Michael Lawson wrote:
"m II" wrote in message
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Howard wrote:


Well said Bruce!

Two years ago the US government put out feelers to see if death

camps

would be accepted by the public. That in itself says enough.


Cite??



Ashcroft was busy that week. Notice all the references to domestic
concentration camps.

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http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=...G=Search&meta=

http://snipurl.com/b86r



http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=...Search&me ta=

http://snipurl.com/b86j0



http://www.altavista.com/web/results...&kgs =1&kls=0

http://snipurl.com/b86g



This may be a fringe site, but they name sources that may be verified.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps.htm

Only one from a reputable news source in the top three
pages. "US" also means "us", and there are enough
references to Nuremburg in the top results as well.

Saying that "because you can search it and something
comes up in google must mean that there's something
there" isn't good enough. I can type in "cincinnati
bengals super bowl winners" and get results, but that
doesn't mean that the men in orange and black have won
a Super Bowl.

--Mike L.

"m II" wrote in message
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Michael Lawson wrote:
"m II" wrote in message
news:nLvtd.209$U47.193@clgrps12...

Howard wrote:


Well said Bruce!

Two years ago the US government put out feelers to see if death

camps

would be accepted by the public. That in itself says enough.


Cite??



Ashcroft was busy that week. Notice all the references to domestic
concentration camps.

========================



http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=...G=Search&meta=

http://snipurl.com/b86r




http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=...Search&me ta=

http://snipurl.com/b86j0




http://www.altavista.com/web/results...&kgs =1&kls=0

http://snipurl.com/b86g



This may be a fringe site, but they name sources that may be
verified.

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/camps.htm

Michael Lawson wrote:
Only one from a reputable news source in the top three
pages. "US" also means "us", and there are enough
references to Nuremburg in the top results as well.

Saying that "because you can search it and something
comes up in google must mean that there's something
there" isn't good enough. I can type in "cincinnati
bengals super bowl winners" and get results, but that
doesn't mean that the men in orange and black have won
a Super Bowl.


It's easy enough to look deeper. I can understand why you wouldn't
want to, because then your conscience might bother you. Your
government has been hijacked by the most vile monsters known to
mankind...those that kill and torture for profit.


======================================
Camp Delta death chamber plan

Prisoners at Guantanamo Bay

Some detainees may be executed if convicted at military trials
A court and execution chamber could be built at the US detention camp
in Cuba under plans being drawn up by military officials.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2979076.stm




=======================================
US plans death camp
26may03

THE US has floated plans to turn Guantanamo Bay into a death camp,
with its own death row and execution chamber. Prisoners would be
tried, convicted and executed without leaving its boundaries, without
a jury and without right of appeal, The Mail on Sunday newspaper
reported yesterday.

The plans were revealed by Major-General Geoffrey Miller, who is in
charge of 680 suspects from 43 countries, including two Australians.
The suspects have been held at Camp Delta on Cuba without charge for
18 months.

General Miller said building a death row was one plan. Another was to
have a permanent jail, with possibly an execution chamber.


http://www.nielsenhayden.com/makingl...es/002651.html

=========================================

Although the death camp is “seen as logical by the US,” according to
the Herald Sun, international human rights activists are infuriated.
“This camp was created to execute people,” said Jonathan Turley, an
American law professor who has led civil rights protests against
Guantanamo Bay military tribunals. “The administration has no interest
in long-term prison sentences for people it regards as hard-core
terrorists.”


http://www.utne.com/web_special/web_...s/10572-1.html

So, which is it? "Death camp" where thousands are killed
for the crime of being jewish/muslim/whatever, or a prison
camp that has an execution chamber, where those who have
been convicted of capital crimes can be executed?

The whole shock value and (apparent) satisfaction of
saying "Death Camps" relys on the fact that like most
maximum security prisons in the US, the prison at
Guantanamo will have an execution chamber. Why we
haven't heard "the US has DEATH CAMPS all over it's
landscape!!" for the past 25 years or so probably has
everything to do with the current administrations' policies,
and not any real desire for change.

Therefore, shouting about this now when nothing has
really changed is the equivalent of the Howler Monkey
Syndrome. Just like the other thread; if you really wish
Americans dead or think they are stinking piles of crap,
why not do more than just hurl feces at Americans??
If we're really all degenerates who are a threat and
abomination to the world, why are you sitting at home
conversing with us??

--Mike L.


"m II" wrote in message
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Michael Lawson wrote:
Only one from a reputable news source in the top three
pages. "US" also means "us", and there are enough
references to Nuremburg in the top results as well.

Saying that "because you can search it and something
comes up in google must mean that there's something
there" isn't good enough. I can type in "cincinnati
bengals super bowl winners" and get results, but that
doesn't mean that the men in orange and black have won
a Super Bowl.


It's easy enough to look deeper. I can understand why you wouldn't
want to, because then your conscience might bother you. Your
government has been hijacked by the most vile monsters known to
mankind...those that kill and torture for profit.


======================================
Camp Delta death chamber plan

Prisoners at Guantanamo Bay

Some detainees may be executed if convicted at military trials
A court and execution chamber could be built at the US detention
camp
in Cuba under plans being drawn up by military officials.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2979076.stm




=======================================
US plans death camp
26may03

THE US has floated plans to turn Guantanamo Bay into a death camp,
with its own death row and execution chamber. Prisoners would be
tried, convicted and executed without leaving its boundaries,
without
a jury and without right of appeal, The Mail on Sunday newspaper
reported yesterday.

The plans were revealed by Major-General Geoffrey Miller, who is in
charge of 680 suspects from 43 countries, including two Australians.
The suspects have been held at Camp Delta on Cuba without charge for
18 months.

General Miller said building a death row was one plan. Another was
to
have a permanent jail, with possibly an execution chamber.


http://www.nielsenhayden.com/makingl...es/002651.html

=========================================

Although the death camp is "seen as logical by the US," according to
the Herald Sun, international human rights activists are infuriated.
"This camp was created to execute people," said Jonathan Turley, an
American law professor who has led civil rights protests against
Guantanamo Bay military tribunals. "The administration has no
interest
in long-term prison sentences for people it regards as hard-core
terrorists."



http://www.utne.com/web_special/web_...s/10572-1.html

Michael Lawson wrote:

So, which is it? "Death camp" where thousands are killed
for the crime of being jewish/muslim/whatever, or a prison
camp that has an execution chamber, where those who have
been convicted of capital crimes can be executed?

(snipped)


If all it takes for you to absolve the US of war crimes is the VOLUME
of people processed through the 'execution chambers', you are one sick
puppy.

Convicted? How? There no courts. No witnesses. Prisoners can not be
killed at the whim of the victors. Geneva doesn't apply to you?

As for doing something, I am. Maroon 'Ace' keeps saying he's invading
us. I'll just wait. Master Maroon Fort agrees with him in everything
he says.

My heart goes out to the Decent Americans everywhere who are shaking
their heads in disbelief and sorrow as the neocons dismantle the
integrity of a once proud Nation.




mike

m II wrote:

Michael Lawson wrote:

So, which is it? "Death camp" where thousands are killed
for the crime of being jewish/muslim/whatever, or a prison
camp that has an execution chamber, where those who have
been convicted of capital crimes can be executed?

(snipped)

If all it takes for you to absolve the US of war crimes is the VOLUME
of people processed through the 'execution chambers', you are one sick
puppy.

Convicted? How? There no courts. No witnesses. Prisoners can not be
killed at the whim of the victors. Geneva doesn't apply to you?

As for doing something, I am. Maroon 'Ace' keeps saying he's invading
us. I'll just wait. Master Maroon Fort agrees with him in everything
he says.

My heart goes out to the Decent Americans everywhere who are shaking
their heads in disbelief and sorrow as the neocons dismantle the
integrity of a once proud Nation.

Versus never able to be proud CanaDuh?

Now go pay allegience to your colonial masters, 'tard boy.

I hear the bonny prince is casting about for a new boyfriend.

LMAO

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Know what's on the canuk dimes? I heard tell their queen is on one side
and a beaver is on the other side of their canuk dimes.
cuhulin

Didn't Canada outlaw the Bible? I wish them crazy canuks would come to
my house and just try!!! to outlaw my Bible!!! They would be in for a
mighty big supprise!!!
cuhulin

What, you've never heard of military tribunals for
military personnel?

My question stands, because the two are different
types. A member of the US military convicted of a
capital crime can be sentenced to death. Quite different
than executing prisoners of war or mass murder.

Does that make Nuremberg a "Death Camp"?? Hardly.
But the inference is there, because people were executed
there, that I because I think that the trials at Nuremberg
were justified as were the outcome, that I must be one
sick puppy. Or that because I feel that a guy by the
name of Dahmer should have been executed, I am a sick
puppy.

--Mike L.


"m II" wrote in message
news:914ud.3745$eb3.2812@clgrps13...
Michael Lawson wrote:

So, which is it? "Death camp" where thousands are killed
for the crime of being jewish/muslim/whatever, or a prison
camp that has an execution chamber, where those who have
been convicted of capital crimes can be executed?

(snipped)


If all it takes for you to absolve the US of war crimes is the
VOLUME
of people processed through the 'execution chambers', you are one
sick
puppy.

Convicted? How? There no courts. No witnesses. Prisoners can not be
killed at the whim of the victors. Geneva doesn't apply to you?

As for doing something, I am. Maroon 'Ace' keeps saying he's
invading
us. I'll just wait. Master Maroon Fort agrees with him in everything
he says.

My heart goes out to the Decent Americans everywhere who are shaking
their heads in disbelief and sorrow as the neocons dismantle the
integrity of a once proud Nation.




mike

Michael Lawson wrote:

What, you've never heard of military tribunals for
military personnel?

I'm a pessimist. Remember Calley taking the fall? There seem to be
'justice' only when someone is trying to save face in front of the
media. A soldier also knows what the deal is when signing up.
Prisoners are treated differently and rightfully so.


My question stands, because the two are different
types. A member of the US military convicted of a
capital crime can be sentenced to death. Quite different
than executing prisoners of war or mass murder.

We were talking about killing captured enemy combatants...or in the US
case, captured enemy non combatants. Killing a captured unarmed enemy
soldier is plain wrong. You know it.


Does that make Nuremberg a "Death Camp"?? Hardly.
But the inference is there, because people were executed
there, that I because I think that the trials at Nuremberg
were justified as were the outcome, that I must be one
sick puppy.

Nuremberg wasn't done unilaterally by the US. It was decided there
that the chain of command, up to the top was guilty. Why does this
same decision then NOT apply to the US military? Why was Bush trying
to get immunity from the UN even BEFORE the atrocities started? If we
now apply what was decided at Nuremberg, half the US military would be
either hung or in prison, along with Perle, Wolfowitz, Cheney,
Bush..etc..

Using Nuremberg in context to the middle East, is counterproductive.
Russian camps in Siberia were evil. Why are the US camps in Cuba and
everywhere else not?


Or that because I feel that a guy by the
name of Dahmer should have been executed, I am a sick
puppy.

I should not have used that phrase. The death penalty is nothing more
than revenge killing. If the Arabs are looked upon so badly for doing
revenge killings, why do it here? If you want legalize revenge
killings, fine, let the families deal with the perpetrators as their
consciences allow. The state has no business in the death trade.

The death sentence isn't even a deterrent. Look at Texas. If the death
penalty worked as a deterrent, that would be the state with the best
behaved and courteous people in your country. It isn't.

If someone does get a life sentence, then it should mean that. They
work on a State run farm (NOT Halliburton) growing food and making
clothes. They get paid minimum wage, which is immediately sent to any
family they have left behind. That cuts down on the welfare rolls.

A REAL life sentence is a bigger deterrent to crime than some death
penalty that may or may not be carried out..in five or ten or twenty
years. Not forgetting all those tried on faulty evidence or just
framed to get convictions.


mike