wrote:

the jewish groups who persecuted this guy as a danger to "western
freedoms" are the same ones with deep associations to israel, a country
who has made a habit out of counterfeiting Canadian passports for
terroristic murders world-wide. The threat to Canada is obvious and it
isnt Ernst Zundel

This OT post is about Zundel. Not about the policies or conduct of Israel.
Good riddance and may the Germans keep him locked up.

This OT post is about Zundel. =A0Not about the policies or conduct of
Israel.

Zundel and the policies of zionists is ALL this is about. Live with it
fool. You have no choice.

On 02/03/2005 6:36 AM, Al Patrick wrote:
You aren't free to express your thoughts - IF they don't meet the
politically correct mold - especially if your thoughts and speech happen
to deny the holocaust!

Hasn't there been one or more folks arrested in Germany for a book they
wrote in the U.S?

Well, Here's one whisked off to Germany, from Canada, so they could face
the charge of denying the holocaust!

Zundel tried and failed to get asylum in Canada as a political refugee.
Canada gave him and his lawyers plenty of opportunity to state his
case. More, in fact, than the average citizen want to give him. It
was determine his case had no merit and was refused, and he was deported
from Canada. He got the same chance to state his case as any innocent
or despot from any other country.

This was after being charged with distributing materials that are
contrary to Canada's new "hate crime" laws. When he couldn't make a go
of it in the U.S., he returned to Canada.

He is not a Canadian citizen, and was asked to leave. Something similar
happened in the U.S. I understand.

Since he is still (AFAIK) a citizen of Germany, it is one of the few
places he is "welcome."

Remember that "freedom" has two parts: there is "freedom to", and then
there is "freedom from." A truly free society has to find a balance
between these two, often opposing, notions. Many countries have decided
that freedom from Zundel's unsubstantiated and specious notions
regarding recent history is more important than a single individual's
freedom to spread hate propaganda.

What does this have to do with shortwave? Colour me guilty of
contributing to an OT posting.

clvrmnky wrote:

On 02/03/2005 6:36 AM, Al Patrick wrote:
You aren't free to express your thoughts - IF they don't meet the
politically correct mold - especially if your thoughts and speech happen
to deny the holocaust!

Hasn't there been one or more folks arrested in Germany for a book they
wrote in the U.S?

Well, Here's one whisked off to Germany, from Canada, so they could face
the charge of denying the holocaust!

Zundel tried and failed to get asylum in Canada as a political refugee.
Canada gave him and his lawyers plenty of opportunity to state his
case. More, in fact, than the average citizen want to give him. It
was determine his case had no merit and was refused, and he was deported
from Canada. He got the same chance to state his case as any innocent
or despot from any other country.

This was after being charged with distributing materials that are
contrary to Canada's new "hate crime" laws. When he couldn't make a go
of it in the U.S., he returned to Canada.

He is not a Canadian citizen, and was asked to leave. Something similar
happened in the U.S. I understand.

Since he is still (AFAIK) a citizen of Germany, it is one of the few
places he is "welcome."

Remember that "freedom" has two parts: there is "freedom to", and then
there is "freedom from." A truly free society has to find a balance
between these two, often opposing, notions. Many countries have decided
that freedom from Zundel's unsubstantiated and specious notions
regarding recent history is more important than a single individual's
freedom to spread hate propaganda.

What does this have to do with shortwave? Colour me guilty of
contributing to an OT posting.

Well, no it is not really OT as Zundel was on shortwave, and his supporters
apparently continue to air American Dissident Voices on WWRB.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

On 02/03/2005 12:51 PM, dxAce wrote:

clvrmnky wrote:
[...]
What does this have to do with shortwave? Colour me guilty of
contributing to an OT posting.


Well, no it is not really OT as Zundel was on shortwave, and his supporters
apparently continue to air American Dissident Voices on WWRB.

Ah, fair enough then.

clvrmnky wrote:

[...]
When he couldn't make a go
of it in the U.S., he returned to Canada.

[...]


That's completely false. He was kidnapped from his home in Tennessee
and sent to Canada in chains. See:

http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=422


With every good wish,


--

Kevin Alfred Strom.

News: http://www.nationalvanguard.org/
The Works of R. P. Oliver: http://www.revilo-oliver.com
Personal site: http://www.kevin-strom.com

Al Patrick wrote in
:

Hi Al and others. I can basically see by the responses to your post
which of the posters are Jewish and which aren't. Why don't we all just
check in, either by current religious affiliation or by the affiliation
that we most associated with as we grew up.

I'm Catholic.

How about the rest of you? It will help us all to see the logic behind
your responses.

Regardless of how many Jews died in the Holocaust, forcing people not of
Jewish heritage to constantly be reminded of how many Jews died does a
major disservice to the victims of other Holocausts before and since.

Examine the word Holocaust: For your edification, it is not a Jewish
term nor a term meant to apply exclusively to the debacle of WWII.

Main Entry: ho·lo·caust
Pronunciation: 'hO-l&-"kost, 'hä- also -"käst or 'ho-l&-kost
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Old French holocauste, from Late Latin
holocaustum, from Greek holokauston, from neuter of holokaustos burnt
whole, from hol- + kaustos burnt, from kaiein to burn -- more at CAUSTIC
1 : a sacrifice consumed by fire
2 : a thorough destruction involving extensive loss of life especially
through fire a nuclear holocaust 3 a often capitalized : the mass
slaughter of European civilians and especially Jews by the Nazis during
World War II -- usually used with the b : a mass slaughter of people;
especially :


Continuing, visit
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquer...30.108&sel=TOC
_5005& (or http://tinyurl.com/4lbwf )

It is estimated that one and a half million Armenians were killed.
(ARE MEAN KNEE INS, not A MARE A CANS)

From 1932 through 1933, this man-made famine lead to the death of 5
million of the politically resistant Ukranian people.

…………………..over six million Jews were murdered.

Khmer Rouge forced civilians into labor camps working for minimum
rations. In all, over two million civilians were killed.

As a result, approximately two million non-Muslim people have been
killed by the Islamic Front.

And it goes on and on and on and on, even in modern times.
http://www.genocidewatch.org/genocidetable.htm

There are ample resources to research this topic online. It is truly
tragic that any nation in the world would adopt Holocaust Denial laws.
We have very little freedoms left, and those salivating in this thread
to see anyone prosecuted for his/her justified/convoluted views on the
tragedy affecting others are truly pathetic.

'In Germany,
they first came for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a
Trade Unionists.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me,
and no one was left to speak up.'

(attributed to Pastor Martin Niemoeller, Dachau, Germany, 1941)

Perhaps now it should read,

In America,
they first came for the Jews,
and I had to speak up since I feared prosecution,
then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up since they were not Jewish,
Then they came for the Protestants,
and I didn't speak up since they were not Jewish,
Then they came for the Trade Unionists,
and I didn't speak up since they were not Jewish,
etc, (fill in your own lines)

Of course, those of you that are Jewish will likely react vehemently,
just as so many Jewish people did concerning "The Passion of the
Christ", you remember, the movie that was going to destroy Mel Gibson,
but that did quite the opposite. I remember the spokespeople from
various Jewish groups airing their view on how awful the movie was,
though they never saw it. Even when it became evident that they (the
spokespeople and the Jewish public at large) were carrying things to a
ridiculous extreme they nevertheless continued with their tirades.

G-d bless Israel and the Jewish people, (I believe that he already has),
and may G-d bring us understanding in our interrelations with them.

http://www.nkusa.org/

http://www.jewsforjesus.org/

http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/

Menorahs and more, I am serious, I like this site, but have not
purchased from there as of yet.

http://www.anymenorah.com

Dr. Artaud




You aren't free to express your thoughts - IF they don't meet the
politically correct mold - especially if your thoughts and speech
happen to deny the holocaust!

Hasn't there been one or more folks arrested in Germany for a book
they wrote in the U.S?

Well, Here's one whisked off to Germany, from Canada, so they could
face the charge of denying the holocaust!

Some interesting links you provided - as well as the comments.

========


Dr. Artaud wrote:

big snip


http://www.nkusa.org/

http://www.jewsforjesus.org/

http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/

http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/


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In article ,
says...
Al Patrick wrote in
:

Hi Al and others. I can basically see by the responses to your post
which of the posters are Jewish and which aren't. Why don't we all just
check in, either by current religious affiliation or by the affiliation
that we most associated with as we grew up.

I'm Catholic.

How about the rest of you? It will help us all to see the logic behind
your responses.



Ok, I'm French, Irish, and supposedly, Native American.

Not Jewish

BDK

BDK wrote:

..I'm French, Irish, and supposedly, Native American.

Not Jewish

BDK

Some people don't seem to really know until it is convenient to expose
the fact -- or when certain other events happen.

1) Didn't Clinton's "Fulbright" suddenly learn that she was jewish?
Oh, the hot air balloon concerning some former Russian satellite country
wanting to run her for president was probably just preparing the U.S.
people to accept the Cal. governor as a presidential candidate. Some
say he and Hillary may go head to head in '08.

2) I heard of another lady who found out when she was attempting to get
her name of the Catholic roles, I believe. Seems her parents had become
cryptic jews and were posing as Catholics. Don't recall all the
details, but expect I'll run across them again.