On 18 Feb 2005 12:41:13 -0800, "Hatfield"
wrote:

If the *mainstream news providers have betrayed the people*, then the
people, sitting on their living room couches, will not be happy with
the newscast they are now watching. And so they will simply pick up the
handy clicker and change the channel !!

So not to worry, David, America is free to watch what we want, and free
to give poor viewer ratings to any news outlet which we distrust. Which
will cause their advertisers to start sponsoring other media channels
whose excellent ratings indicate the people are well pleased with their
content quality.

So really, David, thanks to capitalism and individual freedom, as
opposed to Government ownership and control, the problem you report is
(at least in America) automatically self correcting.

God bless America!.

Those people may as well be sitting on their couches shooting heroin.
There is virtually no real news on TV.

"David" wrote in message
...
| On 18 Feb 2005 12:41:13 -0800, "Hatfield"
| wrote:

| If the *mainstream news providers have betrayed the people*, then the
| people, sitting on their living room couches, will not be happy with
| the newscast they are now watching. And so they will simply pick up the
| handy clicker and change the channel !!

| So not to worry, David, America is free to watch what we want, and free
| to give poor viewer ratings to any news outlet which we distrust. Which
| will cause their advertisers to start sponsoring other media channels
| whose excellent ratings indicate the people are well pleased with their
| content quality.

| So really, David, thanks to capitalism and individual freedom, as
| opposed to Government ownership and control, the problem you report is
| (at least in America) automatically self correcting.

| God bless America!.

| Those people may as well be sitting on their couches shooting heroin.
| There is virtually no real news on TV.

Wow, this thread is almost on-topic!

But the flag-waver needs a reality check. Unless he's a frequent listener of
news sources outside of the U-S (my favourite is the CBC, but the Beeb will do)
the idea that market forces will "correct" this oversight fails to realise that
market forces have created this problem in the first place.

The first thing I'd do, if I were running things, is oblige licencees to run a
minimum amount of news sustaining (although I'm not sure what I'd do with
all-news stations) as a condition of licence. By taking out the financial
segment of the equation we might get the real news once again. As with
everything else in America, the money has corrupted the process to the point
where it's unrecognisable from the industry of the past, where true
investigative journalism overturned administrations, corrected social imbalances
and played a role in making the U-S the beacon of freedom it once was. But of
course, it's the flag-wavers who don't really want it that way, anyway, just so
long as things stay the same for them. And (it's worth noting, not that you
don't already know) there are plenty of countries where government "ownership"
does not come with government control....often, in truly free societies, it's
the government-owned media that is the biggest critic of its government. But
the flag-wavers don't know that, either.
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:01:18 GMT, "Bob Haberkost"
wrote:

Wow, this thread is almost on-topic!

But the flag-waver needs a reality check. Unless he's a frequent listener of
news sources outside of the U-S (my favourite is the CBC, but the Beeb will do)
the idea that market forces will "correct" this oversight fails to realise that
market forces have created this problem in the first place.

That's one really nice thing about Sirius Satellite. They have the
BBC World Service News 24/7, along with the CBC on World Radio Network
on PRI which carries ''As It Happens'' live.

Once you get the International News habit, you realize that the masses
are being brainwashed by the US commercial media. No other word for
it.

(X)Tard Boy

I get the bbcAmerica tb channel on my DirecTV (DirecTB) tv set several
times a day and night.I rarely ever tune in though.I get my news from
certain right wing radio talk show stations I like and from certain
right wing internet sites I like.
cuhulin

BBC America TV and the BBC World Service are 2 completely different
entities.

On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 13:59:59 -0600, wrote:

I get the bbcAmerica tb channel on my DirecTV (DirecTB) tv set several
times a day and night.I rarely ever tune in though.I get my news from
certain right wing radio talk show stations I like and from certain
right wing internet sites I like.
cuhulin

"David" wrote in message
...
| On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:01:18 GMT, "Bob Haberkost"
| wrote:

| Wow, this thread is almost on-topic!

| But the flag-waver needs a reality check. Unless he's a frequent listener of
| news sources outside of the U-S (my favourite is the CBC, but the Beeb will
do)
| the idea that market forces will "correct" this oversight fails to realise
that
| market forces have created this problem in the first place.

| That's one really nice thing about Sirius Satellite. They have the
| BBC World Service News 24/7, along with the CBC on World Radio Network
| on PRI which carries ''As It Happens'' live.

Actually, a relatively insignificant correction: As It Happens as cleared by PRI
on Sirius 108 is already 1-1/2 hours later than when it aired, live, to the
Maritimes. You can get As It Happens on the Atlantic zone feed at
www.cbc.ca/audio.html, starting at 5:30pm ET. Further, PRI only clears the
first hour of AIH. AIH is well aware of what airs in the U-S, and, while I
wouldn't say it's deliberate, that last segment has a certain status, as such
it's quite a treat to listen to the last 30 minutes, using whatever other means
you might have. The most recent piece I heard in that last segment was that the
Pentagon had, a number of years ago, commissioned some research to see if Viagra
could be used to create a "gay bomb", whichwould be used on the enemy to so
thouroughly distract them with the rapture of coitus with others in their
platoon. So you can see, the folks who run the Pentagon really are homophobic.
You'll find it in the last 6 minutes of this archive
(http://cbc.ca/asithappens/media/dail...01-14-aih3.ram) if you're
interested.

| Once you get the International News habit, you realize that the masses
| are being brainwashed by the US commercial media. No other word for
| it.

Long convinced of that, here. I don't take any of my news anymore unless I get
it "vetted" by seeing a similar report from outside the country. We're really
in trouble when (and not to make it seem that I'm too paranoid, I should
probably amend that to "if") filters go up to prohibit the masses from listening
to outside sources. It's already been shown that the northern border states
are, by virtue of their exposure to Canadian media outlets, better informed and
more tolerant than those in the central and southern U-S. Not that it's a
primary reason, but the effects are certainly measureable. You have to wonder,
though, how it can be that people who listen to shortwave (as the cross-post'ed
newsgroup suggests...I'm looking at alt.radio.broadcast myself) don't get a wiff
of what's happening outside their own little worlds, where the U-S is best,
because they live in it.
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Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by
evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious
encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding." -- Justice
Brandeis
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
For direct replies, take out the contents between the hyphens. -Really!-

Bob Haberkost wrote:

"David" wrote in message
...
| On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:01:18 GMT, "Bob Haberkost"
| wrote:

| Wow, this thread is almost on-topic!

| But the flag-waver needs a reality check. Unless he's a frequent listener of
| news sources outside of the U-S (my favourite is the CBC, but the Beeb will
do)
| the idea that market forces will "correct" this oversight fails to realise
that
| market forces have created this problem in the first place.

| That's one really nice thing about Sirius Satellite. They have the
| BBC World Service News 24/7, along with the CBC on World Radio Network
| on PRI which carries ''As It Happens'' live.

Actually, a relatively insignificant correction: As It Happens as cleared by PRI
on Sirius 108 is already 1-1/2 hours later than when it aired, live, to the
Maritimes. You can get As It Happens on the Atlantic zone feed at
www.cbc.ca/audio.html, starting at 5:30pm ET. Further, PRI only clears the
first hour of AIH. AIH is well aware of what airs in the U-S, and, while I
wouldn't say it's deliberate, that last segment has a certain status, as such
it's quite a treat to listen to the last 30 minutes, using whatever other means
you might have. The most recent piece I heard in that last segment was that the
Pentagon had, a number of years ago, commissioned some research to see if Viagra
could be used to create a "gay bomb", whichwould be used on the enemy to so
thouroughly distract them with the rapture of coitus with others in their
platoon. So you can see, the folks who run the Pentagon really are homophobic.
You'll find it in the last 6 minutes of this archive
(http://cbc.ca/asithappens/media/dail...01-14-aih3.ram) if you're
interested.

| Once you get the International News habit, you realize that the masses
| are being brainwashed by the US commercial media. No other word for
| it.

Long convinced of that, here. I don't take any of my news anymore unless I get
it "vetted" by seeing a similar report from outside the country. We're really
in trouble when (and not to make it seem that I'm too paranoid, I should
probably amend that to "if") filters go up to prohibit the masses from listening
to outside sources. It's already been shown that the northern border states
are, by virtue of their exposure to Canadian media outlets, better informed and
more tolerant than those in the central and southern U-S. Not that it's a
primary reason, but the effects are certainly measureable. You have to wonder,
though, how it can be that people who listen to shortwave (as the cross-post'ed
newsgroup suggests...I'm looking at alt.radio.broadcast myself) don't get a wiff
of what's happening outside their own little worlds, where the U-S is best,
because they live in it.

Yep, we all be stooopid.

LMAO at the 'tard boy.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

| Bob Haberkost wrote:

| "David" wrote in message
| ...
| | On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:01:18 GMT, "Bob Haberkost"
| | wrote:

| | Wow, this thread is almost on-topic!

| Yep, we all be stooopid.

Are you still here? And it's spelled stupfed.
--
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by
evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious
encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding." -- Justice
Brandeis
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
For direct replies, take out the contents between the hyphens. -Really!-

dxAce wrote:

Yep, we all be stooopid.

LMAO at the 'tard boy.

dxAce
Michigan
USA




Your head injuries are acting up again. Lay off the booze and go sleep
for a while, ok?




mike

Bob Haberkost wrote:


"David" wrote in message
...
| On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:01:18 GMT, "Bob Haberkost"
| wrote:

| Wow, this thread is almost on-topic!

| But the flag-waver needs a reality check. Unless he's a frequent listener of
| news sources outside of the U-S (my favourite is the CBC, but the Beeb will
do)
| the idea that market forces will "correct" this oversight fails to realise
that
| market forces have created this problem in the first place.

| That's one really nice thing about Sirius Satellite. They have the
| BBC World Service News 24/7, along with the CBC on World Radio Network
| on PRI which carries ''As It Happens'' live.

Actually, a relatively insignificant correction: As It Happens as cleared by PRI
on Sirius 108 is already 1-1/2 hours later than when it aired, live, to the
Maritimes. You can get As It Happens on the Atlantic zone feed at
www.cbc.ca/audio.html, starting at 5:30pm ET. Further, PRI only clears the
first hour of AIH. AIH is well aware of what airs in the U-S, and, while I
wouldn't say it's deliberate, that last segment has a certain status, as such
it's quite a treat to listen to the last 30 minutes, using whatever other means
you might have. The most recent piece I heard in that last segment was that the
Pentagon had, a number of years ago, commissioned some research to see if Viagra
could be used to create a "gay bomb", whichwould be used on the enemy to so
thouroughly distract them with the rapture of coitus with others in their
platoon. So you can see, the folks who run the Pentagon really are homophobic.
You'll find it in the last 6 minutes of this archive
(http://cbc.ca/asithappens/media/dail...01-14-aih3.ram) if you're
interested.

Is AIH on RCI shortwave? My internet connection isn't all that great...

The "gay bomb" idea is too funny, even if it is homophobic. Imagine a
drug that can be sprayed on an enemy, and suddenly the attacked feel an
overwhelming urge to ass**** each other, and they do so until the
ass****-free American troops rush in and force them to surrender in less
time than it takes for them to pull their cocks out of each other's
butts. Of course, the drug would work both ways, and spraying it on
American troops would produce an even more extreme result. Now imagine
it sprayed by terrorists from a crop duster over San Francisco...

The guys at the Pentagon have some really weird ideas.


| Once you get the International News habit, you realize that the masses
| are being brainwashed by the US commercial media. No other word for
| it.

Long convinced of that, here. I don't take any of my news anymore unless I get
it "vetted" by seeing a similar report from outside the country. We're really
in trouble when (and not to make it seem that I'm too paranoid, I should
probably amend that to "if") filters go up to prohibit the masses from listening
to outside sources. It's already been shown that the northern border states
are, by virtue of their exposure to Canadian media outlets, better informed and
more tolerant than those in the central and southern U-S. Not that it's a
primary reason, but the effects are certainly measureable. You have to wonder,
though, how it can be that people who listen to shortwave (as the cross-post'ed
newsgroup suggests...I'm looking at alt.radio.broadcast myself) don't get a wiff
of what's happening outside their own little worlds, where the U-S is best,
because they live in it.


I have no idea. I'm reading from the shortwave group, and I can say for
myself that I TRY to listen to the BBC every night-that is when local
interference isn't playing havoc with the reception. I also like
listening to Radio Havana Cuba-they're not so strident in their
anti-American rhetoric anymore, and their perspective is truly unique.
For example, the latest prisoner abuse scandal that was reported by
America's ABC-TV as simply being "guns pointed at the heads of
detainees" was reported by the Cubans to involve quite a bit more,
including physical abuse (punching and kicking, but no sexual stuff this
time). Who's right? Who knows? As for the Canadians, The World At Six
comes on at 5 pm my local time, and I choose to watch the local news
instead (gotta get the weather report). But As It Happens is earlier,
although I'll probably miss that too since my upcoming new job will
likely require me to work early afternoons.

I figure that the majority of shortwave listeners in the US listen to
DOMESTIC shortwave, which is why rec.radio.shortwave is so full of
loonies.



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