"Ralph Mowery" wrote:

:
: "ZZZPK" .es.it.net wrote
: in message ...
: "Caveat Lector" wrote:
:
: : In our area -- VE exam tests are sent at 14 to 15 wpm with the spacing
: : adjusted to 5 wpm overall.
:
: so its not 5wpm then ?
:
:
: There are two ways to define the 5 WPM. One is slow dots and dashes at the
: rate of 5 wpm. The other way is to send each character at a higher speed
: but spaced out. The same number of characters are sent in one minuit. Then
: you have to count the numbers and punctuation as 2 characters each but lets
: not get into that. I was thinking the standard way was the 13 to 15 wpm
: sending with long 5 wpm spacing.


you forget that the spacing between the dits+dahs are also governed by the
same speed/rhythm.

therefore...sending faster sounds requires faster silence-gaps...therefore
everything at 12wpm which is not 5wpm.

to be 5wpm, the sounds and the gaps must be at the same speed or it aint
5wpm.
by all means learn morse with faster characters with longer gaps...but
only so that the training allows the gaps to be shortened.

true morse has all elements sent at the same rhythm (even the silent bits)

To be more precise on "true Morse Sending";

Each dit is one element, each dah is three elements, intra-character spacing
is one element, inter-character spacing is three elements and inter-word
spacing is seven elements. The word PARIS is exactly 50 elements.

Thus lets look at just 2 characters of Paris sent;

Note that after each dit/dah of the letter P -- one element spacing is used
except the last one. (Intra-Character).
After the last dit of P is sent, 3 elements are added (Inter-Character).
Thus:
P
di da da di
1 1 3 1 3 1 1 (3) = 14 elements
A
di da
1 1 3 (3) = 8 elements
ETC until the last letter S is sent then After the word PARIS - 7 elements
are used.

Going thru the rest of the word Paris

If you send PARIS 5 times in a minute (5WPM) you have sent 250 elements
(using correct spacing). 250 elements into 60 seconds per minute = 240
milliseconds per element.

13 words-per-minute is one element every 92.31 milliseconds.

The Farnsworth method sends the dits and dahs and intra-character spacing at
a higher speed, then increasing the inter-character and inter-word spacing
to slow the sending speed down to the overall speed. For example, to send at
5 wpm with 13 wpm characters in Farnsworth method, the dits and
intra-character spacing would be 92.3 milliseconds, the dah would be 276.9
milliseconds, the inter-character spacing would be 1.443 seconds and
inter-word spacing would be 3.367 seconds.


That help ???



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"ZZZPK" .es.it.net wrote
in message ...
"Ralph Mowery" wrote:

:
: "ZZZPK" .es.it.net
wrote
: in message ...
: "Caveat Lector" wrote:
:
: : In our area -- VE exam tests are sent at 14 to 15 wpm with the
spacing
: : adjusted to 5 wpm overall.
:
: so its not 5wpm then ?
:
:
: There are two ways to define the 5 WPM. One is slow dots and dashes at
the
: rate of 5 wpm. The other way is to send each character at a higher
speed
: but spaced out. The same number of characters are sent in one minuit.
Then
: you have to count the numbers and punctuation as 2 characters each but
lets
: not get into that. I was thinking the standard way was the 13 to 15 wpm
: sending with long 5 wpm spacing.


you forget that the spacing between the dits+dahs are also governed by the
same speed/rhythm.

therefore...sending faster sounds requires faster silence-gaps...therefore
everything at 12wpm which is not 5wpm.

to be 5wpm, the sounds and the gaps must be at the same speed or it aint
5wpm.
by all means learn morse with faster characters with longer gaps...but
only so that the training allows the gaps to be shortened.

true morse has all elements sent at the same rhythm (even the silent bits)

"ZZZPK" .es.it.net wrote
in message ...

I see in your headers that you've written "spammers + 419's will have their
emails addrs published here" followed by some email addresses. While I think
it's a lovely idea, I feel compelled to ask...are you sure these are
legitimate addresses? That is, the addresses of the spammers themselves? My
e-mail address has been hijacked -twice- by spammers. Imagine logging on one
morning to find dozens of e-mails in your inbox that say "Invalid address",
"Undeliverable" etc., as you sit there and wonder how many actually went
through...and how many people are going to send you back some -really- nasty
letters. gbg Personally, as far as spammers go I'd like to see someone
pound a hook through their scrotum (if they're so equipped) and then drag
them through the town square for our amusement. But I suppose I should keep
my fantasies to myself.

I have frineds who work in the IT universe
who hold the individual from who the
spam comes from responsable.
Their viewpoint, rather hars but with
some logic, is that it is each users
responsability to keep their PC
patched and up to date, and to
be aware neough to prevent such
"hijackings".
I don't know if their viewpoint is
reasoable, but I do know that the
place I work hold each person
completley responsable for
their work computr. Several people
have lost their network connection
as a direct result of having their PC
hacked. Makes me damn carefull about
where I visist and what Emails I open.
And we have a interprise wide ban on
IE and Outlook. And inspite of what Microsoft
says, both can be removed from 98SE, ME,
w000, and EX pro. The techs bring up "your"
work computer, aplly patches to remove
IE/Outlook and hand it over to to the end user.
Tough but we don't have many viri floating around
our intranet. And they fired some clown who
thought he was too cool for the rules when he
installed a peer to peer client on his work PC.
Took them less then 20 minutes to nail him,
another 20 to walk him trough the exit paper
work and an addional 90 seconds to walk him
to his car. And we don't let anyone else use or
work PCs. Kind of strict, but we have very few
problems.
If you don't donwload crap from the net, avoid
bait sites, don't use ie or outlook, don't open
"stange" email, you as a rule, don't get hacked.
Terry

Apparently, you aren't too familiar with how spammers "hijack" e-mail
addresses.
When they "hijack" an e-mail address, it is just the address that they
use and put as the sender and reply-to. They don't actually use your
computer. If they were to be using your computer, then it would show up in
the IP addresses that are in the message source. I have a couple of Yahoo
accounts that happens to all the time. I receive a message stating that an
e-mail was undeliverable, but obviously wasn't sent by me or from my actual
account. When you look at the message source of the e-mail, it is often
times originating in Korea or China. That is why a lot of spam blocking
software, automatically block everything from those two countries.

Guy P. Distaffen

KB0SWS

wrote in message
oups.com...
I have frineds who work in the IT universe
who hold the individual from who the
spam comes from responsable.
Their viewpoint, rather hars but with
some logic, is that it is each users
responsability to keep their PC
patched and up to date, and to
be aware neough to prevent such
"hijackings".
I don't know if their viewpoint is
reasoable, but I do know that the
place I work hold each person
completley responsable for
their work computr. Several people
have lost their network connection
as a direct result of having their PC
hacked. Makes me damn carefull about
where I visist and what Emails I open.
And we have a interprise wide ban on
IE and Outlook. And inspite of what Microsoft
says, both can be removed from 98SE, ME,
w000, and EX pro. The techs bring up "your"
work computer, aplly patches to remove
IE/Outlook and hand it over to to the end user.
Tough but we don't have many viri floating around
our intranet. And they fired some clown who
thought he was too cool for the rules when he
installed a peer to peer client on his work PC.
Took them less then 20 minutes to nail him,
another 20 to walk him trough the exit paper
work and an addional 90 seconds to walk him
to his car. And we don't let anyone else use or
work PCs. Kind of strict, but we have very few
problems.
If you don't donwload crap from the net, avoid
bait sites, don't use ie or outlook, don't open
"stange" email, you as a rule, don't get hacked.
Terry

wrote in message
oups.com...
I have frineds who work in the IT universe
who hold the individual from who the
spam comes from responsable.

If this is directed at me, you've misunderstood me. I should have been more
clear, and I'll take the blame for the misunderstanding. My machine wasn't
compromised in any way. Someone merely used my e-mail address for their
entry in the "from" field. Nothing came from my machine; the headers were
spoofed.

Yes, simply by doing what this guy says you can dodge the vast majority of
hacks.

wrote in message
oups.com...
I have frineds who work in the IT universe
who hold the individual from who the
spam comes from responsable.
Their viewpoint, rather hars but with
some logic, is that it is each users
responsability to keep their PC
patched and up to date, and to
be aware neough to prevent such
"hijackings".
I don't know if their viewpoint is
reasoable, but I do know that the
place I work hold each person
completley responsable for
their work computr. Several people
have lost their network connection
as a direct result of having their PC
hacked. Makes me damn carefull about
where I visist and what Emails I open.
And we have a interprise wide ban on
IE and Outlook. And inspite of what Microsoft
says, both can be removed from 98SE, ME,
w000, and EX pro. The techs bring up "your"
work computer, aplly patches to remove
IE/Outlook and hand it over to to the end user.
Tough but we don't have many viri floating around
our intranet. And they fired some clown who
thought he was too cool for the rules when he
installed a peer to peer client on his work PC.
Took them less then 20 minutes to nail him,
another 20 to walk him trough the exit paper
work and an addional 90 seconds to walk him
to his car. And we don't let anyone else use or
work PCs. Kind of strict, but we have very few
problems.
If you don't donwload crap from the net, avoid
bait sites, don't use ie or outlook, don't open
"stange" email, you as a rule, don't get hacked.
Terry

I never use my computer I bought last year from www.velocitymicro.com
(ProMagix tower computer) for emailing or visiting websites I do not
absolutely trust.(I can use my stupid webtv box and check out websites
to detrmine if they have a virus before I access them with my computer)
There is a guy in one of the webtv alt.discuss.computers news group who
said I don't know a damn thing about computers (I do not know much about
useing my computer,,,, yet,I am learning) and he said my computer isn't
even connected to the internet. www.twcjam.com (anybody wants
proof,come see for yourselfs) How would he know? Does he have Superman's
X-Ray eyes and telescopic vision? I also have Norton System Works 2005
with GoBack and my computer has Windows XP Home Edition.
cuhulin