The ''truth'' is a slippery devil these days. Very hard to get a hold
of sometimes. Everything's spinning...

On 6 Dec 2004 08:53:08 -0800, wrote:

DAVID,

You are the "Voice" of Knowledge, Understanding and the Facts (Some
Call It "Da Truth") to 'those' lacking same.
keep up the good work ~ RHF
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"David" wrote in message
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''Plausible deniablilty." I don't trust Texans. Used to live there.

Claim: Clear Channel Communications banned their American radio
stations from playing specified songs in order to avoid offending
listeners.

Status: False.

Correct. There was a list put together by ONE of the PDs and sent to other
PDs to prevent embarassment in the aftermath of 9/11. This was not
censorship, but prudence and a desire not to offend Americans following
9/11.

There was never a list issued from Clear Channel corporate offices, and no
dictate to not play songs. Just some PDs exchanging some lists of tunes that
might be wise to play with caution or not at all in that difficult time.

Example: [Collected on the Internet, 2001]


Those of you in the Thought Police will find the following
encouraging. Others of you might find it troubling:

In response to Tuesday's terrorist attacks, Clear Channel, the world's
largest radio network, has sent out a list of some 150 "lyrically
questionable" songs by everyone from the Animals to the Zombies which
it has banned its stations from playing. Some songs are overtly
violent in their intent, but the majority simply contain metaphorical
language or narrative aspects that connect uncomfortably with the
tragedy.

Again, the list was sent out to the rock PDs by one of the PDs who took the
time to think about sensitivities and analyzed every song that might be
questinable. There was not ban, no censorship. Just boradcasters doing thier
job of measuring what the public wanted to hear and what was, at the time,
inappropriate.

Accordingly, a program director at Clear Channel Communications (an
organization which operates over 1,170 radio stations in the United
States), after discussions with program directors at several of Clear
Channel Radio's stations, compiled an advisory list of songs which
stations might wish to avoid playing in the short term:

Exactly. Not a ban, not censorship, just good common sense.

I thought it was the old Air America airlines company.I want to fly Con
Air someday.(only joking)
cuhulin

On Sat, 04 Dec 2004 20:58:04 -0500, Mike wrote:

While CCU will transfer the US rights to the X stations, they will keep the
intellectual property of the programming. So Z-90 or any of the other
formats might replace the existing format on one o fthe US licensed Clear
Channel SD stations. It is unlikely that John Lynch will get 690.

He keeps making noises about it, but it sounds like he isn't going to
get it.

Who gets it will be determined by the late Ed Noble's family. So far
as I know they still own it. I believe John Lynch still has pretty
good relations with them. I worked for John for 5 years. I wouldn't
count him out.

Rich

On Sun, 05 Dec 2004 00:00:18 -0500, Mike wrote:

formality. Mexicans stations are treated as what they are, Mexican stations
that music comply with Mexican boradcast law and all other aspects of the
Mexican legal system.

I programmed XTRA for 5 years. The US contingent was committed to
following both the Mexican as well as FCC regulations. I actually had
Norman Vincent Peale use an obscenity when I told him we couldn't air
his show that had been sold by our US sales reps. No religion allowed.
No alcohol. Far more stringent than the US.

That's what I was talking about...the need to get that permit to
originate U.S.-based programming on a foreign signal, from the
viewpoint of the U.S. programming operator.

It's known as 325B. Very hard to get back then, especially when you
had San Diego stations petitioning the FCC and threatening ad
agencies. We sued the stations for $39 million. The result was a
public agreement that we had the right to operate in the San Diego
market.

And of course, the U.S.
operators of the station now known as Fox 6 in the San Diego market
had to go through some hassle back in the days when it was an ABC
affiliate.

That hassle was that Channel 39 (now KNSD, formerly KCST) wanted the
affiliation. ABC preferred the XETV VHF Channel 6 even in the city
with one of the first and largest cable systems in the country.

Last time I heard a Mexican-originated U.S. programmed signal, I do
believe it was 690...and I believe those PSAs take the form of tourism
promotions for the Mexican government, in English, of course.

You can thank Ed Noble (a personal friend of then President Jose Lopez
Portillo) for eliminating (for a while) the shortwave-delivered
Mexican Hour in favor of Tourism PSAs for the border stations.

Rich
Former Program Manager - XTRA

and bully them into performing at its music venues.

The complaint independent promoters have with Clear Channel's concert
division is that it can pay performers far more than the smaller
companies can. The solution, if performers believe in the little guys,
is to take less money. Would that be your choice? The only downside to
concertgoers is higher ticket prices.

PBS did a scathing documentary on Clear Channel a couple of years ago.
No performer was bullied. They were just paid more. They took the
money. No sane Clear Channel programmer would boycott a popular song
that was selling well and played by the competition (of which there
are many) just because they didn't appear at a Clear Channel venue.

Rich

On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 06:37:40 GMT, m II
wrote:

There seems to be some dispute over that. The government has made it
VERY easy for one company to have a monopoly situation.

Where? Monopoly means no competition. Control of a market. Clear
Channel owns a small number of the total stations in the US and is
legally limited by coverage. They cannot own all stations in a market
unless the market has only one.

Rich

On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 14:49:11 GMT, David wrote:

You never saw the post 9-11 list of banned songs?

Hmm. I recall it to be a list of songs considered insensitive
considering what happened. I don't believe anyone was forbidden to
play them.

It's really no different than airlines not running movies with plane
crashes in them.

Rich

On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 18:29:09 -0500, Rich Wood
wrote:

Last time I heard a Mexican-originated U.S. programmed signal, I do
believe it was 690...and I believe those PSAs take the form of tourism
promotions for the Mexican government, in English, of course.

You can thank Ed Noble (a personal friend of then President Jose Lopez
Portillo) for eliminating (for a while) the shortwave-delivered
Mexican Hour in favor of Tourism PSAs for the border stations.

Yet, according to David, the Mexican National Hour is once again heard
even on English-language U.S. targetting stations like XETRA. I'm
surprised that the government of Vicente Fox hasn't eased up on it.

Mike

"Mike" wrote in message
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On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 18:29:09 -0500, Rich Wood
wrote:

Last time I heard a Mexican-originated U.S. programmed signal, I do
believe it was 690...and I believe those PSAs take the form of tourism
promotions for the Mexican government, in English, of course.

You can thank Ed Noble (a personal friend of then President Jose Lopez
Portillo) for eliminating (for a while) the shortwave-delivered
Mexican Hour in favor of Tourism PSAs for the border stations.

Yet, according to David, the Mexican National Hour is once again heard
even on English-language U.S. targetting stations like XETRA. I'm
surprised that the government of Vicente Fox hasn't eased up on it.


I am not sure about XETRA. I know XEPRS does run the Hora Nacional, but
there may be a dispensation based on relationships for XETRA that still
prevails. Ed Noble was owner of what was Mexico's largest ad agency, Noble &
asociados, and a very influential man.