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Old October 11th 04, 08:47 AM
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RHF wrote:

After reading it; and gaining a better understanding of the
'Enabling Act' one has to conclude that the "Patriot Act"
does not have the intent or force of law as the 'Enabling Act'.
To claim such is simply a LIE [.]



We have the benefit of hindsight in the case of Germany. The collective
noses are too close to the Patriot Act to see clearly what it
encompasses. In twenty years we'll have a better view of what it did.
That's if history is still permitted to be read.


Basically the Patriot Act provides for the same Law Enforcement
Tools for the War Against Terrorism as the USofA has used for
years in the War Against Drugs.


Well...now I'm reassured. The war on drugs has been a HUGE success.
Someone once wondered how it was possible to smuggle small nuclear
devices into the country. A wit replied that all the bad guys had to do
was hide them in cocaine shipments. There's a lot of food for thought
there.



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Old October 11th 04, 11:39 AM
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m II wrote:

RHF wrote:

After reading it; and gaining a better understanding of the
'Enabling Act' one has to conclude that the "Patriot Act"
does not have the intent or force of law as the 'Enabling Act'.
To claim such is simply a LIE [.]


We have the benefit of hindsight in the case of Germany. The collective
noses are too close to the Patriot Act to see clearly what it
encompasses. In twenty years we'll have a better view of what it did.
That's if history is still permitted to be read.

Basically the Patriot Act provides for the same Law Enforcement
Tools for the War Against Terrorism as the USofA has used for
years in the War Against Drugs.


Well...now I'm reassured. The war on drugs has been a HUGE success.
Someone once wondered how it was possible to smuggle small nuclear
devices into the country. A wit replied that all the bad guys had to do
was hide them in cocaine shipments. There's a lot of food for thought
there.


Well, they sure wouldn't wish to hide them in leaky, rusty, submarines.

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Old October 11th 04, 03:56 PM
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RHF wrote:

After reading it; and gaining a better understanding of the
'Enabling Act' one has to conclude that the "Patriot Act"
does not have the intent or force of law as the 'Enabling Act'.
To claim such is simply a LIE [.]



We have the benefit of hindsight in the case of Germany. The

collective
noses are too close to the Patriot Act to see clearly what it
encompasses. In twenty years we'll have a better view of what it

did.
That's if history is still permitted to be read.


Well, that's true, but it overlooks at least one salient fact.
Portions of the Patriot Act have -already- failed to survive our
system of checks and balances (i.e., court challenges), something that
I don't believe was ever true in pre-war Germany.


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Old October 11th 04, 11:32 PM
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Bush's 'Patriot Act' Vs
Hitler's 'Enabling Act'
What's The Difference?
By John Carman
10-5-4

After the elections of March 5, 1933, the Nazis began a systematic takeover
of the state governments throughout Germany, ending a centuries old
tradition of local political independence. Armed SA and SS thugs barged into
local government offices using the state of emergency decree as a pretext to
throw out legitimate office holders and replace them with Nazi Reich
commissioners.

Political enemies were arrested by the thousands and put in hastily
constructed holding pens. Old army barracks and abandoned factories were
used as prisons. Once inside, prisoners were subjected to military style
drills and harsh discipline. They were often beaten and sometimes even
tortured to death. This was the very beginning of the Nazi concentration
camp system. At this time, these early concentration camps were loosely
organized under the control of the SA and the rival SS. Many were little
more than barbed wire stockades know as 'wild' concentration camps, set up
by local Gauleiters and SA leaders.

For Adolf Hitler, the goal of a legally established dictatorship was now
within reach. On March 15, 1933, a cabinet meeting was held during which
Hitler and Göring discussed how to obstruct what was left of the democratic
process to get an Enabling Act passed by the Reichstag. This law would hand
over the constitutional functions of the Reichstag to Hitler, including the
power to make laws, control the budget and approve treaties with foreign
governments. The emergency decree signed by Hindenburg on February 28, after
the Reichstag fire, made it easy for them to interfere with non-Nazi elected
representatives of the people by simply arresting them.

As Hitler plotted to bring democracy to an end in Germany, Propaganda
Minister Joseph Goebbels put together a brilliant public relations display
at the official opening of the newly elected Reichstag. On March 21, in the
Garrison Church at Potsdam, the burial place of Frederick the Great, an
elaborate ceremony took place designed to ease public concern over Hitler
and his gangster-like new regime.

It was attended by President Hindenburg, foreign diplomats, the General
Staff and all the old guard going back to the days of the Kaiser. Dressed in
their handsome uniforms sprinkled with medals, they watched a most reverent
Adolf Hitler give a speech paying respect to Hindenburg and celebrating the
union of old Prussian military traditions and the new Nazi Reich. As a
symbol of this, the old Imperial flags would soon add swastikas.

Finishing his speech, Hitler walked over to Hindenburg and respectfully
bowed before him while taking hold of the old man's hand. The scene was
recorded on film and by press photographers from around the world. This was
precisely the impression Hitler and Goebbels wanted to give to the world,
all the while plotting to toss aside Hindenburg and the elected Reichstag.

Later that same day, Hindenburg signed two decrees put before him by Hitler.
The first offered full pardons to all Nazis currently in prison. The prison
doors sprang open and out came an assortment of Nazi thugs and murderers.

The second decree signed by the befuddled old man allowed for the arrest of
anyone suspected of maliciously criticizing the government and the Nazi
party. (Sound familiar?!)

A third decree signed only by Hitler and Papen allowed for the establishment
of special courts to try political offenders. These courts were conducted in
the military style of a court-martial without a jury and usually with no
counsel for the defense.

On March 23, the newly elected Reichstag met in the Kroll Opera House in
Berlin to consider passing Hitler's Enabling Act. It was officially called
the "Law for Removing the Distress of the People and the Reich." If passed,
it would in effect vote democracy out of existence in Germany and establish
the legal dictatorship of Adolf Hitler. Brown-shirted Nazi storm troopers
swarmed over the fancy old building in a show of force and as a visible
threat. They stood outside, in the hallways and even lined the aisles
inside, glaring ominously at anyone who might oppose Hitler's will.

Before the vote, Hitler made a speech in which he pledged to use restraint.
"The government will make use of these powers only insofar as they are
essential for carrying out vitally necessary measures. The number of cases
in which an internal necessity exists for having recourse to such a law is
in itself a limited one," Hitler told the Reichstag.

He also promised an end to unemployment and pledged to promote peace with
France, Great Britain and the Soviet Union. But in order to do all this,
Hitler said, he first needed the Enabling Act. A two-thirds majority was
needed, since the law would actually alter the constitution. Hitler needed
31 non-Nazi votes to pass it. He got those votes from the Catholic Center
Party after making a false promise to restore some basic rights already
taken away by decree.

Meanwhile, Nazi storm troopers chanted outside: "Full powers or else! We
want the bill or fire and murder!!" But one man arose amid the overwhelming
might. Otto Wells, leader of the Social Democrats stood up and spoke quietly
to Hitler.

"We German Social Democrats pledge ourselves solemnly in this historic hour
to the principles of humanity and justice, of freedom and socialism. No
enabling act can give you power to destroy ideas which are eternal and
indestructible."

Hitler was enraged and jumped up to respond.

"You are no longer needed! The star of Germany will rise and yours will
sink! Your death knell has sounded!"

The vote was taken: 441 for, and only 84, the Social Democrats, against. The
Nazis leapt to their feet clapping, stamping and shouting, then broke into
the Nazi anthem, the Hörst Wessel song. Democracy was ended. They had
brought down the German Democratic Republic legally. From this day onward,
the Reichstag would be just a sounding board, a cheering section for
Hitler's pronouncements.

Interestingly, the Nazi party was now flooded with applications for
membership. These latecomers were cynically labeled by old time Nazis as
'March Violets.' In May, the Nazi Party froze membership. Many of those kept
out applied to the SA and the SS which were still accepting. However, in
early 1934, Heinrich Himmler would throw out 50,000 of those 'March Violets'
from the SS. The Nazi Gleichschaltung now began, a massive coordination of
all aspects of life under the swastika and the absolute leadership of Adolf
Hitler. Under Hitler, the State, not the individual, was supreme. From the
moment of birth one existed to serve the State and obey the dictates of the
Führer. Those who disagreed were disposed of. Many agreed. Bureaucrats,
industrialists, even intellectual and literary figures, including Gerhart
Hauptmann, world renowned dramatist, were coming out in open support of
Hitler.

Many disagreed and left the country. A flood of the finest minds, including
over two thousand writers, scientists, and people in the arts poured out of
Germany and enriched other lands, mostly the United States. Among them
writer Thomas Mann, director Fritz Lang, actress Marlene Dietrich, architect
Walter Gropius, musicians Otto Klemperer, Kurt Weill, Richard Tauber,
psychologist Sigmund Freud, and Albert Einstein, who was visiting California
when Hitler came to power and never returned to Germany.

In Germany, there were now constant Nazi rallies, parades, marches and
meetings amid the relentless propaganda of Goebbels and the omnipresent
swastika. For those who remained there was an odd mixture of fear and
optimism in the air.

Now, for the first time as dictator, Adolf Hitler turned his attention to
the driving force which had propelled him into politics in the first place,
his hatred of the Jews. It began with a simple boycott on April 1, 1933, and
would end years later in the greatest tragedy in all of human history.

Maybe there is a connection?

At half past six on the evening of April 20th, 1889 an innocent child was
born in the small town of Braunau Am Inn, Austria. The name of the child was
Adolf Hitler. He was the son a Customs official Alois Hitler, and his third
wife Klara. Initially Alois had taken his mother's name, Schicklgruber, but
changed it in 1876 and became Hiedler, or Hitler. Quite important it is hard
to imagine tens of thousands of Germans shouting "Heil Schicklgruber!"
instead of "Heil Hitler!"



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