


Time was when our entire population, except Native Americans,
was made up of the outcasts of Europe.

Wrong my friend. The very best and brightest minds of Europe, principally
England and Scotland, are the movers and shakers that led hard working
entreprenuers and freedom loving men and women willing to risk everything
they had, which was not "nothing" as you allude to, to come to America and
make it the important and successful experiment ever known.

Same in Australia.

Make your argument where it fits, which might be there, not America, please.

Jack

"uncle arnie" wrote

On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 03:02 pm -0600 UTC, Jack Painter
posted: %MM


The United States of America is the most powerful country in the world.
In
all the countries the United States has sacrificed our men and women to
free from the binds of tyranny, the most land we have ever asked for is
enough land to bury our dead. Some empire.

And free access to their markets.

Yes that's right Arnie, thank you. We expect that all nations should have
free access to all markets, and that's one of the most difficult principles
that we struggle to maintain. It benefits all countries and all people when
there is agreement on this.

The US also has had the unfortunate
practice of putting into power and propping up repressive dictatorships,
to
keep their market share and access to raw materials and commodities.

No argument there either, we are no better at nation building than our worst
fears sometimes, because you cannot impose honesty, morality, or pride in
accomplishment of self improvement when it is not there. It either exists in
a country and their people or it doesn't. When it's lacking, as it is all
over the arab world, only a dictator or King who rules like a dictator can
mend the store. That's so sad to admit that most of the world's people are
such non-thinkers, immoral, and incapable of self-preservation that only
when ruled by a dictator can they keep from eating themselves. But it's true
and no exaggeration. So it's no embarassment for the United States to have
propped up dictators or Ayatollahs or Kings, it will continue to happen well
into this century I'm sure. When someday, enough of the world has some basic
education and morality of living without eating their young or those of
their neighbors, then there will be effective nation building possible of
people like the arabs. Until then, it's just a game of keeping their sharp
tools away from them until they can play nice like the rest of the civilized
world. And face it, no United Nations bunch of pansies that the rest of the
whole world could put together could *ever* do what the U.S. and Britain do
for this world. We occassionally have other allies, but none who could match
the ability or commitment of which I speak. This world that tries very hard
to spin itself into the ground without constant attention, and sorry but
Americans do not feel it is our job to do that for you. When we must, it is
becasue it protects *our* interest to do so. We are not making sacrifices
for your benefit to be squandered on socialist ideologies that seek to
destroy the very tenets of our existence. Your freeticket to experiment with
such socialist governments is over on our watch and our paying the way for
you to do it. If you want to self-destruct (again) be our guest. But don't
expect us to care what you think of our hard working countrymen who want
even less to do with you than I could politely describe.

The
world has progressed since WW2, for which everyone was truly grateful for
American help after two years of devestation. But it is hard to sell the
goodness of America based on that to people born 30 or 40 years after it
ended.

Being friends with America never cost any country anything, and benefits
most more than any other friendship could ever provide them. And consider
the history of our enemies.

Why is the Euro stronger than the US dollar? Europe is expanding the EU,
they are in the midst of the most prosperous period since the 1960's. The
EU is the largest economic block in the world for population and will
have
a larger GDP and the US within the decade. They are also allowing people
to be individuals and make free choices versus dictating morality based on
narrow religious or 19th century morality. The future of Europe looks very
bright, with past conflicts on the continent disappearing.

Now I'm having a good laugh at that question. What exactly, is a "Euro"
worth? What backs it up again? Oh, nothing? That's right, it's the paper of
a non-entity, non-country, non-people, non-military capable boundry,
non-ownership of anything, oh yes - it's a make believe world in which
peoples who hate each other and have fought since the beginning of time, all
got together and pretended they could best America (as opposed to *joining*
her, God forbid). Well we'll see how far this experiment goes. Let's just
agree to stay tuned on this one ok Arnie?

Have a nice night,

Jack

In message 0ZcYc.14020$Ka6.5293@okepread03, Jack Painter
writes

snip

And free access to their markets.

Yes that's right Arnie, thank you. We expect that all nations should have
free access to all markets, and that's one of the most difficult principles
that we struggle to maintain. It benefits all countries and all people when
there is agreement on this.

Does it indeed? Think again. If by 'free trade' you mean that the poor
go to the wall then NO. They need help, not having their legs chopped
away.

Look at Del Monte's attempt via the WTO to get the EU to cancel its
support for the subsidy to the Caribbean countries for their banana
crop.

Del Monte and others have 65% of the world market in bananas. The
Caribbean islands have 15% of the EU market in bananas. They have
nothing else except some sugar beet and some tourism.

Cancelling their subsidy is not 'free trade', it's greed.

To many people 'free trade' simply means 'and the devil take the
hindmost'.

Fortunately some have progressed further in their thinking.

Mike
--
M.J.Powell

On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 10:29 pm -0600 UTC, Jack Painter
posted: %MM


"uncle arnie" wrote

On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 03:02 pm -0600 UTC, Jack Painter
posted: %MM


The United States of America is the most powerful country in the world.
In
all the countries the United States has sacrificed our men and women to
free from the binds of tyranny, the most land we have ever asked for is
enough land to bury our dead. Some empire.

And free access to their markets.

Yes that's right Arnie, thank you. We expect that all nations should have
free access to all markets, and that's one of the most difficult
principles that we struggle to maintain. It benefits all countries and all
people when there is agreement on this.

So why does the US continue to lose in the WTO reviews of duties on lumber,
on farm products, on steel? The US likes free trade if they are the
winners. When it finds it ain't, up go the protectionist barriers and
bogus duties.

The US also has had the unfortunate
practice of putting into power and propping up repressive dictatorships,
to
keep their market share and access to raw materials and commodities.

No argument there either, we are no better at nation building than our
worst fears sometimes, because you cannot impose honesty, morality, or
pride in accomplishment of self improvement when it is not there. It
either exists in a country and their people or it doesn't. When it's
lacking, as it is all over the arab world, only a dictator or King who
rules like a dictator can mend the store.

How about over-throwing democracies? How about supporting dictators so that
democratic movements can't get going. Check out the history of Chile, Iran
under the shah, Argentina, Saudi Arabia, Guatemala, many others.

That's so sad to admit that most
of the world's people are such non-thinkers, immoral, and incapable of
self-preservation that only when ruled by a dictator can they keep from
eating themselves. But it's true and no exaggeration. So it's no
embarassment for the United States to have propped up dictators or
Ayatollahs or Kings, it will continue to happen well into this century I'm
sure. When someday, enough of the world has some basic education and
morality of living without eating their young or those of their neighbors,
then there will be effective nation building possible of people like the
arabs. Until then, it's just a game of keeping their sharp tools away from
them until they can play nice like the rest of the civilized world. And
face it, no United Nations bunch of pansies that the rest of the whole
world could put together could *ever* do what the U.S. and Britain do for
this world. We occassionally have other allies, but none who could match
the ability or commitment of which I speak.

You're either incredibly naive or incredibly uninformed. The US does not
show it is interested in nation building, but rather, interested in access
to their markets, caring less about the nature of the gov't. It's about
money, not about ideology, justice or nature of gov't.

This world that tries very
hard to spin itself into the ground without constant attention, and sorry
but Americans do not feel it is our job to do that for you. When we must,
it is becasue it protects *our* interest to do so. We are not making
sacrifices for your benefit to be squandered on socialist ideologies that
seek to destroy the very tenets of our existence. Your freeticket to
experiment with such socialist governments is over on our watch and our
paying the way for you to do it. If you want to self-destruct (again) be
our guest. But don't expect us to care what you think of our hard working
countrymen who want even less to do with you than I could politely
describe.

The
world has progressed since WW2, for which everyone was truly grateful for
American help after two years of devestation. But it is hard to sell the
goodness of America based on that to people born 30 or 40 years after it
ended.

Being friends with America never cost any country anything, and benefits
most more than any other friendship could ever provide them. And consider
the history of our enemies.

Why is the Euro stronger than the US dollar? Europe is expanding the EU,
they are in the midst of the most prosperous period since the 1960's.
The
EU is the largest economic block in the world for population and will
have
a larger GDP and the US within the decade. They are also allowing people
to be individuals and make free choices versus dictating morality based
on narrow religious or 19th century morality. The future of Europe looks
very bright, with past conflicts on the continent disappearing.

Now I'm having a good laugh at that question. What exactly, is a "Euro"
worth?

It will cost you $1.20 to get one Euro as of Friday. The currency has
gained abuot 20% since launch.

What backs it up again?

The countries of the EU back it up. Nearly all of them are using it and
have phased out their national currencies. Apparently the world thinks it
is more valuable that the US $ in terms of it's progress.

Oh, nothing? That's right, it's the paper
of a non-entity, non-country, non-people, non-military capable boundry,
non-ownership of anything, oh yes - it's a make believe world in which
peoples who hate each other and have fought since the beginning of time,
all got together and pretended they could best America (as opposed to
*joining* her, God forbid). Well we'll see how far this experiment goes.
Let's just agree to stay tuned on this one ok Arnie?


The same could have been said of the crazy experiment of any political
union. The US is a good example. Just because the north and south of your
country hated each other enough to go to war 140 years ago, doesn't mean
your country is not viable today. Though I do wonder about the long
shadows of the racial issues, the violence we hear about in many of your
cities, and the increase in non-English speakers in many places in the US,
as all creating tensions.

Have a nice night,

I did. Now watching Olympic closing ceremonies. Nelson Mandela said about
the 100 m race: "10 seconds as adversaries and 16 days as friends".
-Arnie.

Jack

--
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"Noel" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 20:14:01 GMT, Telamon
wrote:

I just listened to their weekly news magazine at 19:00 to 19:30 and
I
think it should have been named "off the deep end." All the liberal
parroting I have been reading in this news group was encompassed by
this
program.

Oh shut to hell up you bleating troll. Not every country in the
world
shares the sort of fascist, goose-stepping, vacuous patriotism
promoting, war-mongering bull**** that seems to be de-rigeur in your
part of the world.

Truly superb. Not only calling somebody -else- a "bleating troll,"
but encompassing every idiotic whine known to civilization in -one-
sentence. A succinct masterpiece.

T. Early wrote:

Truly superb. Not only calling somebody -else- a "bleating troll,"
but encompassing every idiotic whine known to civilization in -one-
sentence. A succinct masterpiece.


It *was* very well done. He even got a shot at dxAce with the 'De
Rigour' bit. It just plain worked on ALL levels.


Bravo!




mike

m II wrote:
Many people claim those parties are one and the same. When Cheney IS
Halliburton the connections lead to talk. How is it possible that the
Vice President's corporation gets to make huge profits from a war that
he himself started?

It's not possible at all. Halliburton is not the VP's corporation. Cheney
wasn't working for Halliburton at the time in question.

Repeating the lie doesn't make it believable.

--
"The truth, which is what elections are all about, is that the tax burden of
the middle class has gone up while the tax burden of the middle class has
gone down." -- John Kerry, August 26, 2004