On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 02:50:54 -0400, starman wrote:

aristotle wrote:

What is the difference between shortwave dxing and swling.

Dx'ing is a particular kind of Swl'ing (shortwave listening). It
involves the pursuit of hard to hear stations, whether they be
international program broadcasters, utility stations (data or voice) or
amateur radio transmissions. All Dx'ers are Swl'ers but the reverse is
not necessarily the case.

You don't think "distance" is the primary concept in DX?


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On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 02:50:54 -0400, starman wrote:
Dx'ing is a particular kind of Swl'ing (shortwave listening). It
involves the pursuit of hard to hear stations, whether they be
international program broadcasters, utility stations (data or voice) or
amateur radio transmissions. All Dx'ers are Swl'ers but the reverse is
not necessarily the case.

You don't think "distance" is the primary concept in DX?

Think about this: what do you do after you've heard a station from
fully half way around the world?

Sometimes DX is DX because it's rare, not necessarily because it's
distant. Don't take the acronym thing too seriously.

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ad before I voted against it."

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:34:46 -0500, clifto wrote:

wrote:
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 02:50:54 -0400, starman wrote:
Dx'ing is a particular kind of Swl'ing (shortwave listening). It
involves the pursuit of hard to hear stations, whether they be
international program broadcasters, utility stations (data or voice) or
amateur radio transmissions. All Dx'ers are Swl'ers but the reverse is
not necessarily the case.

You don't think "distance" is the primary concept in DX?

Think about this: what do you do after you've heard a station from
fully half way around the world?

Sometimes DX is DX because it's rare, not necessarily because it's
distant. Don't take the acronym thing too seriously.

So just change the meaning of the acronym to suit your
purposes, right?

If someone is transmitting from a humdred feet away with a
microwatt power, it's DX? Wake up.

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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:34:46 -0500, clifto wrote:



So just change the meaning of the acronym to suit your
purposes, right?

If someone is transmitting from a humdred feet away with a
microwatt power, it's DX? Wake up.

That's it! Stand up for literalism!! I mean that literally. Get on your
feet and stand up!! Don't back down! Give 'em an inch and they'll take a
mile. And in inch terms, a mile is certainly DX.

Oh, I didn't catch your rant in the last "This is a SHORTWAVE RADIO group"
subthread. If you missed your chance, don't worry. If you miss one off
topic thread, they'll be another one.

Frank Dresser

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On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 17:34:46 -0500, clifto wrote:
Sometimes DX is DX because it's rare, not necessarily because it's
distant. Don't take the acronym thing too seriously.

So just change the meaning of the acronym to suit your
purposes, right?

I'm not the one who changed it. It's changed over time, the way the
rest of the language changes.

Years ago I was calling CQ until I was blue in the face. Finally, someone
returned; his callsign placed him in Guadeloupe. I ran in the kitchen
and asked dad where that was, and when he told me it was in the
Caribbean I was disappointed; "that's not very far." Still, I had a
nice conversation with the guy for a while. Then we signed... and the
20 meter band became completely unusable, because everybody in creation
wanted to work this (then) rare country. That's when other people
explained to me that a station doesn't have to be distant to be DX.

Again, what do you do after you've heard a station from fully halfway
around the world? I've heard Australia loud and clear, easy catch. I've
worked hundreds of Australian hams. Go ahead and tell me that there is
nothing more to the hobby, since I've heard the very farthest stations.

Failing that, feel free to tell me in a brief sound bite what the
essential desirable achievement of the hobby is.

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ad before I voted against it."

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On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 02:50:54 -0400, starman wrote:

aristotle wrote:

What is the difference between shortwave dxing and swling.


If you have a beginner class SWL call sign, such as WA4009SWL, you are only
allowed to listen to the major broadcasters with a strong signal on a
portable receiver without a tuning knob (up and down buttons only).

If you get an advanced class DX call sign, such as IQ0001DX, you are allowed
to start chasing those hard to get stations like Radio Huuhaa from Vyborg,
Russia. However, you're limited to a single receiver with a tuning knob and
cannot mix SWL with DX except on government holidays.

If you get a combination masters class call sign, such as IQ1007SWLDX, you
are allowed to SWL and DX simultaneously, one receiver each. However, one of
the receivers has to be a portable without a sync detector.

If you decide to get no call sign whatsoever, you can do anything you want.

Jari S.

Jari Savolainen wrote:

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On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 02:50:54 -0400, starman wrote:

aristotle wrote:

What is the difference between shortwave dxing and swling.


If you have a beginner class SWL call sign, such as WA4009SWL, you are only
allowed to listen to the major broadcasters with a strong signal on a
portable receiver without a tuning knob (up and down buttons only).

If you get an advanced class DX call sign, such as IQ0001DX, you are allowed
to start chasing those hard to get stations like Radio Huuhaa from Vyborg,
Russia. However, you're limited to a single receiver with a tuning knob and
cannot mix SWL with DX except on government holidays.

If you get a combination masters class call sign, such as IQ1007SWLDX, you
are allowed to SWL and DX simultaneously, one receiver each. However, one of
the receivers has to be a portable without a sync detector.

If you decide to get no call sign whatsoever, you can do anything you want.

Jari S.

I did have one of those callsigns back in the 1960's, it was/is WPE8JSS. That
darn certificate is the only thing I've lost from those beginnining days in
shortwave.

I still have some certificates that Electronics Illustrated offered at the time.

dxAce
Michigan

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

"All DX'ers are SWL'ers"

Not necessarilly. Some Dxers only DX the MW band.

"All DX'ers are SWL'ers"

Not necessarilly. Some Dxers only DX the MW band.

and some like to DX only the LW band.

I dx the mw and sw bands, among others, such as FM and TV back in the
days when we had antennas instead of cable.

aristotle wrote:

What is the difference between shortwave dxing and swling.

If you don't know, then you're not a 'DX'er'. When you do know, then you'll
either be a DX'er or a SWL'er.

That's my best explanation.

dxAce
Michigan