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Diego Garcia 13254
Diego Garcia is active again here this morning on 13254.
dxAce Michigan USA http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
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dxAce wrote: Diego Garcia is active again here this morning on 13254. Transmissions have a 'watery' sound to them, as they have the past few days indicating a possible trans-polar path. dxAce Michigan USA http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
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dxAce wrote:
Diego Garcia is active again here this morning on 13254. Transmissions have a 'watery' sound to them, as they have the past few days indicating a possible trans-polar path. Does the cold make the radio waves shiver? -- So those 380 tons of missing explosives were moved by Saddam before all those expert inspectors noticed, eh? No wonder twelve years of inspections found NOTHING. |
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dxAce wrote: Diego Garcia is active again here this morning on 13254. Transmissions have a 'watery' sound to them, as they have the past few days indicating a possible trans-polar path. dxAce Michigan USA http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm Interesting - I will try to listen for them this weekend (no luck so far...) An observation and a question: When a station is not antipodal to the listener (such as, say, Voice of Nigeria or Radio New Zealand and my receiver in California), it appears that there are only two ways a signal could reach the receiver - either short path or long path via the Great Circle route, which would be a straight line plotted across the Earth's surface, not counting the Great Circle itself or the necesary skip. A signal headed out in any other compass directions from the station in straight lines would ultimately not arrive at the receiver, but at some other point on Earth. (This is not the same as saying that a station beaming its signal in some other ddirection will not reach my receiver - we all frequently hear broadcasts intended for other audiences, because antenna systems aren't perfect, thank goodness.) This is why, when I listen to All India Radio or the Seychelles or something out thataway that is *not* antipodal, it usually sounds watery - it has no other route to my receiver except over the pole(s). The only way a signal emanating from a station in any direction could always reach a receiver is if the transmitter is antipodal to the receiver - that is, directly on the opposite side of the earth. From this, and without the immediate benefit of a globe or map, I assume that for DxAce, Diego Garcia is nearly antipodal to his receiver; thus his implication that signals from that site could possibly reach his receiver via more than one path aside from a polar route. *The Question*: Am I wrong? Is it possible, or even common, for a transmitted signal to travel to a receiver via some route other than a Great Circle route? Is it possible for skip to veer around corners? People talk about and use Gray Line conditions to their advantage, but even *that* is a straight line / Great Circle pathway when one exmaines what is happening - are there others that weave along warped ways? Thanks - Bruce Jensen |
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Do a Google search for skewed propagation
-- The Anon Keyboard I doubt, therefore I might be "bpnjensen" wrote in message om... An observation and a question: When a station is not antipodal to the listener (such as, say, Voice of Nigeria or Radio New Zealand and my receiver in California), it appears that there are only two ways a signal could reach the receiver - either short path or long path via the Great Circle route, which would be a straight line plotted across the Earth's surface, not counting the Great Circle itself or the necesary skip. A signal headed out in any other compass directions from the station in straight lines would ultimately not arrive at the receiver, but at some other point on Earth. (This is not the same as saying that a station beaming its signal in some other ddirection will not reach my receiver - we all frequently hear broadcasts intended for other audiences, because antenna systems aren't perfect, thank goodness.) This is why, when I listen to All India Radio or the Seychelles or something out thataway that is *not* antipodal, it usually sounds watery - it has no other route to my receiver except over the pole(s). The only way a signal emanating from a station in any direction could always reach a receiver is if the transmitter is antipodal to the receiver - that is, directly on the opposite side of the earth. From this, and without the immediate benefit of a globe or map, I assume that for DxAce, Diego Garcia is nearly antipodal to his receiver; thus his implication that signals from that site could possibly reach his receiver via more than one path aside from a polar route. *The Question*: Am I wrong? Is it possible, or even common, for a transmitted signal to travel to a receiver via some route other than a Great Circle route? Is it possible for skip to veer around corners? People talk about and use Gray Line conditions to their advantage, but even *that* is a straight line / Great Circle pathway when one exmaines what is happening - are there others that weave along warped ways? Thanks - Bruce Jensen |
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"Keyboard In The Wilderness" wrote in message news:08tgd.82205$hj.10086@fed1read07...
Do a Google search for skewed propagation Thank you - I'll do just that. BTW, excellent reception this past weekend mornings of low-power Indonesian stations here in California. Bruce Jensen |
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bpnjensen wrote: dxAce wrote in message ... dxAce wrote: Diego Garcia is active again here this morning on 13254. Transmissions have a 'watery' sound to them, as they have the past few days indicating a possible trans-polar path. dxAce Michigan USA http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm Interesting - I will try to listen for them this weekend (no luck so far...) An observation and a question: When a station is not antipodal to the listener (such as, say, Voice of Nigeria or Radio New Zealand and my receiver in California), it appears that there are only two ways a signal could reach the receiver - either short path or long path via the Great Circle route, which would be a straight line plotted across the Earth's surface, not counting the Great Circle itself or the necesary skip. A signal headed out in any other compass directions from the station in straight lines would ultimately not arrive at the receiver, but at some other point on Earth. (This is not the same as saying that a station beaming its signal in some other ddirection will not reach my receiver - we all frequently hear broadcasts intended for other audiences, because antenna systems aren't perfect, thank goodness.) This is why, when I listen to All India Radio or the Seychelles or something out thataway that is *not* antipodal, it usually sounds watery - it has no other route to my receiver except over the pole(s). The only way a signal emanating from a station in any direction could always reach a receiver is if the transmitter is antipodal to the receiver - that is, directly on the opposite side of the earth. From this, and without the immediate benefit of a globe or map, I assume that for DxAce, Diego Garcia is nearly antipodal to his receiver; thus his implication that signals from that site could possibly reach his receiver via more than one path aside from a polar route. *The Question*: Am I wrong? Is it possible, or even common, for a transmitted signal to travel to a receiver via some route other than a Great Circle route? Is it possible for skip to veer around corners? People talk about and use Gray Line conditions to their advantage, but even *that* is a straight line / Great Circle pathway when one exmaines what is happening - are there others that weave along warped ways? No, the grey line is not always necessarily a straight line path, but can be a 'crooked path', and that is 'veering around corners' as you say. Hearing Diego this morning several times after 1425. dxAce Mihigan USA http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
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dxAce wrote in message ...
bpnjensen wrote: dxAce wrote in message ... snips No, the grey line is not always necessarily a straight line path, but can be a 'crooked path', and that is 'veering around corners' as you say. Hmmm - can you explain this? Geometrically, with the sun's rays essentially parallel to one another shining on the disc of the earth, the grayline would always represent a virtually perfect circumference, no matter which exact face the earth presents to the sun - hence, while a flat map of the world shows an undulating wave, the grayline is actually a 'straight' line along the earth's face. The only deviation from this that I can determine would be the astronomical width of the sun, about 0.5 degree, and whatever 'ionic' width either side of that partial illumination at sunrise/sunset would be involved in improved propagation. I can imagine that something about the earth's magnetic field could vary this, especilly *at* the poles - is this why some 'crookedness' can occur? Thanks, Bruce Jensen |
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bpnjensen wrote: dxAce wrote in message ... bpnjensen wrote: dxAce wrote in message ... snips No, the grey line is not always necessarily a straight line path, but can be a 'crooked path', and that is 'veering around corners' as you say. Hmmm - can you explain this? Geometrically, with the sun's rays essentially parallel to one another shining on the disc of the earth, the grayline would always represent a virtually perfect circumference, no matter which exact face the earth presents to the sun - hence, while a flat map of the world shows an undulating wave, the grayline is actually a 'straight' line along the earth's face. The only deviation from this that I can determine would be the astronomical width of the sun, about 0.5 degree, and whatever 'ionic' width either side of that partial illumination at sunrise/sunset would be involved in improved propagation. I can imagine that something about the earth's magnetic field could vary this, especilly *at* the poles - is this why some 'crookedness' can occur? It's very easy to see, just look at a grey line map. It's a well known propagation phenomenon. At least amongst the cognoscenti. And, has nothing to do with the magnetic field. dxAce Michigan USA |
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