"David" wrote in message
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| On 18 Feb 2005 12:41:13 -0800, "Hatfield"
| wrote:

| If the *mainstream news providers have betrayed the people*, then the
| people, sitting on their living room couches, will not be happy with
| the newscast they are now watching. And so they will simply pick up the
| handy clicker and change the channel !!

| So not to worry, David, America is free to watch what we want, and free
| to give poor viewer ratings to any news outlet which we distrust. Which
| will cause their advertisers to start sponsoring other media channels
| whose excellent ratings indicate the people are well pleased with their
| content quality.

| So really, David, thanks to capitalism and individual freedom, as
| opposed to Government ownership and control, the problem you report is
| (at least in America) automatically self correcting.

| God bless America!.

| Those people may as well be sitting on their couches shooting heroin.
| There is virtually no real news on TV.

Wow, this thread is almost on-topic!

But the flag-waver needs a reality check. Unless he's a frequent listener of
news sources outside of the U-S (my favourite is the CBC, but the Beeb will do)
the idea that market forces will "correct" this oversight fails to realise that
market forces have created this problem in the first place.

The first thing I'd do, if I were running things, is oblige licencees to run a
minimum amount of news sustaining (although I'm not sure what I'd do with
all-news stations) as a condition of licence. By taking out the financial
segment of the equation we might get the real news once again. As with
everything else in America, the money has corrupted the process to the point
where it's unrecognisable from the industry of the past, where true
investigative journalism overturned administrations, corrected social imbalances
and played a role in making the U-S the beacon of freedom it once was. But of
course, it's the flag-wavers who don't really want it that way, anyway, just so
long as things stay the same for them. And (it's worth noting, not that you
don't already know) there are plenty of countries where government "ownership"
does not come with government control....often, in truly free societies, it's
the government-owned media that is the biggest critic of its government. But
the flag-wavers don't know that, either.
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evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious
encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding." -- Justice
Brandeis
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:01:18 GMT, "Bob Haberkost"
wrote:

Wow, this thread is almost on-topic!

But the flag-waver needs a reality check. Unless he's a frequent listener of
news sources outside of the U-S (my favourite is the CBC, but the Beeb will do)
the idea that market forces will "correct" this oversight fails to realise that
market forces have created this problem in the first place.

That's one really nice thing about Sirius Satellite. They have the
BBC World Service News 24/7, along with the CBC on World Radio Network
on PRI which carries ''As It Happens'' live.

Once you get the International News habit, you realize that the masses
are being brainwashed by the US commercial media. No other word for
it.

(X)Tard Boy

I get the bbcAmerica tb channel on my DirecTV (DirecTB) tv set several
times a day and night.I rarely ever tune in though.I get my news from
certain right wing radio talk show stations I like and from certain
right wing internet sites I like.
cuhulin

BBC America TV and the BBC World Service are 2 completely different
entities.

On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 13:59:59 -0600, wrote:

I get the bbcAmerica tb channel on my DirecTV (DirecTB) tv set several
times a day and night.I rarely ever tune in though.I get my news from
certain right wing radio talk show stations I like and from certain
right wing internet sites I like.
cuhulin

"David" wrote in message
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| On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:01:18 GMT, "Bob Haberkost"
| wrote:

| Wow, this thread is almost on-topic!

| But the flag-waver needs a reality check. Unless he's a frequent listener of
| news sources outside of the U-S (my favourite is the CBC, but the Beeb will
do)
| the idea that market forces will "correct" this oversight fails to realise
that
| market forces have created this problem in the first place.

| That's one really nice thing about Sirius Satellite. They have the
| BBC World Service News 24/7, along with the CBC on World Radio Network
| on PRI which carries ''As It Happens'' live.

Actually, a relatively insignificant correction: As It Happens as cleared by PRI
on Sirius 108 is already 1-1/2 hours later than when it aired, live, to the
Maritimes. You can get As It Happens on the Atlantic zone feed at
www.cbc.ca/audio.html, starting at 5:30pm ET. Further, PRI only clears the
first hour of AIH. AIH is well aware of what airs in the U-S, and, while I
wouldn't say it's deliberate, that last segment has a certain status, as such
it's quite a treat to listen to the last 30 minutes, using whatever other means
you might have. The most recent piece I heard in that last segment was that the
Pentagon had, a number of years ago, commissioned some research to see if Viagra
could be used to create a "gay bomb", whichwould be used on the enemy to so
thouroughly distract them with the rapture of coitus with others in their
platoon. So you can see, the folks who run the Pentagon really are homophobic.
You'll find it in the last 6 minutes of this archive
(http://cbc.ca/asithappens/media/dail...01-14-aih3.ram) if you're
interested.

| Once you get the International News habit, you realize that the masses
| are being brainwashed by the US commercial media. No other word for
| it.

Long convinced of that, here. I don't take any of my news anymore unless I get
it "vetted" by seeing a similar report from outside the country. We're really
in trouble when (and not to make it seem that I'm too paranoid, I should
probably amend that to "if") filters go up to prohibit the masses from listening
to outside sources. It's already been shown that the northern border states
are, by virtue of their exposure to Canadian media outlets, better informed and
more tolerant than those in the central and southern U-S. Not that it's a
primary reason, but the effects are certainly measureable. You have to wonder,
though, how it can be that people who listen to shortwave (as the cross-post'ed
newsgroup suggests...I'm looking at alt.radio.broadcast myself) don't get a wiff
of what's happening outside their own little worlds, where the U-S is best,
because they live in it.
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Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by
evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious
encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding." -- Justice
Brandeis
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For direct replies, take out the contents between the hyphens. -Really!-

Bob Haberkost wrote:

"David" wrote in message
...
| On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:01:18 GMT, "Bob Haberkost"
| wrote:

| Wow, this thread is almost on-topic!

| But the flag-waver needs a reality check. Unless he's a frequent listener of
| news sources outside of the U-S (my favourite is the CBC, but the Beeb will
do)
| the idea that market forces will "correct" this oversight fails to realise
that
| market forces have created this problem in the first place.

| That's one really nice thing about Sirius Satellite. They have the
| BBC World Service News 24/7, along with the CBC on World Radio Network
| on PRI which carries ''As It Happens'' live.

Actually, a relatively insignificant correction: As It Happens as cleared by PRI
on Sirius 108 is already 1-1/2 hours later than when it aired, live, to the
Maritimes. You can get As It Happens on the Atlantic zone feed at
www.cbc.ca/audio.html, starting at 5:30pm ET. Further, PRI only clears the
first hour of AIH. AIH is well aware of what airs in the U-S, and, while I
wouldn't say it's deliberate, that last segment has a certain status, as such
it's quite a treat to listen to the last 30 minutes, using whatever other means
you might have. The most recent piece I heard in that last segment was that the
Pentagon had, a number of years ago, commissioned some research to see if Viagra
could be used to create a "gay bomb", whichwould be used on the enemy to so
thouroughly distract them with the rapture of coitus with others in their
platoon. So you can see, the folks who run the Pentagon really are homophobic.
You'll find it in the last 6 minutes of this archive
(http://cbc.ca/asithappens/media/dail...01-14-aih3.ram) if you're
interested.

| Once you get the International News habit, you realize that the masses
| are being brainwashed by the US commercial media. No other word for
| it.

Long convinced of that, here. I don't take any of my news anymore unless I get
it "vetted" by seeing a similar report from outside the country. We're really
in trouble when (and not to make it seem that I'm too paranoid, I should
probably amend that to "if") filters go up to prohibit the masses from listening
to outside sources. It's already been shown that the northern border states
are, by virtue of their exposure to Canadian media outlets, better informed and
more tolerant than those in the central and southern U-S. Not that it's a
primary reason, but the effects are certainly measureable. You have to wonder,
though, how it can be that people who listen to shortwave (as the cross-post'ed
newsgroup suggests...I'm looking at alt.radio.broadcast myself) don't get a wiff
of what's happening outside their own little worlds, where the U-S is best,
because they live in it.

Yep, we all be stooopid.

LMAO at the 'tard boy.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

"dxAce" wrote in message
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| Bob Haberkost wrote:

| "David" wrote in message
| ...
| | On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:01:18 GMT, "Bob Haberkost"
| | wrote:

| | Wow, this thread is almost on-topic!

| Yep, we all be stooopid.

Are you still here? And it's spelled stupfed.
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Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by
evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious
encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding." -- Justice
Brandeis
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
For direct replies, take out the contents between the hyphens. -Really!-

Bob Haberkost wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

| Bob Haberkost wrote:

| "David" wrote in message
| ...
| | On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:01:18 GMT, "Bob Haberkost"
| | wrote:

| | Wow, this thread is almost on-topic!

| Yep, we all be stooopid.

Are you still here?

Did you think I was leaving, 'tard boy?

Guess again.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

"dxAce" wrote in message
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Bob Haberkost wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...

| Bob Haberkost wrote:

| "David" wrote in message
| ...
| | On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 16:01:18 GMT, "Bob Haberkost"
| | wrote:

| | Wow, this thread is almost on-topic!

| Yep, we all be stooopid.

Are you still here?

Did you think I was leaving, 'tard boy?

No, but hope reigns eternal.

dxAce wrote:

Yep, we all be stooopid.

LMAO at the 'tard boy.

dxAce
Michigan
USA




Your head injuries are acting up again. Lay off the booze and go sleep
for a while, ok?




mike