running dogg wrote:

* Dr. Artaud * wrote:

running dogg wrote in :

Here I sit, same situation. My random thoughts are usually used to drive
co-workers crazy, and I begin slipping later in the evening. Also, we
seem to be plagued with endless winter here, something that is taking its
toll on many people.

It was 85 degrees F in Sacramento today. Previous record was 81. Usually
when we get balmy conditions here, you guys back there get pounded with
snow/ice/etc. But don't worry, it's suppoed to be 68 and cloudy by
Monday here, which means that you guys might get a break.

-14 C here (a few degrees above 0 F), and snow.

running dogg wrote:

wrote:

How much are Kaito radios,about forty or fifty dollars? That would
probally be a good radio to take to Europe or wherever with you.Chances
are that if you have something nice and expensive in your luggage at the
airport(s) the item or items might get stolen by some crooked baggage
handlers.If you take a nice expensive radio with you it probally would
be best to hang on to it with your hands at all times.Don't let it out
of your sight no more than you would with a wris****ch or jewelry that
cost hundreds or thousands of dollars.
cuhulin

TSA (US airport security) checkers are poorly trained and vetted and
regularly help themselves to items in passengers' bags. Since Arnie is a
Canadian and he's going to Europe, he won't have to worry about the TSA,
but I don't know anything about security in Europe. Some countries are
probably better than others. Most Degen (Kaito) radios are $50 or so
when bought from Liypn over ebay, but I read on this group that Canadian
customs are confiscating all Degens sent from HK to Canada because Kaito
Canada complained that they were being undercut by Liypn. Still, at
Kaito's price ($100 in the US, probably a little more up north) it's a
radio that you don't have to fret over being grabbed by your friendly
local screener. I've heard that Sony products of all kinds are regularly
grabbed by TSA screeners, but most of them probably aren't smart enough
to have heard of Kaito, much less Degen. Other inexpensive Chinese
radios are a good bet to survive security. Arnie might try a Tecsun
bought over ebay, they don't have the same import restrictions and are
just about as expensive as Degen brand radios.

I have a YB-300, YB-400, ATS-606, ATS-909, and an Icom R-75. I'm not going
to buy a new radio to take. I usually travel with the 606, good size, good
reception. The most disposable of these is the YB300, which so far has
survived.

I don't think the CCRA (Cdn Customs and Revenue Agency) can confiscate a
legally imported product. They haven't the authority. They could charge
ridiculous duties however. I've appealed against them before and won.

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:35:17 -0800, running dogg wrote:
Artaud says that FRS radios are illegal in Europe,

Definitely. You won't go to jail as someone else suggested but you
could get the radios confiscated.

I
would definitely check into that before going. You may wish to buy
European compatible two ways online or if you can't do that buy them
when you get to the Continent.

Buy them when you get over here (I'm in the UK btw). They run on
446MHz and cost (US)$37 a pair up, more if you want drop-in chargers,
and are available everywhere.

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The future was never like this!

In article , uncle arnie wrote:
wrote:


http://www.tsa.gov/interweb/assetlib...12_18_2003.pdf

I'm not American and not travelling to or from there, but the list probably
applies anywhere. It isn't so much the travel as I wonder about the
countries in Europe and particularly if FRS is okay there.

No. FRS radios are NOT allowed in Europe, etc. There is a equivalent
446 service here.

Geoff.

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Instead of FRS just buy a couple of cell phones over there. Or set up
pre-arranged meeting places, or just travel together.

uncle arnie schrieb:

atomicthumbs wrote:



If you want a good, cheap portable, get the Kaito KA1101 or a DE1101. I
reccomend GPRS radios instead of FRS, the range is better and there's
less dropout because it's digital instead of FM.



But I already have FRS and aren't wanting to buy another set of radios.


Then do yourself a favour and *don't(!)* take the FRS-radios with you.
The FRS-freqs are in use by other services in europe and you will risk
to get in big trouble using the FRS-radios in europe. At least the
radios will be confiscated if you get cought and you will have a look
from inside a police-station for some hours and maybe have to pay a
additional fine....
PMR-radios have a TX-output of 500mW providing a range of about 500-
1000mtrs (1500-3000ft) in urban areas and up to 5 km (3 mls) or even
more from exponated locations.
These PMR-radios are cheap. Cost about 25 -50 EUROs a pair. They mostly
run on 3 or 4 AAA-cells or rechargable Batteries.

Volker Tonn wrote:



uncle arnie schrieb:

atomicthumbs wrote:



If you want a good, cheap portable, get the Kaito KA1101 or a DE1101. I
reccomend GPRS radios instead of FRS, the range is better and there's
less dropout because it's digital instead of FM.



But I already have FRS and aren't wanting to buy another set of radios.


Then do yourself a favour and *don't(!)* take the FRS-radios with you.
The FRS-freqs are in use by other services in europe and you will risk
to get in big trouble using the FRS-radios in europe. At least the
radios will be confiscated if you get cought and you will have a look
from inside a police-station for some hours and maybe have to pay a
additional fine....
PMR-radios have a TX-output of 500mW providing a range of about 500-
1000mtrs (1500-3000ft) in urban areas and up to 5 km (3 mls) or even
more from exponated locations.
These PMR-radios are cheap. Cost about 25 -50 EUROs a pair. They mostly
run on 3 or 4 AAA-cells or rechargable Batteries.

Yes, I have the info now, we have diff frqs in N Amer. I did talk to a guy
who used them between two cars driving through Norway, and I'm guessing
they didn't interfere with anyone so no trouble. We'll check into PMR when
we get there. Cell phone looks prohibitively expensive to take the local
cell phone over (it will work over there). I can roam through Canada and
most of the USA as if local with no additional charges but not over there.

This will allow me to avoid women's clothing stores etc.

uncle arnie schrieb:

[FRS / PMR]

Yes, I have the info now, we have diff frqs in N Amer. I did talk to a guy
who used them between two cars driving through Norway, and I'm guessing
they didn't interfere with anyone so no trouble.

Noi risk - No fun ;-)

We'll check into PMR when we get there.

Good idea, especially when you want to use them other than to talk
between 2 cars whilst driving.

Cell phone looks prohibitively expensive to take the local
cell phone over (it will work over there). I can roam through Canada and
most of the USA as if local with no additional charges but not over there.

Using a lokal prepaid card might do the trick. And in case of emergancy
you can call for help.
Also phoneing on prepaid cards isn't really cheap. Using the same
provider it is about 30 (EURO-)Cent per minute with 60/1. First minute
is allways charged fully.... :-(

This will allow me to avoid women's clothing stores etc.

This will justify any amount of charge :-)))

Stan Barr schrieb:

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:35:17 -0800, running dogg wrote:


Artaud says that FRS radios are illegal in Europe,



Definitely. You won't go to jail as someone else suggested but you
could get the radios confiscated.


Maybe you got something wrong?
You probably will be taken to a police station and questioned there with
the help of a translator.
This will cost you some hours and some EUROs in worst case.