In article vJ50d.78871$yh.53924@fed1read05, "bigdawg9"
writes:

Subject: '60 Minutes' Documents on Bush Might Be Fake
From: "bigdawg9"
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:29:37 -0700


"Art Vandolay" wrote in message
t...
It is strange 60 minutes won't run story on the Swift Vets but continues
to
hammer the anti-Bush stories. Can you say "another example of media
bias?"

So you would feel better if they ran more stories showing the swift boat
liars are a bunch
of disgruntled texas republicans doing Karl Rove's dirty work?...For that is
the TRUTH...Art.

BD

Agree;
and It would be interesting to have, as the camera rolls, a good reporter
dissect their stories,
get them to talk about their feelings of jealousy, the process of prepping for
filmings, and discuss compensation they received for their
doing Karl Rove's dirty work..
detail byt detail

"Diverd4777" wrote in message
...
In article vJ50d.78871$yh.53924@fed1read05, "bigdawg9"

writes:

Subject: '60 Minutes' Documents on Bush Might Be Fake
From: "bigdawg9"
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:29:37 -0700


"Art Vandolay" wrote in
message
t...
It is strange 60 minutes won't run story on the Swift Vets but
continues
to
hammer the anti-Bush stories. Can you say "another example of
media
bias?"

So you would feel better if they ran more stories showing the swift
boat
liars are a bunch
of disgruntled texas republicans doing Karl Rove's dirty
work?...For that is
the TRUTH...Art.

BD

Agree;
and It would be interesting to have, as the camera rolls, a good
reporter
dissect their stories,
get them to talk about their feelings of jealousy, the process of
prepping for
filmings, and discuss compensation they received for their
doing Karl Rove's dirty work..
detail byt detail

Wow, more unsubstantiated smears. I would've thought you'd run out by
now...or at least gone back to more posts with poll results in them.
Oh, wait...guess that's a negative on the polls.

Diverd4777 wrote:

In article vJ50d.78871$yh.53924@fed1read05, "bigdawg9"
writes:

Subject: '60 Minutes' Documents on Bush Might Be Fake
From: "bigdawg9"
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:29:37 -0700


"Art Vandolay" wrote in message
t...
It is strange 60 minutes won't run story on the Swift Vets but continues
to
hammer the anti-Bush stories. Can you say "another example of media
bias?"

So you would feel better if they ran more stories showing the swift boat
liars are a bunch
of disgruntled texas republicans doing Karl Rove's dirty work?...For that is
the TRUTH...Art.

BD

Agree;
and It would be interesting to have, as the camera rolls, a good reporter
dissect their stories,
get them to talk about their feelings of jealousy, the process of prepping for
filmings, and discuss compensation they received for their
doing Karl Rove's dirty work..
detail byt detail

Hmmmmmm... are Kerry's Swift Boat pals being compensated? Have their stories been
dissected? Have they been prepped for appearances or filmings?

Something to think about.

dxAce

"llortamai" wrote:
32-year-old documents produced Wednesday by CBSNEWS 60 MINS on Bush's guard
service may have been forged ...

And you MIGHT not be a 37 year old virgin ... dream on.

In article ,
(Retarded Death Row Inmates 4 Bush) writes:

Subject: '60 Minutes' Documents on Bush Might Be Fake
From: (Retarded Death Row Inmates 4 Bush)
Date: 9 Sep 2004 16:56:06 -0700

"llortamai" wrote:
32-year-old documents produced Wednesday by CBSNEWS 60 MINS on Bush's guard

service may have been forged ...

And you MIGHT not be a 37 year old virgin ... dream on.


When they came out with the IBM selectric, they also came out wit all sorts of
fonts on the different " Golf Balls that had the characters..
One was just script, so it looked like a neatly hand written letter;
If you look at the " th" in " Report to the 11th FIS" the th seems to takes up
one space;
- IMHO, probably an extra character on the top row..

"Retarded Death Row Inmates 4 Bush" wrote in message
om...
dream on.

You wish you could dream it was false, but the articles keep coming. Here's
another one.

http://weeklystandard.com/Utilities/...96&R=9FCD2F192

Is It a Hoax?
Experts weigh in on the 60 Minutes documents. Says one: "I'm a Kerry
supporter myself, but . . . I'm 99% sure that these documents were not
produced in the early 1970s."
by Stephen F. Hayes
09/09/2004 7:20:00 PM





DOCUMENTS CITED Wednesday by 60 Minutes in a widely-publicized
expose of George W. Bush's National Guard Service are very likely forgeries,
according to several experts on document authenticity and typography. The
documents--four memos from Killian to himself or his files written in 1972
and 1973--appear to indicate that Bush refused or ignored orders to have a
physical exam required to continue flying. CBS News anchor Dan Rather
reported the segment and sourced the documents this way: "60 Minutes has
obtained a number of documents we are told were taken from Col. Killian's
personal file," he said. The 60 Minutes story served as the basis for
follow-up news reports for dozens of news organizations across the country.
The memos were almost immediately questioned in the blog world, with blog
Power Line leading the charge.

And according to several forensic document experts contacted by
THE WEEKLY STANDARD say the Killian memos appear to be forgeries. Although
it is nearly impossible to establish with certainty the authenticity of
documents without a careful examination of the originals, several
irregularities in the Killian memos suggest that CBS may have been the
victim of a hoax.

"These sure look like forgeries," says William Flynn, a forensic
document expert widely considered the nation's top analyst of
computer-generated documents. Flynn looked at copies of the documents posted
on the CBS News website (here, here, here, and here). Flynn says, "I would
say it looks very likely that these documents could not have existed" in the
early 1970s, when they were allegedly written.

Several other experts agree. "They look mighty suspicious," says
a veteran forensic document expert who asked not to be quoted by name.
Richard Polt, a Xavier University philosophy professor who operates a
website dedicated to typewriters, says that while he is not an expert on
typesetting, the documents "look like typical word-processed documents."

There are several reasons these experts are skeptical of the
authenticity of the Killian memos. First the typographic spacing is
proportional, as is routine with professional typesetting and computer
typography, not monospace, as was common in typewriters in the 1970s. (In
proportional type, thin letters like "i" and "l" are spaced closer together
than thick letters like "W" and "M". In monospace, all the letter widths are
the same.)

Second, the font appears to be identical to the Times New Roman
font that is the default typeface in Microsoft Word and other modern word
processing programs. According to Flynn, the font is not listed in the Haas
Atlas--the definitive encyclopedia of typewriter type fonts.

Third, the apostrophes are curlicues of the sort produced by
word processors on personal computers, not the straight vertical hashmarks
typical of typewriters. Finally, in some references to Bush's unit--the
111thFighter Interceptor Squadron--the "th" is a superscript in a smaller
size than the other type. Again, this is typical (and often done
automatically) in modern word processing programs. Although several experts
allow that such a rendering might have been theoretically possible in the
early 1970s, it would have been highly unlikely. Superscripts produced on
typewriters--the numbers preceding footnotes in term papers, for
example--were almost always in the same size as the regular type.

So can we say with absolute certainty that the documents were
forged? Not yet. Xavier University's Polt, in an email, offers two possible
scenarios. "Either these are later transcriptions of earlier documents
(which may have been handwritten or typed on a typewriter), or they are
crude and amazingly foolish forgeries. I'm a Kerry supporter myself, but I
won't let that cloud my objective judgment: I'm 99% sure that these
documents were not produced in the early 1970s."

Says Flynn: "This looks pretty much like a hoax at this point in
time."

CBS, in a statement Thursday afternoon, said it stands by the
story. The network claims that its own document expert concluded the memos
were authentic. There are several things CBS could do to clear up any
confusion:

(1) Provide the name of the expert who authenticated the
documents for Sixty Minutes.

(2) Provide the original documents to outside experts--William
Flynn, Gerald Reynolds, and Peter Tytell seem to be the consensus top three
in the United States--for further analysis.

(3) Provide more information on the source of the documents.

(A spokeswoman for CBS, Kelly Edwards, said she was overwhelmed
with phone calls and did not respond to specific requests for comment.)

"Granger" wrote in message
news:WF10d.136482$4o.10407@fed1read01...
Ya right!

It doesn't mean the original documents were fakes. The original documents
after 32 years probably were faded, discolored and not legible. They were
almost certainly reproduced using a Microsoft spread sheet in order to make
them more legible. I see no problem with this. I would however like to see
the originals. I have searched the CBS website and their archives, but I
haven't been able to locate anything on this. Maybe, someone has an address.
I have a $100.00 bet that they are genuine.

JB

"llortamai" wrote in message
...
http://www.drudgereport.com/

32-year-old documents produced Wednesday by CBSNEWS 60 MINS on Bush's
guard
service may have been forged using a current word processing program.

typed using a proportional font, not common at that time, and they used
a
superscript font feature found in today's Microsoft Word program,
Internet
reports claim... Developing...

"llortamai" wrote in message ...
http://www.drudgereport.com/


Drudge Report... There's a reliable source!

Next he'll be reporting the 9/11 Report was a forgery because it was
published by W.W. Norton.


Conservatives hate Americans.

From: "-=jd=-"
Organization: Little... If any...
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Date: 10 Sep 2004 02:12:45 GMT
Subject: '60 Minutes' Documents on Bush Might Be Fake

On Thu 09 Sep 2004 08:56:46p, "llortamai"
wrote in message :

"Retarded Death Row Inmates 4 Bush" wrote in
message om...
dream on.

You wish you could dream it was false, but the articles keep coming.
Here's another one.

http://weeklystandard.com/Utilities/...idArticle=4596
&R=9FCD2F192

Is It a Hoax?
Experts weigh in on the 60 Minutes documents. Says one: "I'm a Kerry
supporter myself, but . . . I'm 99% sure that these documents were not
produced in the early 1970s."
by Stephen F. Hayes
09/09/2004 7:20:00 PM

{snippage}


I wouldn't be surprised to find that 60 Minutes cast some lines about,
offering to pay for similar information and by doing so, set themselves up
for getting "werked"!

If they turn out to be forged, it would be a further indication that 60
minutes was willing to take the info and run without validating it.

Here's a suggested topic for a 60 Minutes expose on their own stafers:
Blinded by Bias!

-=jd=-
--
My Current Disposable Email:

(Remove YOUR HAT to reply directly)

How does that explain the White House releasing the same documents after 60
Minutes aired them? Did the White House fake another set of papers to make
dubbya look bad?

Greg (I heard it on the radio)

BTW - Drudge is often right. He has very good sources. He is also often
wrong. And he's a salacious gossip monger. Visiting his web site can turn
your brains to mush.

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In article vJ50d.78871$yh.53924@fed1read05, "bigdawg9"
writes:

Subject: '60 Minutes' Documents on Bush Might Be Fake From:
"bigdawg9" Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:29:37 -0700


"Art Vandolay" wrote in
message ... It
is strange 60 minutes won't run story on the Swift Vets but
continues to hammer the anti-Bush stories. Can you say "another
example of media bias?"

So you would feel better if they ran more stories showing the swift
boat liars are a bunch of disgruntled texas republicans doing Karl
Rove's dirty work?...For that is the TRUTH...Art.

BD

Agree; and It would be interesting to have, as the camera rolls, a
good reporter dissect their stories, get them to talk about their
feelings of jealousy, the process of prepping for filmings, and
discuss compensation they received for their doing Karl Rove's dirty
work.. detail byt detail

Go buy the book. It is all documented. They even provide time lines of
events. The book even has FBI reports on Kerry's antiwar activities.
Remember that the real problem the people have that served with Kerry
was what he did upon his return from Vietnam and most of that is on tape.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California