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Michael Lawson wrote:

Thanks for the info. I'm thinking of trying to use the
top of my split rail fence to hold a 80' wire, so I was
curious about your setup. Do you have a buried
coax leading to your shack??


Yes, both runs of coax are buried, leading into Transi-trap
lightning protectors, then up to a two way anrenna switch,
then to the Stridsburg multi-coupler, then to the
receivers.

dxAce
Michigan
USA




When you disconnect the coax (say, when a thunder storm is
moving in), do you just disconnect from the switch or do you
disconnect outside?

The reason I ask is that when I had the 300' of wire, it
seemed to be a fairly decent static-charge collector. The neon
in the static-bleeder would get a pretty decent workout from
time to time. It got to the point I kept the coax disconnected
outside as the norm - connecting it only when I wanted to
listen.

I can imagine with both of your wires, your transi-traps are
worth several times their weight in gold...


I just disconnect from the switch. Never had any problems as the antennas
themselves are directly grounded at the feedpoint through the transformers.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


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-=jd=- wrote:

On Mon 29 Nov 2004 11:29:49a, dxAce
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Michael Lawson wrote:

Thanks for the info. I'm thinking of trying to use the
top of my split rail fence to hold a 80' wire, so I was
curious about your setup. Do you have a buried
coax leading to your shack??

Yes, both runs of coax are buried, leading into Transi-trap
lightning protectors, then up to a two way anrenna switch,
then to the Stridsburg multi-coupler, then to the
receivers.

dxAce
Michigan
USA




When you disconnect the coax (say, when a thunder storm is
moving in), do you just disconnect from the switch or do you
disconnect outside?

The reason I ask is that when I had the 300' of wire, it
seemed to be a fairly decent static-charge collector. The neon
in the static-bleeder would get a pretty decent workout from
time to time. It got to the point I kept the coax disconnected
outside as the norm - connecting it only when I wanted to
listen.

I can imagine with both of your wires, your transi-traps are
worth several times their weight in gold...


I just disconnect from the switch. Never had any problems as the

antennas
themselves are directly grounded at the feedpoint through the

transformers.

You're using your 10:1 transformer for the grounding?

--Mike L.



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On Mon 29 Nov 2004 11:29:49a, dxAce
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Michael Lawson wrote:

Thanks for the info. I'm thinking of trying to use the
top of my split rail fence to hold a 80' wire, so I was
curious about your setup. Do you have a buried
coax leading to your shack??

Yes, both runs of coax are buried, leading into Transi-trap
lightning protectors, then up to a two way anrenna switch,
then to the Stridsburg multi-coupler, then to the
receivers.

dxAce
Michigan
USA




When you disconnect the coax (say, when a thunder storm is
moving in), do you just disconnect from the switch or do you
disconnect outside?

The reason I ask is that when I had the 300' of wire, it
seemed to be a fairly decent static-charge collector. The neon
in the static-bleeder would get a pretty decent workout from
time to time. It got to the point I kept the coax disconnected
outside as the norm - connecting it only when I wanted to
listen.

I can imagine with both of your wires, your transi-traps are
worth several times their weight in gold...


I just disconnect from the switch. Never had any problems as the

antennas
themselves are directly grounded at the feedpoint through the

transformers.

You're using your 10:1 transformer for the grounding?


Well, yes. There is no direct connection between the antenna and coaxial cable.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


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On Mon 29 Nov 2004 11:29:49a, dxAce
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Michael Lawson wrote:

Thanks for the info. I'm thinking of trying to use the
top of my split rail fence to hold a 80' wire, so I was
curious about your setup. Do you have a buried
coax leading to your shack??

Yes, both runs of coax are buried, leading into Transi-trap
lightning protectors, then up to a two way anrenna switch,
then to the Stridsburg multi-coupler, then to the
receivers.

dxAce
Michigan
USA




When you disconnect the coax (say, when a thunder storm is
moving in), do you just disconnect from the switch or do you
disconnect outside?

The reason I ask is that when I had the 300' of wire, it
seemed to be a fairly decent static-charge collector. The neon
in the static-bleeder would get a pretty decent workout from
time to time. It got to the point I kept the coax disconnected
outside as the norm - connecting it only when I wanted to
listen.

I can imagine with both of your wires, your transi-traps are
worth several times their weight in gold...

I just disconnect from the switch. Never had any problems as the

antennas
themselves are directly grounded at the feedpoint through the

transformers.

You're using your 10:1 transformer for the grounding?


Well, yes. There is no direct connection between the antenna and coaxial

cable.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


Ace:

Are you using a tuner on that 200 footer? I'm using an untuned, uncoupled,
directly connected 200 ft piece of wire which I'm thinking of upgrading. I
currently use it mostly for LW and MW up to about 2Mhz. What frequency
range do you use it for mostly?

Other than orientation (your pic suggests 2 ants at right angles) is there
any advantage using two longwires of different lengths?

BTW, how tall are your supports?

HankG


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Michael Lawson wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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-=jd=- wrote:

On Mon 29 Nov 2004 11:29:49a, dxAce
wrote in message :



Michael Lawson wrote:

Thanks for the info. I'm thinking of trying to use the
top of my split rail fence to hold a 80' wire, so I was
curious about your setup. Do you have a buried
coax leading to your shack??

Yes, both runs of coax are buried, leading into Transi-trap
lightning protectors, then up to a two way anrenna switch,
then to the Stridsburg multi-coupler, then to the
receivers.

dxAce
Michigan
USA




When you disconnect the coax (say, when a thunder storm is
moving in), do you just disconnect from the switch or do you
disconnect outside?

The reason I ask is that when I had the 300' of wire, it
seemed to be a fairly decent static-charge collector. The neon
in the static-bleeder would get a pretty decent workout from
time to time. It got to the point I kept the coax disconnected
outside as the norm - connecting it only when I wanted to
listen.

I can imagine with both of your wires, your transi-traps are
worth several times their weight in gold...

I just disconnect from the switch. Never had any problems as the
antennas
themselves are directly grounded at the feedpoint through the
transformers.

You're using your 10:1 transformer for the grounding?


Well, yes. There is no direct connection between the antenna and coaxial

cable.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


Ace:

Are you using a tuner on that 200 footer?


No, no tuner. On that or the 70'.

I'm using an untuned, uncoupled,
directly connected 200 ft piece of wire which I'm thinking of upgrading. I
currently use it mostly for LW and MW up to about 2Mhz. What frequency
range do you use it for mostly?


I use them both for everything, however my system( including the Stridsberg
multicoupler, which was modified by Stridsberg for me), and the transformers
themselves are optimized for SW. I can bypass the Stridsberg and go direct to
the receiver(s), but still the transformers are wound for SW.

Other than orientation (your pic suggests 2 ants at right angles) is there
any advantage using two longwires of different lengths?


Yes, many times I can get better reception by switching between the two as
signals arrive from different directions. Additionally, the 200' wire works well
on many SW frequencies arriving from a W or E direction.

BTW, how tall are your supports?


9'. They are, as I recall 4x4x12 treated wood, sunk 3' into the ground.

dxAce
Michigan
USA




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HankG wrote:

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Michael Lawson wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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-=jd=- wrote:

On Mon 29 Nov 2004 11:29:49a, dxAce
wrote in message :



Michael Lawson wrote:

Thanks for the info. I'm thinking of trying to use the
top of my split rail fence to hold a 80' wire, so I was
curious about your setup. Do you have a buried
coax leading to your shack??

Yes, both runs of coax are buried, leading into

Transi-trap
lightning protectors, then up to a two way anrenna

switch,
then to the Stridsburg multi-coupler, then to the
receivers.

dxAce
Michigan
USA




When you disconnect the coax (say, when a thunder storm is
moving in), do you just disconnect from the switch or do

you
disconnect outside?

The reason I ask is that when I had the 300' of wire, it
seemed to be a fairly decent static-charge collector. The

neon
in the static-bleeder would get a pretty decent workout

from
time to time. It got to the point I kept the coax

disconnected
outside as the norm - connecting it only when I wanted to
listen.

I can imagine with both of your wires, your transi-traps

are
worth several times their weight in gold...

I just disconnect from the switch. Never had any problems as

the
antennas
themselves are directly grounded at the feedpoint through

the
transformers.

You're using your 10:1 transformer for the grounding?

Well, yes. There is no direct connection between the antenna and

coaxial
cable.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


Ace:

Are you using a tuner on that 200 footer?


No, no tuner. On that or the 70'.

I'm using an untuned, uncoupled,
directly connected 200 ft piece of wire which I'm thinking of

upgrading. I
currently use it mostly for LW and MW up to about 2Mhz. What

frequency
range do you use it for mostly?


I use them both for everything, however my system( including the

Stridsberg
multicoupler, which was modified by Stridsberg for me), and the

transformers
themselves are optimized for SW. I can bypass the Stridsberg and go

direct to
the receiver(s), but still the transformers are wound for SW.

Other than orientation (your pic suggests 2 ants at right angles)

is there
any advantage using two longwires of different lengths?


Yes, many times I can get better reception by switching between the

two as
signals arrive from different directions. Additionally, the 200'

wire works well
on many SW frequencies arriving from a W or E direction.

BTW, how tall are your supports?


9'. They are, as I recall 4x4x12 treated wood, sunk 3' into the

ground.

I would second the need for a matching transformer,
it really does made a huge difference. I'd recommend
reading the articles by John Bryant at
http://www.dxing.info/equipment/ for more info.

Ace, do you still sell yours? Just curious.

--Mike L.



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HankG wrote:

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Michael Lawson wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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-=jd=- wrote:

On Mon 29 Nov 2004 11:29:49a, dxAce
wrote in message :



Michael Lawson wrote:

Thanks for the info. I'm thinking of trying to use the
top of my split rail fence to hold a 80' wire, so I was
curious about your setup. Do you have a buried
coax leading to your shack??

Yes, both runs of coax are buried, leading into

Transi-trap
lightning protectors, then up to a two way anrenna

switch,
then to the Stridsburg multi-coupler, then to the
receivers.

dxAce
Michigan
USA




When you disconnect the coax (say, when a thunder storm is
moving in), do you just disconnect from the switch or do

you
disconnect outside?

The reason I ask is that when I had the 300' of wire, it
seemed to be a fairly decent static-charge collector. The

neon
in the static-bleeder would get a pretty decent workout

from
time to time. It got to the point I kept the coax

disconnected
outside as the norm - connecting it only when I wanted to
listen.

I can imagine with both of your wires, your transi-traps

are
worth several times their weight in gold...

I just disconnect from the switch. Never had any problems as

the
antennas
themselves are directly grounded at the feedpoint through

the
transformers.

You're using your 10:1 transformer for the grounding?

Well, yes. There is no direct connection between the antenna and

coaxial
cable.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Ace:

Are you using a tuner on that 200 footer?


No, no tuner. On that or the 70'.

I'm using an untuned, uncoupled,
directly connected 200 ft piece of wire which I'm thinking of

upgrading. I
currently use it mostly for LW and MW up to about 2Mhz. What

frequency
range do you use it for mostly?


I use them both for everything, however my system( including the

Stridsberg
multicoupler, which was modified by Stridsberg for me), and the

transformers
themselves are optimized for SW. I can bypass the Stridsberg and go

direct to
the receiver(s), but still the transformers are wound for SW.

Other than orientation (your pic suggests 2 ants at right angles)

is there
any advantage using two longwires of different lengths?


Yes, many times I can get better reception by switching between the

two as
signals arrive from different directions. Additionally, the 200'

wire works well
on many SW frequencies arriving from a W or E direction.

BTW, how tall are your supports?


9'. They are, as I recall 4x4x12 treated wood, sunk 3' into the

ground.

I would second the need for a matching transformer,
it really does made a huge difference. I'd recommend
reading the articles by John Bryant at
http://www.dxing.info/equipment/ for more info.

Ace, do you still sell yours? Just curious.


No, I unfortunately no longer make them for sale. There is however someone who
apparently sells something similar on eBay. Quite honestly I don't think I could
compete with the price. If I did start making them up again I suppose it might
be a similar price, but I'd have to explore another case style.

I think I sold about 2-300 of them. It's tedious winding the darn things and I
just gave it up.

Here are some direct links to the Bryant articles:

http://www.dxing.info/equipment/impe...ing_bryant.pdf

http://members.aol.com/DXerCapeCod/z_transformers.pdf

dxAce
Michigan
USA


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Michael Lawson wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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HankG wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
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Michael Lawson wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


-=jd=- wrote:

On Mon 29 Nov 2004 11:29:49a, dxAce
wrote in message :



Michael Lawson wrote:

Thanks for the info. I'm thinking of trying to use the
top of my split rail fence to hold a 80' wire, so I was
curious about your setup. Do you have a buried
coax leading to your shack??

Yes, both runs of coax are buried, leading into

Transi-trap
lightning protectors, then up to a two way anrenna

switch,
then to the Stridsburg multi-coupler, then to the
receivers.

dxAce
Michigan
USA




When you disconnect the coax (say, when a thunder storm is
moving in), do you just disconnect from the switch or do

you
disconnect outside?

The reason I ask is that when I had the 300' of wire, it
seemed to be a fairly decent static-charge collector. The

neon
in the static-bleeder would get a pretty decent workout

from
time to time. It got to the point I kept the coax

disconnected
outside as the norm - connecting it only when I wanted to
listen.

I can imagine with both of your wires, your transi-traps

are
worth several times their weight in gold...

I just disconnect from the switch. Never had any problems as

the
antennas
themselves are directly grounded at the feedpoint through

the
transformers.

You're using your 10:1 transformer for the grounding?

Well, yes. There is no direct connection between the antenna and

coaxial
cable.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Ace:

Are you using a tuner on that 200 footer?


No, no tuner. On that or the 70'.

I'm using an untuned, uncoupled,
directly connected 200 ft piece of wire which I'm thinking of

upgrading. I
currently use it mostly for LW and MW up to about 2Mhz. What

frequency
range do you use it for mostly?


I use them both for everything, however my system( including the

Stridsberg
multicoupler, which was modified by Stridsberg for me), and the

transformers
themselves are optimized for SW. I can bypass the Stridsberg and go

direct to
the receiver(s), but still the transformers are wound for SW.

Other than orientation (your pic suggests 2 ants at right angles)

is there
any advantage using two longwires of different lengths?


Yes, many times I can get better reception by switching between the

two as
signals arrive from different directions. Additionally, the 200'

wire works well
on many SW frequencies arriving from a W or E direction.

BTW, how tall are your supports?


9'. They are, as I recall 4x4x12 treated wood, sunk 3' into the

ground.

I would second the need for a matching transformer,
it really does made a huge difference. I'd recommend
reading the articles by John Bryant at
http://www.dxing.info/equipment/ for more info.


Thanks for pointing out the dx'ing.info site again, I don't go there very often
and I see that there is a more recent article there entitled "A Second Look at
Fabricating Impedance Transformers for Receiving Antennas" An interesting read
as I still use the FT-50-43 toroids and they seem to recommend either the FT-82
or FT-114 in a type 75 mix.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



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On Mon 29 Nov 2004 11:29:49a, dxAce


wrote in message :



Michael Lawson wrote:

Thanks for the info. I'm thinking of trying to use

the
top of my split rail fence to hold a 80' wire, so I

was
curious about your setup. Do you have a buried
coax leading to your shack??

Yes, both runs of coax are buried, leading into

Transi-trap
lightning protectors, then up to a two way anrenna

switch,
then to the Stridsburg multi-coupler, then to the
receivers.

dxAce
Michigan
USA




When you disconnect the coax (say, when a thunder

storm is
moving in), do you just disconnect from the switch or

do
you
disconnect outside?

The reason I ask is that when I had the 300' of wire,

it
seemed to be a fairly decent static-charge collector.

The
neon
in the static-bleeder would get a pretty decent

workout
from
time to time. It got to the point I kept the coax

disconnected
outside as the norm - connecting it only when I wanted

to
listen.

I can imagine with both of your wires, your

transi-traps
are
worth several times their weight in gold...

I just disconnect from the switch. Never had any

problems as
the
antennas
themselves are directly grounded at the feedpoint

through
the
transformers.

You're using your 10:1 transformer for the grounding?

Well, yes. There is no direct connection between the antenna

and
coaxial
cable.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Ace:

Are you using a tuner on that 200 footer?

No, no tuner. On that or the 70'.

I'm using an untuned, uncoupled,
directly connected 200 ft piece of wire which I'm thinking of

upgrading. I
currently use it mostly for LW and MW up to about 2Mhz. What

frequency
range do you use it for mostly?

I use them both for everything, however my system( including the

Stridsberg
multicoupler, which was modified by Stridsberg for me), and the

transformers
themselves are optimized for SW. I can bypass the Stridsberg and

go
direct to
the receiver(s), but still the transformers are wound for SW.

Other than orientation (your pic suggests 2 ants at right

angles)
is there
any advantage using two longwires of different lengths?

Yes, many times I can get better reception by switching between

the
two as
signals arrive from different directions. Additionally, the 200'

wire works well
on many SW frequencies arriving from a W or E direction.

BTW, how tall are your supports?

9'. They are, as I recall 4x4x12 treated wood, sunk 3' into the

ground.

I would second the need for a matching transformer,
it really does made a huge difference. I'd recommend
reading the articles by John Bryant at
http://www.dxing.info/equipment/ for more info.


Thanks for pointing out the dx'ing.info site again, I don't go there

very often
and I see that there is a more recent article there entitled "A

Second Look at
Fabricating Impedance Transformers for Receiving Antennas" An

interesting read
as I still use the FT-50-43 toroids and they seem to recommend

either the FT-82
or FT-114 in a type 75 mix.


They were testing primarily the low bands for the "second
look" paper, so I'd imagine that influenced their decision
to go with the J/75.

--Mike L.



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-=jd=- wrote:

On Mon 29 Nov 2004 11:29:49a, dxAce
wrote in message :



Michael Lawson wrote:

Thanks for the info. I'm thinking of trying to use the
top of my split rail fence to hold a 80' wire, so I was
curious about your setup. Do you have a buried
coax leading to your shack??

Yes, both runs of coax are buried, leading into Transi-trap
lightning protectors, then up to a two way anrenna switch,
then to the Stridsburg multi-coupler, then to the
receivers.

dxAce
Michigan
USA




When you disconnect the coax (say, when a thunder storm is
moving in), do you just disconnect from the switch or do you
disconnect outside?

The reason I ask is that when I had the 300' of wire, it
seemed to be a fairly decent static-charge collector. The neon
in the static-bleeder would get a pretty decent workout from
time to time. It got to the point I kept the coax disconnected
outside as the norm - connecting it only when I wanted to
listen.

I can imagine with both of your wires, your transi-traps are
worth several times their weight in gold...

I just disconnect from the switch. Never had any problems as the
antennas
themselves are directly grounded at the feedpoint through the
transformers.

You're using your 10:1 transformer for the grounding?

Well, yes. There is no direct connection between the antenna and

coaxial
cable.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


Ace:

Are you using a tuner on that 200 footer?


No, no tuner. On that or the 70'.

I'm using an untuned, uncoupled,
directly connected 200 ft piece of wire which I'm thinking of upgrading.

I
currently use it mostly for LW and MW up to about 2Mhz. What frequency
range do you use it for mostly?


I use them both for everything, however my system( including the

Stridsberg
multicoupler, which was modified by Stridsberg for me), and the

transformers
themselves are optimized for SW. I can bypass the Stridsberg and go direct

to
the receiver(s), but still the transformers are wound for SW.

Other than orientation (your pic suggests 2 ants at right angles) is

there
any advantage using two longwires of different lengths?


Yes, many times I can get better reception by switching between the two as
signals arrive from different directions. Additionally, the 200' wire

works well
on many SW frequencies arriving from a W or E direction.

BTW, how tall are your supports?


9'. They are, as I recall 4x4x12 treated wood, sunk 3' into the ground.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Thanks for a usually comprehensive answer. Are you using 10:1

transformers?

HankG


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