"Mark S. Holden" wrote in message ...
Dwight Stewart wrote:

"-=jd=-" wrote:

Convincing anyone is none of my concern,
but I do reserve the right to wonder aloud
how a reasonable and prudent person
would ignore the mounting list of indicators
pointing to obvious forgeries. (snip)

Then I trust you won't mind if I reserve the right to wonder aloud why you
are so determined to establish, and publically declare, these documents to
be forgeries.


Possibly because they are fake?

Would you like voters to rely on forged documents when deciding who to vote for?

I think the fact someone apparently faked them is more significant than what they say.

The allegations about GWB are old - people have had close to 4 years to evaluate how he performs as President. You may or may not like what he's done, but it has more to do with how he will perform if he is re elected than what he may or may not have
done over 30 years ago.


What's new about these memos is that state that Bush's superior
officers were aware that Bush was performing unsatisfactorily, that
they were being pressured to let Bush slide through and that they were
expected to falsify Bush's records.

Those who worked with the memos' author, Killian, are saying that
while the memos may not be authentic, what they say is accurate.
Killian's secretary is saying that she did type memos for Killian that
said the same things that these memos are saying. Killian's immediate
superior officer has said that Killian expressed the same thoughts to
him that are in the memos.

I think that's the story. Why were they being pressured? Who was
pressuring them? We know from the memos that Lt. Colonel Staudt was
pressuring them. Was anybody pressuring Staudt? What do we know,
what isn't disputed, of Bush's stint in the TANG?

Staudt, as Bush's unit commander in 1968 staged a special ceremony for
the press so he could have his picture taken administering the oath
(after the official oath had been given by a Guard captain earlier.)
Staudt was excited about his VIP recruit, this direct appointment,
because at his staged ceremony, Bush's father, the congressman, was
standing prominently in the background.

The 147th, Col. Staudt's Texas unit, was infamous as a way out of
Vietnam combat for the politically well connected and celebrity draft
avoiders: Both of Sid Adger's sons, Democratic Senator Lloyd Bentsen's
son, Republican Senator John Tower's son, and at least seven players
for the Dallas Cowboys had been signed into the unit.

What made Bush's unfair, favored Guard appointment doubly
reprehensible was his total lack of qualifications. Rapid selection
into the Guard was reserved for applicants with exceptional experience
or skills such as prior Air Force ROTC training, or special
engineering, medical, or aviation skills.

Tom Hail, a historian for the Texas Air National Guard, had reviewed
the Guard's records on Bush for a special exhibit on his service after
Bush became governor. Asked about Bush's direct appointment without
special skills, Hail said, "I've never heard of that. Generally they
did that for doctors only, mostly because we needed extra flight
surgeons."

Charles Shoemaker, an Air Force veteran who later joined the Texas Air
National Guard and retired as a full colonel, said that direct
appointments were rare and hard to get, and required extensive
credentials. Asked about Bush, he said, "His name didn't hurt,
obviously. But it was a commander's decision in those days."

When Bush completed basic training, his commander approved him for a
"direct appointment." That made him a 2nd Lieutenant without having to
go through the usual (very difficult) Officer Candidate School. This
special procedure also got Bush into flight school, despite his very
low scores on aptitude tests: 25% on a pilot aptitude test (the
absolute lowest acceptable grade) and 50% for navigator aptitude. Bush
did score 95% on the easier and subjectively graded officer quality
test, but the class average is generally 88%.

http://www.interventionmag.com/cms/m...icle&sid= 861

In 1968, Bush's father was a newly minted Congressman with a highly
coveted seat on the House Ways & Means Committee. Very unusual for
such an inexperienced congressman to get on that committee. Very
powerful.

Just as a reference point, at the time of those memos (1973), Bush had
left Congress and was named by Nixon to the Chairmanship of the RNC.
This was during the trial for the Watergate plumbers – Deep Throat had
just told Woodward that "lives were in danger."

Staudt retired around 1972 with the rank of Brigadier General. That's
a hefty promotion (2 grades) in such a short time. It's not unheard
of, but it is unusual. It's more likely to happen during wartime, on
the battlefield. Google Staudt - what he was doing right after he
left the Guard raises an eyebrow:

"NEIGHBORHOOD DEVELOPMENT PROGRAM
Walter B. Staudt is Executive Director of the Neighborhood Development
Program, which is In the process of completing a huge drainage project
for the western part of Beeville during the latter part of May this
year (1973). Forty-two city blocks of property are being drained with
storm sewers during heavy rains under this project, and the streets
will be paved after the sewer pipes have been laid.

The NDP also has started building and repairing houses in a plan to
eliminate shacks from the area. One new residence has been completed
and six others have been started at the time of this writing.

This is a Federal Agency, and the total expenditure on the drainage,
paving, and housing program for the fiscal year ending June 30, 1973,
is $1.250,000."

This, and a whole lot more. Read all about it at:

http://www.beeville.net/TheHistorica.../Chapter16.htm

Immediately after leaving the National Guard, Buck Staudt was running
a company that was receiving federal funds to develop an oil and gas
town in Texas.

Was Bucky Staudt laying a retirement nest egg by saving politicians'
sons from having to go to Viet Nam, letting them hide out in his
"Champagne Unit," in exchange for federal funding contracts?

Why else would he be so excited to have Congressman Bush's son in his
unit? This wasn't a rock star. Did he stage redundant swearing in
ceremonies for all of his VIPs' sons? Staudt didn't take in these
VIPs sons, save their asses from having to go to Viet Nam, for
nothing. There's more to this story.

"Isle Of The Dead" wrote:

(snip) seeing as you're all of twenty or twenty-
five years old and know everything.... but
Kerry discredited *himself* by committing
treason (snip)


Well, clearly unlike you, I'm at least old enough to know the legal
definition of the word "treason." Mere words, in a country with a right to
free speech, is never treason. Perhaps you would like to change that, but
that is the law at the moment.

Stewart

"Dan" wrote:

The difference is, Bush is not running
around saying that he is a war hero.


And exactly where did Kerry himself say he is a war hero? I watched the
DNC, just as I watched the RNC, and I don't remember Kerry ever saying the
words "war hero." Of course, perhaps that's just your impression of the show
during the DNC, just as it is my impression of Bush landing on an aircraft
carrier last year with a number of cameras available to film the event for
the evening television news (and his constant efforts to be seen with
military personnel behind him wherever he speaks).


Also, Bush is not running on his Vietnam
record. It was Kerry who tried to make
his Vietnam service the centerpiece of his
campaign, (snip)


Kerry offered his service as a feature of the DNC. However, I don't see
that, his Vietnam service, anywhere on his web site or elsewhere as the
centerpiece of his campaign.


because his Senate record is so bad over
the last 20 years. (snip)


So you don't agree with his Senate record either. Certainly no real
surprise there.

Stewart

"Dwight Stewart" wrote in message
ink.net...


Well, clearly unlike you, I'm at least old enough to know the legal
definition of the word "treason." Mere words, in a country with a right to
free speech, is never treason. Perhaps you would like to change that, but
that is the law at the moment.


Perhaps you'd like to acknowledge that Kerry met with
Vietnamese officials in the Paris peace negotiations.

Oh, yeah, right, you're old enough to know the words,
but not the facts.

"Isle Of The Dead" wrote:

"Dwight Stewart" wrote:
Well, clearly unlike you, I'm at least old
enough to know the legal definition of the
word "treason." Mere words, in a country
with a right to free speech, is never treason.
Perhaps you would like to change that, but
that is the law at the moment.


Perhaps you'd like to acknowledge that Kerry
met with Vietnamese officials in the Paris peace
negotiations. (snip)


Okay. While on a trip to Paris, Kerry briefly met with some of the
participants of the peace talks at a meeting which included members of the
delegations from both North and South Vietnam. Now that I've acknowleged it,
perhaps you can explain how that constitutes treason. At the very most,
meetings like this might be twisted to fit a violation of U.S. Code 18 U.S.C
953 (correspondence with foreign governments), but the FBI, which maintained
surveillance on Kerry at the time (along with so many other Americans),
obviously found no foundation for such charges.

Stewart

"Dan" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 00:59:07 GMT, "Dwight Stewart"
wrote:


"Mark S. Holden" wrote:

The allegations about GWB are old -
people (snip)


I doubt we would even be talking about Bush's military service today if
there had not been almost fanatical attempts to discredit Kerry's
military
service prior to that. But, once those attempts were made to discredit
Kerry's service, there were obviously going to be attempts to look more
closely at Bush's military service during that same time period. And I
think
even you would agree that Bush's military service was rather lackluster.

The difference is, Bush is not running around saying that he is a war
hero. Real war heros are known by everyone - you don't have to run
around claiming to be a "war hero".

But Bush DID lie in his "autobiography" about the facts concerning his guard
service and DID lie when he said he was in the "Air Force." And Bush also
made his service relevant when he called on the Smearboat vets to go after
Kerry.


Kerry is going down, and he's taking Dan Blather with him.

Kerry's going to be elected president and I don't really care what happens
to Dan Rather, although I'm fairly certain that when the dust clears we'll
find Karl Rove's fingerprints all over the documents.

"Dan" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 10:17:14 -0700, "Gandalf Grey"
wrote:

Kerry's going to be elected president and I don't really care what
happens
to Dan Rather, although I'm fairly certain that when the dust clears
we'll
find Karl Rove's fingerprints all over the documents.

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Saved for November 3rd. Will come back to eat your crow?

Noted. And learn to form complete sentences, tard.

"Dan" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:18:37 -0700, "Gandalf Grey"
wrote:

Saved for November 3rd. Will come back to eat your crow?

Noted. And learn to form complete sentences, tard.

Ah, attacking the messenger.

The messenger needs to learn how to form a complete message.

"Dan" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 17:26:00 -0700, "Gandalf Grey"
wrote:


"Dan" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 15:18:37 -0700, "Gandalf Grey"
wrote:

Saved for November 3rd. Will come back to eat your crow?

Noted. And learn to form complete sentences, tard.

Ah, attacking the messenger.

The messenger needs to learn how to form a complete message.

They are complete sentences, even if the second is missing a "you".
At least as complete as "Noted".

"Will come back to eat your crow?" is NOT a grammatically correct sentence,
tard.

Man, that homeschooling you righties subject yourselves to is pathetic.

On 17 Sep 2004 18:38:47 -0500, Dan wrote:

Ah, attacking the messenger. The sure sign that you've lost the
battle.

It's OK - I understand.

Dan


You just described your buddy dxAce. Watch out!