Michael Bryant blathered again and wrote:


In fact, they've been around since the forties.

You want to name the typewriters that had proportional fonts in the fories?

http://www-1.ibm.com/ibm/history/history/year_1941.html

A web of unashamed lies is unraveling at a very opportune moment. SMELL the
desperation!

That's what we smell when we smell you, or maybe it just plain BO.

Telamon wrote:

In article ,
ospam (Michael Bryant) wrote:

Snip

A web of unashamed lies is unraveling at a very opportune moment. SMELL the
desperation!


Smells just like Cheetos. Maybe if you wash your hands the smell will go
away.

Either that or use toilet paper instead of you finger when you wipe.

Paolo Pizzi wrote:

llortamai wrote:

http://www.drudgereport.com/

32-year-old documents produced Wednesday by CBSNEWS 60 MINS on Bush's
guard service may have been forged using a current word processing
program.

typed using a proportional font, not common at that time, and they
used a superscript font feature found in today's Microsoft Word
program, Internet reports claim... Developing...


Developing? Actually already DEBUNKED!!!

Electric ball typewriters could do that, and the US government
had lots of them.

BZZZZTTT!!! Wrong! The Selectric could not do proportional spacing. I
worked for IBM and worked on the Selectric units that were use as the
output device for the System 360 mainframe console. You haven't a clue
about which you speak.

Greg wrote:
snip
How does that explain the White House releasing the same documents after 60
Minutes aired them? Did the White House fake another set of papers to make
dubbya look bad?


CBS faxed the documents to the White House on the day of the broadcast.
The White House released copies of the faxes CBS sent them.

"Telamon" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Paolo Pizzi" wrote:

Greg wrote:

BTW - Drudge is often right.

Suuuuuuuuuuure, that's the guy who photomontaged Kerry
besides Jane Fonda. ****ing neofascist slimebag liar!!

Kerry was there.

The photo was a fake.

Sir Cumference wrote:

Electric ball typewriters could do that, and the US government
had lots of them.


BZZZZTTT!!! Wrong! The Selectric could not do proportional spacing. I
worked for IBM and worked on the Selectric units that were use as the
output device for the System 360 mainframe console. You haven't a clue
about which you speak.



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Composing typewriters


Derogatorily called "Strike-on" composition, the composing typewriter
was used for camera-ready copy in the quick-print business, in academic
publishing, and small weeklies, where cost and turn-around were the
driving factors. The best were capable of proportional spacing,
justification, and handling multiple fonts. The familiar IBM Executive
and Selectric can be considered to be in the low-end of this family; the
IBM Composing Selectric was a computer-driven, auto-justifying, high-end
system.

* Friden Justowriters (2)
* Varitypers (2) with 60 fonts
* Densmore
* Underwood
* L.C.Smith
* NCR
* IBM Composing Selectric (4) (w/o computer or tape units, but w/
multiple type balls)
* other

http://www.museumofprinting.com/inventory/invty.html


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Michael Bryant wrote:

Regarding the charge that the fonts prove the documents are fake:

BZZZZT! Try again. The White House distributed the memos ...


The White House got them from CBS.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5952048/

... and didn't question their authenticity is well taken. As for the font not
being available in the 70s, the claim is that proportional fonts were not
available until the seventies.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics....%5Carchive%5C2
00409%5CPOL20040909d.html

In fact, they've been around since the forties.


Actually, proportional fonts were available in the 30's - but they
weren't common. But the documents in question aren't just proportional,
they're kerned, and they have superscripts with fractional height
letters. That's not a typewriter or vintage word processor. It's
typeset.

Someone said he keyed in one of the documents in Microsoft Word, printed
it out, scanned it in as a graphic and superimposed it on top of the
same document from CBS, and they lined up exactly. Horizontally and
vertically.

This means the default Microsoft Word kerning and line spacing rules
with the default font are identical to the ones used to prepare the
document. For every letter pair, in every line. That's incredible.

But an easy way to get a very strong indication of the validity of the
documents is to get other memos from the same guy that are known to be
real, from the same time frame, and see what they look like.

My guess is they'll look pretty crude compared to the questioned
documents.




http://www-1.ibm.com/ibm/history/history/year_1941.html

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desperation!


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Telamon wrote:
In article ,
"Paolo Pizzi" wrote:

Greg wrote:

BTW - Drudge is often right.

Suuuuuuuuuuure, that's the guy who photomontaged Kerry
besides Jane Fonda. ****ing neofascist slimebag liar!!

Kerry was there.

The photo was PROVEN a forgery. Period.
Drudge is a scumbag liar.

Paolo Pizzi wrote:

Telamon wrote:
In article ,
"Paolo Pizzi" wrote:

Greg wrote:

BTW - Drudge is often right.

Suuuuuuuuuuure, that's the guy who photomontaged Kerry
besides Jane Fonda. ****ing neofascist slimebag liar!!

Kerry was there.

The photo was PROVEN a forgery. Period.
Drudge is a scumbag liar.

Yes, there was a forged photo, there was also a real photo. Drudge was not
resposible for the forged photo.

Kerry did appear at the same rally as Fonda. Period.

dxAce

Michael Bryant wrote:

Regarding the charge that the fonts prove the documents are fake:

BZZZZT! Try again. The White House distributed the memos ...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5952048/

... and didn't question their authenticity is well taken. As for the font not
being available in the 70s, the claim is that proportional fonts were not
available until the seventies.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics....%5Carchive%5C2
00409%5CPOL20040909d.html

In fact, they've been around since the forties.

http://www-1.ibm.com/ibm/history/history/year_1941.html

A web of unashamed lies is unraveling at a very opportune moment. SMELL the
desperation!

I sure can, and liberal democrats sure do stink. Take a bath, Fat Boy.

Your colleagues at Louisville Technical Institute would appreciate it.

dxAce



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