Michael Bryant wrote:

Regarding the charge that the fonts prove the documents are fake:

BZZZZT! Try again. The White House distributed the memos ...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5952048/

... and didn't question their authenticity is well taken. As for the font not
being available in the 70s, the claim is that proportional fonts were not
available until the seventies.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics....%5Carchive%5C2
00409%5CPOL20040909d.html

In fact, they've been around since the forties.

http://www-1.ibm.com/ibm/history/history/year_1941.html

A web of unashamed lies is unraveling at a very opportune moment.

Is that like your lies of having a PhD, getting fired from Louisville Technical
Institute, drug bust while at Weber State, etc, etc., etc?

SMELL the
desperation!

Indeed.

dxAce



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"m II" wrote in message
news:ljb0d.85364$S55.36821@clgrps12...

===================================
Composing typewriters


Derogatorily called "Strike-on" composition, the composing typewriter
was used for camera-ready copy in the quick-print business, in academic
publishing, and small weeklies, where cost and turn-around were the
driving factors. The best were capable of proportional spacing,
justification, and handling multiple fonts. The familiar IBM Executive
and Selectric can be considered to be in the low-end of this family; the
IBM Composing Selectric was a computer-driven, auto-justifying, high-end
system.



OK, and how common was such fancy equipment in bureaucratic orginizations in
which pre-printed forms were expected to be filled out with a typwriter with
fixed spacing?

Frank Dresser

dxAce wrote:

Drudge was not resposible for the forged photo.

ROFL!!

You digital brownshirts are a hoot!!

Michael Bryant wrote:

Regarding the charge that the fonts prove the documents are fake:

BZZZZT! Try again. The White House distributed the memos ...

BZZZZT!! Wrong again mickeyboy, CBS faxed the memos to the White House.
Now go wipe you nose and finish you cookies and milk.

Subject: '60 Minutes' Documents on Bush Might Be Fake
From: Sir Cumference
Date: 9/10/2004 12:15 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

Michael Bryant wrote:

Regarding the charge that the fonts prove the documents are fake:

BZZZZT! Try again. The White House distributed the memos ...

BZZZZT!! Wrong again mickeyboy, CBS faxed the memos to the White House.
Now go wipe you nose and finish you cookies and milk.



LOL!! Why don't you wipe "your" nose and finish "your" cookies and milk.
English and spelling are not your strong point.

Les

Llgpt wrote:

Subject: '60 Minutes' Documents on Bush Might Be Fake
From: Sir Cumference
Date: 9/10/2004 12:15 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

Michael Bryant wrote:

Regarding the charge that the fonts prove the documents are fake:

BZZZZT! Try again. The White House distributed the memos ...

BZZZZT!! Wrong again mickeyboy, CBS faxed the memos to the White House.
Now go wipe you nose and finish you cookies and milk.



LOL!! Why don't you wipe "your" nose and finish "your" cookies and milk.
English and spelling are not your strong point.

But he did get his point across, did he not?

dxAce



Les

Dan wrote:
"Mr. Schnell" Johnie wrote:
It doesn't mean the original documents were fakes. The original documents
after 32 years probably were faded, discolored and not legible. They were
almost certainly reproduced using a Microsoft spread sheet in order to make
them more legible. I see no problem with this.

I see a big problem with this. Such documents are not admissable
evidence. In fact, anything short of direct photocopies is evidence
tampering.

The really big problem is that Microsoft didn't have a spreadsheet program
until after (or at least VERY close to) Killian's death. Microsoft Word
didn't appear until around 1983.

Most likely these documents were made by someone who wasn't alive during
the time Killian was alive.

--
"The Democrats are all over this. Democratic strategists feel John Kerry's
war record means he can beat Bush. They say when it comes down to it, voters
will always vote for a war hero over someone who tried to get out of the war.
I'll be sure to mention that to Bob Dole when I see him." -- Jay Leno

MSH,

FWIW: In the news today the guy's wife is claiming that the
Bush Military Records ?documents? that are attributed to her
dead husband appear to be "FAKES".

* His widow, Marjorie Connell, told ABC News Radio:
"The wording in these documents is very suspect to me.
I just can't believe these are his words."

* "Col Killian's son, Gary Killian, who also served in the
National Guard, said he doubted his father would have written
an unsigned memo which said there was pressure to "sugar coat"
Mr Bush's performance review.

* Rufus Martin, the personnel chief in Col Killian's unit at
the time also said he believed the documents are fake.
"They looked to me like forgeries. I don't think Killian would
do that, and I knew him for 17 years," he said.

* Independent document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines said the
memos appeared to have been written on a computer with Microsoft
Word software.

* Ms Lines, a document expert and fellow of the American Academy
of Forensic Sciences, highlighted a small superscript "th" in
the words "111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron". She said such an
effect was created automatically with Microsoft Word. "I'm
virtually certain these were computer generated," she said.

* Bill Flynn, one of US's top authorities on document
authentication, added: "These documents do not appear to have
been the result of technology that was available in 1972 and 1973."

Source: The Scotsman . Com (UK)
"Bush Vietnam Service Records May Be Fake"
- by Mark Sage, PA News, in New York
http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3480214
- http://www.nydailynews.com/news/poli...p-198189c.html
- http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory...litics/2787324
- http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...9629371.htm?1c
- http://cbsnewyork.com/topstories/top...254080625.html
- http://washingtontimes.com/upi-break...0052-8114r.htm


It Must Be True ! - It's in the New York Times (NYT) via the AP
* Authenticity of Bush Memos Scrutinized
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...Questions.html
* Son of Late Officer Questions Bush Memos
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...ush-Memos.html


DRUDGE REPORT: CBS NEWS executives have launched an internal
investigation into whether its premiere news program 60 MINUTES
aired fabricated documents relating to Bush National Guard service,
the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.
Source= http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Rea...e.asp?ID=15036
"It's the end of the line, I think, for Dan Rather and 60 Minutes."


So... What's the Frequency Dan ?
{ Id' Rather Not say :-}


Just the Facts ~ RHF
..
..
= = = "Mark S. Holden" wrote in message
= = = ...
Michael Bryant wrote:

Regarding the charge that the fonts prove the documents are fake:

BZZZZT! Try again. The White House distributed the memos ...


The White House got them from CBS.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5952048/

... and didn't question their authenticity is well taken. As for the font not
being available in the 70s, the claim is that proportional fonts were not
available until the seventies.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics....%5Carchive%5C2
00409%5CPOL20040909d.html

In fact, they've been around since the forties.


Actually, proportional fonts were available in the 30's - but they
weren't common. But the documents in question aren't just proportional,
they're kerned, and they have superscripts with fractional height
letters. That's not a typewriter or vintage word processor. It's
typeset.

Someone said he keyed in one of the documents in Microsoft Word, printed
it out, scanned it in as a graphic and superimposed it on top of the
same document from CBS, and they lined up exactly. Horizontally and
vertically.

This means the default Microsoft Word kerning and line spacing rules
with the default font are identical to the ones used to prepare the
document. For every letter pair, in every line. That's incredible.

But an easy way to get a very strong indication of the validity of the
documents is to get other memos from the same guy that are known to be
real, from the same time frame, and see what they look like.

My guess is they'll look pretty crude compared to the questioned
documents.




http://www-1.ibm.com/ibm/history/history/year_1941.html

A web of unashamed lies is unraveling at a very opportune moment. SMELL the
desperation!


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..

Hell his "Honorable Discharge" Might be fake as well?



"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
Regarding the charge that the fonts prove the documents are fake:

BZZZZT! Try again. The White House distributed the memos ...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5952048/

... and didn't question their authenticity is well taken. As for the font
not
being available in the 70s, the claim is that proportional fonts were not
available until the seventies.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics....%5Carchive%5C2
00409%5CPOL20040909d.html

In fact, they've been around since the forties.

http://www-1.ibm.com/ibm/history/history/year_1941.html

A web of unashamed lies is unraveling at a very opportune moment. SMELL
the
desperation!


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Louisville, KY
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Just like Steve LIARe's
"Billybob" wrote in message
...
Hell his "Honorable Discharge" Might be fake as well?



"Michael Bryant" wrote in message
...
Regarding the charge that the fonts prove the documents are fake:

BZZZZT! Try again. The White House distributed the memos ...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5952048/

... and didn't question their authenticity is well taken. As for the
font
not
being available in the 70s, the claim is that proportional fonts were
not
available until the seventies.

http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics....%5Carchive%5C2
00409%5CPOL20040909d.html

In fact, they've been around since the forties.

http://www-1.ibm.com/ibm/history/history/year_1941.html

A web of unashamed lies is unraveling at a very opportune moment. SMELL
the
desperation!


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Louisville, KY
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