In article , "Jay"
writes:



Is this stealing someone else's work? I don't think so. It is using whatever
data I can to identify what I'm hearing, and I think this is totally correct
and appropriate for me. Otherwise, what else do you use all the available
data for?

Agree, why NOT use whatever data is available;
- No real sense in reinventing the wheel...

If your star gazing, you use a guide to the planets and stars ,
coordinated for your time, season and latitude.

If you're bird watching, you use a guide; "that looks like a"..
Not a shotgun, bird dog and dissecting tools
:-)


With this method I can do a band scan for each hour of the day and
compile my own logs, which I update twice each Summer and twice each Winter.
If someone states that you are stealing someone else's work unless you
listen to each signal until you hear an ID they are applying their personal
preferences in how to create logs onto everyone else and frankly I don't see
how anyone has the right to do that.

Theres a lot of petty jealousy in the world...

I realize I may get flamed for writing this and that's one of the reasons I
seldom post to this group these days but felt it was necessary to speak my
piece.

Jay

Theres a lot of petty jealousy in the world...

Dan / NYC

Diverd4777 wrote:

Agree, why NOT use whatever data is available;
- No real sense in reinventing the wheel...

I was led to believe all those lists were published just so people COULD
use them in their short wave listening. Making life easier for your
fellow man...it costs so little..sniff...


mike (the selfless) II

On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 21:54:29 GMT, Telamon
wrote:

Best case - What you are doing is to tune something in, look it up a
database other people have taken the time to verify and generate then
state you heard that station without identifying them yourself so your
log is worthless.

Why is that worthless?

Kameron Spesial wrote:

On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 21:54:29 GMT, Telamon
wrote:

Best case - What you are doing is to tune something in, look it up a
database other people have taken the time to verify and generate then
state you heard that station without identifying them yourself so your
log is worthless.

Why is that worthless?

Why, because he has no real idea whether it is that station or not. It's
called 'list-logging'., a bad hobby practice.

dxAce

I kind of agrtee with DX Ac on this one. listening for only two inutes
dosn't always give you a correcr i.d even if you actually heard a i.d.

such as a statin being relayed. as a made-up example HCJB Quito,
Ecuador being relayed over WCRB Okechobee Florida or WMLD Maryland.

and to make matters even more confusion, one of my local tv stations
constajntly I.D.'ed in a way that made them look like they were actually
the other tv station in town!!!!

they did own both tv stations in town. WOIO 19 and WUAB 43. showing
different programming. 19 is CBS. 43 is UPN.

43 identified with "WOIO-TV 19 Shaker Heights-Cleveland" in big printed
letters taking up almost the whole screen followed by "WUAB-TV 43
Lorain-Cleveland" in really tiny print so tiny that you couldn't really
see it on a 20 inch tv unless you were right up at the screen, and even
then, you really needed a magnifying glass.

Is that way of giving "station identification" legal?

I kind of agrtee with DX Ac on this one. listening for only two inutes
dosn't always give you a correcr i.d even if you actually heard a i.d.

such as a statin being relayed. as a made-up example HCJB Quito,
Ecuador being relayed over WCRB Okechobee Florida or WMLD Maryland.

and to make matters even more confusion, one of my local tv stations
constajntly I.D.'ed in a way that made them look like they were actually
the other tv station in town!!!!

they did own both tv stations in town. WOIO 19 and WUAB 43. showing
different programming. 19 is CBS. 43 is UPN.

43 identified with "WOIO-TV 19 Shaker Heights-Cleveland" in big printed
letters taking up almost the whole screen followed by "WUAB-TV 43
Lorain-Cleveland" in really tiny print so tiny that you couldn't really
see it on a 20 inch tv unless you were right up at the screen, and even
then, you really needed a magnifying glass.

Is that way of giving "station identification" legal?

From: Kameron Spesial

Telamon
wrote:

Best case - What you are doing is to tune something in, look it up a
database other people have taken the time to verify and generate then
state you heard that station without identifying them yourself so your
log is worthless.

Why is that worthless?

I've been in the hobby coming up on 40 years. In my years in high school and
college I studied a slew of languages. The first thing I do is try to identify
the language or language group. Then I use several databases, including HFCC,
ILG, EiBi to make an educated guess. Then I listen up to three or minutes
usually, until I can pick up on what's being talked about. Not really that
difficult. I never claimed any of this stuff to be DX info. I'm just listing
what I'm hearing. Anyone with a radio with an external antenna ought to be able
to confirm any list I provide.

But ignore Telamon. He's a COMPLETE off-the-wall loon. Is he STILL making
constant delusions about me not even having a radio?

That's why he was one of the first to go into the killfile. This NG is much
more enjoyable without seeing their posts. It would be better still, if you
didn't re-post their attempts to try to lure me into fighting with them.

Radio can be fun.


Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A,
Degen 1102, Degen 1103, GE SRll,
Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
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Michael Bryant wrote:

From: Kameron Spesial

Telamon
wrote:

Best case - What you are doing is to tune something in, look it up a
database other people have taken the time to verify and generate then
state you heard that station without identifying them yourself so your
log is worthless.

Why is that worthless?

I've been in the hobby coming up on 40 years.

Yeah, and you still don't know the difference between Malaysia and Indonesia.

In my years in high school and
college I studied a slew of languages.

Sure you did.



The first thing I do is try to identify
the language or language group.

No you don't, you look at the list.

Then I use several databases, including HFCC,
ILG, EiBi to make an educated guess. Then I listen up to three or minutes
usually, until I can pick up on what's being talked about.

But your logs don't indicate that you are listening that long.

Not really that
difficult.

List-logging never is.

I never claimed any of this stuff to be DX info.

Nobody said it was.

I'm just listing
what I'm hearing.

No, you're listing what is on the list.

Anyone with a radio with an external antenna ought to be able
to confirm any list I provide.

You're lucky at the moment, but like all list loggers, someday you'll really screw
up, they all do. If you've been in the hobby for almost 40 years, surely you'd be
aware of that.

dxAce



But ignore Telamon. He's a COMPLETE off-the-wall loon. Is he STILL making
constant delusions about me not even having a radio?

That's why he was one of the first to go into the killfile. This NG is much
more enjoyable without seeing their posts. It would be better still, if you
didn't re-post their attempts to try to lure me into fighting with them.

Radio can be fun.

Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A,
Degen 1102, Degen 1103, GE SRll,
Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nospam" to reply)

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

snip

You're lucky at the moment, but like all list loggers, someday you'll
really screw
up, they all do. If you've been in the hobby for almost 40 years, surely
you'd be
aware of that.

Just what exactly is a list logger?

On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 19:23:14 -0400, dxAce wrote:



Michael Bryant wrote:

From: Kameron Spesial

Telamon
wrote:

Best case - What you are doing is to tune something in, look it up a
database other people have taken the time to verify and generate then
state you heard that station without identifying them yourself so your
log is worthless.

Why is that worthless?

I've been in the hobby coming up on 40 years.

Yeah, and you still don't know the difference between Malaysia and Indonesia.

In my years in high school and
college I studied a slew of languages.

Sure you did.



The first thing I do is try to identify
the language or language group.

No you don't, you look at the list.

Then I use several databases, including HFCC,
ILG, EiBi to make an educated guess. Then I listen up to three or minutes
usually, until I can pick up on what's being talked about.

But your logs don't indicate that you are listening that long.

Not really that
difficult.

List-logging never is.

I never claimed any of this stuff to be DX info.

Nobody said it was.

I'm just listing
what I'm hearing.

No, you're listing what is on the list.

Anyone with a radio with an external antenna ought to be able
to confirm any list I provide.

You're lucky at the moment, but like all list loggers, someday you'll really screw
up, they all do. If you've been in the hobby for almost 40 years, surely you'd be
aware of that.

dxAce



But ignore Telamon. He's a COMPLETE off-the-wall loon. Is he STILL making
constant delusions about me not even having a radio?

That's why he was one of the first to go into the killfile. This NG is much
more enjoyable without seeing their posts. It would be better still, if you
didn't re-post their attempts to try to lure me into fighting with them.

Radio can be fun.

Michael Bryant, WA4009SWL
Louisville, KY
R75, S800, RX320, SW77, ICF2010K,
DX398, 7600G, 6800W, RF2200, 7600A,
Degen 1102, Degen 1103, GE SRll,
Pro-2006, Pro-2010, Pro-76
(remove "nospam" to reply)

I'd have to agree with this Mike guy in this case - seams reasonable
enough. And dxAce - you seem a little hostile - even irrational.
I've noticed that in a few of your political posts. Are you teasing
MB? Anyway, this group has been a real help to me - thanks.