The issue, or question is whether an antena tuner can selectively
increase one signal within the mishmash of other stuff you are hearing.
If you receiver is hearing an ambient noise level that is above the
internally noise floor within the receiver then an antenna tuner will
only bring that ambient noise leveI up. If you were hearing Radio Fly
Speck against a background of static and weaker stations, then
adjusting an antenna tuner will increase the signal strength of
everything including RFS. It won't magically lift just that single
station from the mud.

Said another way it isn't possible for a tuner change the difference in
signal strength between the desired signal and all the other signals
that are competing for your ear on the same frequency.

I've tried both MFJ and Grove tuners and the end results were the same.
Tuners can be fun if you want to twiddle some knobs.

wrote:

The issue, or question is whether an antena tuner can selectively
increase one signal within the mishmash of other stuff you are hearing.
If you receiver is hearing an ambient noise level that is above the
internally noise floor within the receiver then an antenna tuner will
only bring that ambient noise leveI up. If you were hearing Radio Fly
Speck against a background of static and weaker stations, then
adjusting an antenna tuner will increase the signal strength of
everything including RFS. It won't magically lift just that single
station from the mud.

Said another way it isn't possible for a tuner change the difference in
signal strength between the desired signal and all the other signals
that are competing for your ear on the same frequency.

I've tried both MFJ and Grove tuners and the end results were the same.
Tuners can be fun if you want to twiddle some knobs.

You've missed the point, as I stated earlier!

Have fun.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

You've missed the point, as I stated earlier!


I use an antenna tuner also. An old Johnson Matchbox.

Yes, it indeed will raise up a very week signal which may not
even be audible without a tuner. What is occurring is that the tuner
will facilitate the transfer of energy from a large impedance (Z) mismatch
between the
antenna and the receiver when the receiver is tuned far off from the
antenna's
resonance frequency.

The drawback is that you will have to "tune" the tuner each time you change
bands.

It has nothing to do with static and noise. The tuner will simply optimize
the signal transfer
, including noise, between the antenna/feedline and receiver. Sometimes
this is all that may
be required to "hear" the signal which otherwise would be completely lost
from the large
impedance mismatch.

tianli wrote:


You've missed the point, as I stated earlier!


I use an antenna tuner also. An old Johnson Matchbox.

Yes, it indeed will raise up a very week signal which may not
even be audible without a tuner. What is occurring is that the tuner
will facilitate the transfer of energy from a large impedance (Z) mismatch
between the
antenna and the receiver when the receiver is tuned far off from the
antenna's
resonance frequency.

The drawback is that you will have to "tune" the tuner each time you change
bands.

It has nothing to do with static and noise. The tuner will simply optimize
the signal transfer
, including noise, between the antenna/feedline and receiver. Sometimes
this is all that may
be required to "hear" the signal which otherwise would be completely lost
from the large
impedance mismatch.

Yep, you got it!

dxAce
Michigan
USA

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wrote:
The issue, or question is whether an antena tuner can selectively
increase one signal within the mishmash of other stuff you are hearing.
If you receiver is hearing an ambient noise level that is above the
internally noise floor within the receiver then an antenna tuner will
only bring that ambient noise leveI up. If you were hearing Radio Fly
Speck against a background of static and weaker stations, then
adjusting an antenna tuner will increase the signal strength of
everything including RFS. It won't magically lift just that single
station from the mud.

But if some of that noise is intermod in your receiver because of
nearby strong signals, a preselector may help. A better receiver will,
too.

Said another way it isn't possible for a tuner change the difference in
signal strength between the desired signal and all the other signals
that are competing for your ear on the same frequency.

I've tried both MFJ and Grove tuners and the end results were the same.
Tuners can be fun if you want to twiddle some knobs.

I've got a Grove minituner-tun3, and it's useless above about 2 MHz with
a 60 foot or so random wire. But it's the only way to get anything on
that wire below 500 kHz. So it's real function seems to be matching a
short (relative to the signal's wavelength) high impedance antenna to
the receiver's 50 ohm input.

Mark Zenier Washington State resident