You can go to
http://messiahsbranch.org/stair/cult..._Downloads.htm
and download a 67 page book about R.G. Stair.

It is in Word format when unzipped. Less than 100k zipped so it won't
take long to download it.

I CANNOT CONFIRM THE ACCURACY of this account as I have not read it yet.
I just downloaded it and checked to see how many pages it is. It has
rough sketches of the farm, dining area and some individual trailers on
the farm.

Actually, I might be a little skeptical of the accuracy of part of it
but it's probably not ALL inaccurate. Where there's smoke. . . .

I thought it might be appropriate to post this now as Stair probably
broadcasts on shortwave radio about as much as anyone except perhaps Dr.
Gene Scott. Also, Stair's trial is scheduled to come up in about 5 weeks.

I'm sure http://www.thenetteam.net (The Net Team) will be posting things
almost as rapidly as they happen. However, don't expect too much to
happen too quickly. The wheels of justice . . . . turn very slowly
sometimes . . . . especially when a person has the capital to pay
various lawyers to create some delays. Oh, I have no idea how the
lawyers are being paid. Stair claims to own nothing, but I'd pretty
well bet he is NOT using court appointed attorneys. Perhaps the tooth
fairy is paying them for him! ;-)

Well, I printed out the "book" and read it. It's a fairly interesting
read for anyone interested in Stair, the farm he lives on or the people
on that farm. It is a little dated as he wrote it about eight years ago
and many things have probably changed. Buildings have been added,
property bought and sold, etc. I'm sure many people have moved off (and
onto) the farm since his visit. Again, http://www.thenetteam.net/ and
http://www.remnantshope.com/ will have more up to date information.

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Al Patrick wrote:

You can go to
http://messiahsbranch.org/stair/cult..._Downloads.htm
and download a 67 page book about R.G. Stair.

It is in Word format when unzipped. Less than 100k zipped so it won't
take long to download it.

I CANNOT CONFIRM THE ACCURACY of this account as I have not read it yet.
I just downloaded it and checked to see how many pages it is. It has
rough sketches of the farm, dining area and some individual trailers on
the farm.

Actually, I might be a little skeptical of the accuracy of part of it
but it's probably not ALL inaccurate. Where there's smoke. . . .

I thought it might be appropriate to post this now as Stair probably
broadcasts on shortwave radio about as much as anyone except perhaps Dr.
Gene Scott. Also, Stair's trial is scheduled to come up in about 5 weeks.

I'm sure http://www.thenetteam.net (The Net Team) will be posting things
almost as rapidly as they happen. However, don't expect too much to
happen too quickly. The wheels of justice . . . . turn very slowly
sometimes . . . . especially when a person has the capital to pay
various lawyers to create some delays. Oh, I have no idea how the
lawyers are being paid. Stair claims to own nothing, but I'd pretty
well bet he is NOT using court appointed attorneys. Perhaps the tooth
fairy is paying them for him! ;-)

Huh, it strikes me that you might have some vested interest in these
matters. There's nothing wrong with that. If it were set about to rid
the earth of bad people, you'd have to grind me under the proverbial
heel. So, Stair enjoys lusty relations, or has tasted of that tree. Take
a look around, a bunch of us have the sweet nectar of debauchery
dripping off of our chins. Darren





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This IS a shortwave newsgroup and Stair has probably spent about
$15,000,000.00 on shortwave broadcasting from many different stations in
several different nations! His name has been discussed and cussed. I
thought it was OT (ON Topic!) ;-) No "vested interest" involved or
intended. However, you'll probably find that the subject will come up a
bit more often in December - should he actually go to trial.

Oh, I was pretty well lambasted because I wrote an article referencing
someone else's quote that rat poison was 98% good food and only 2%
poison. Then I produced a quote from a DeCon package that said it had
something like POINT 5% active ingredients and 99.5% inert. I was
accused of taking up for Stair by some of the "Hate Stair" group by
implying that he was not 100% crooked, deceitful, wicked, etc., ad nauseam.

On another occasion a similar thing happened but I can't recall the
details right this second. Someone predicted he'd be "out of business"
so to speak by the end of that year. That was several years ago. He
preaches a lot of truth but he throws in a bit of error with it. Kind
of reminds me of Jesus Christ's words in Matthew 16:6, "...Take heed and
beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees...."

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D. Martin wrote:
Huh, it strikes me that you might have some vested interest in these
matters. There's nothing wrong with that. If it were set about to rid
the earth of bad people, you'd have to grind me under the proverbial
heel. So, Stair enjoys lusty relations, or has tasted of that tree. Take
a look around, a bunch of us have the sweet nectar of debauchery
dripping off of our chins. Darren

Sure, R.G.Stair is truly a shortwave phenomena. In my opinion, a really
gifted preacher as well. Has he been the guru of of a cult movement? Let
me put it this way. I believe stupidity should be painful. If you
embrace flames, and experience a burning sensation, don't act surprised.
So, in a manner of speaking, I believe in self-responsibility. To hold
Stair down, and pummel him, for being what he is, is an effort to
exonerate the dupes who got duped. If you get a dog, and it acts like a
dog, don't be shocked when it does the things dogs do. When it chews up
your shoes, or craps in your house and yard, or barks like an idiot for
no good reason. I'm not gonna curse a cat for acting like a cat. If I
met you, and said, "dude, quit not being what I want you to be". That
would be an absolutely insane request. Darren





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"Al Patrick" wrote in message
...

I CANNOT CONFIRM THE ACCURACY of this account as I have not read it yet.
I just downloaded it and checked to see how many pages it is. It has
rough sketches of the farm, dining area and some individual trailers on
the farm.

Actually, I might be a little skeptical of the accuracy of part of it
but it's probably not ALL inaccurate. Where there's smoke. . . .

More like 'where's there's diced fruit there's apt to be fruit salad'. . . !

I had an opportunity to run into 'David' at either a Pay-triot or
Prop-ehecy Expo many years ago. (I used to go to these things
with some of my college friends and a covert videocamera because
there was so much opportunity for Comedy Central grade humor
from these paranoid and imbalanced individuals. An opportunity
not to be missed...) We listened to this goofball rant on and on
like a Grade-A USDA Inspected KOOKMEISTER for 5 minutes
and we all came away with a universal acknowledgement that
he was a STARK RAVING LOONEY the Classification of
which was right up there with the 3 "prophet guys" you may recall
seeing in the classic movie 'Life of Brian' by Monty Python.

Perfectly fit for shortwave radio. He should be a guest someday
on either James Lloyd's or Alex Jones' program. A complete whacko
who probably should be in a rubber room but who's entertainment
value should first be discovered by Jon Stewart of The Daily Show for
a future roving reporter segment on the same....

On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 10:47:00 -0500, D. Martin wrote:

Huh, it strikes me that you might have some vested interest in these
matters.

All of us who listen to domestic shortwave broadcasts have, at one time or an
udder, brought up Brother R G "Stair(way to Heaven"). There's no way not to
hear him although - when one has never heard him before - it takes only forty
or so hours to go straight to burnout.


There's nothing wrong with that. If it were set about to rid
the earth of bad people, you'd have to grind me under the proverbial
heel. So, Stair enjoys lusty relations, or has tasted of that tree. Take
a look around, a bunch of us have the sweet nectar of debauchery
dripping off of our chins. Darren


Do you realize that it's statutory rape we're discussing?


Gray Shockley

I'm sure your a really pure guy, (Gary) never having had a lusty
thought of your own (sarcasm). Now, if you want to call Stair the devil
incarnate, you will have to know of your own purity with assurity. My
pre-repentant life looked like a porno flick. No crimes were committed.
People who can't understand that pleasure is a part of the sex act, are
gravely mistaken. Food is good, we're not all obese. How would you or I
stand up to the temptations that notoriety bring. Politicians, movie
people, music people, other popular ministers, etc., have all fallen to
the availability of sex. How could a someone famous have sex with
another person? Very easily. Maybe even a little more readily than the
common folks. I'm not justifying living for carnal fulfillment, but it
doesn't perplex me either. Some people have big families. How'd that
happen? A fat person gets away with it 'cause we figure he's his own
victim. Darren





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On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 22:29:53 -0500, D. Martin wrote
(in message ):

I'm sure your a really pure guy, (Gary)


Do you mean "Gray"?


I doubt seriously if anyone on this ng is interested in my sex life or your
sex life. You're the first person in the years I've been on here to be
interested in my sex life. I would just as soon you not be interested.


Since I seriously suspect your next messages have to do with Jesus or Diana
or some other god/goddess/thingie, I'll save myself the trouble of plonking
you later by doing it now. plonk


Have an average day.

Gray