How much are Kaito radios,about forty or fifty dollars? That would
probally be a good radio to take to Europe or wherever with you.Chances
are that if you have something nice and expensive in your luggage at the
airport(s) the item or items might get stolen by some crooked baggage
handlers.If you take a nice expensive radio with you it probally would
be best to hang on to it with your hands at all times.Don't let it out
of your sight no more than you would with a wris****ch or jewelry that
cost hundreds or thousands of dollars.
cuhulin

wrote:

How much are Kaito radios,about forty or fifty dollars? That would
probally be a good radio to take to Europe or wherever with you.Chances
are that if you have something nice and expensive in your luggage at the
airport(s) the item or items might get stolen by some crooked baggage
handlers.If you take a nice expensive radio with you it probally would
be best to hang on to it with your hands at all times.Don't let it out
of your sight no more than you would with a wris****ch or jewelry that
cost hundreds or thousands of dollars.
cuhulin

TSA (US airport security) checkers are poorly trained and vetted and
regularly help themselves to items in passengers' bags. Since Arnie is a
Canadian and he's going to Europe, he won't have to worry about the TSA,
but I don't know anything about security in Europe. Some countries are
probably better than others. Most Degen (Kaito) radios are $50 or so
when bought from Liypn over ebay, but I read on this group that Canadian
customs are confiscating all Degens sent from HK to Canada because Kaito
Canada complained that they were being undercut by Liypn. Still, at
Kaito's price ($100 in the US, probably a little more up north) it's a
radio that you don't have to fret over being grabbed by your friendly
local screener. I've heard that Sony products of all kinds are regularly
grabbed by TSA screeners, but most of them probably aren't smart enough
to have heard of Kaito, much less Degen. Other inexpensive Chinese
radios are a good bet to survive security. Arnie might try a Tecsun
bought over ebay, they don't have the same import restrictions and are
just about as expensive as Degen brand radios.


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running dogg wrote:

wrote:

How much are Kaito radios,about forty or fifty dollars? That would
probally be a good radio to take to Europe or wherever with you.Chances
are that if you have something nice and expensive in your luggage at the
airport(s) the item or items might get stolen by some crooked baggage
handlers.If you take a nice expensive radio with you it probally would
be best to hang on to it with your hands at all times.Don't let it out
of your sight no more than you would with a wris****ch or jewelry that
cost hundreds or thousands of dollars.
cuhulin

TSA (US airport security) checkers are poorly trained and vetted and
regularly help themselves to items in passengers' bags. Since Arnie is a
Canadian and he's going to Europe, he won't have to worry about the TSA,
but I don't know anything about security in Europe. Some countries are
probably better than others. Most Degen (Kaito) radios are $50 or so
when bought from Liypn over ebay, but I read on this group that Canadian
customs are confiscating all Degens sent from HK to Canada because Kaito
Canada complained that they were being undercut by Liypn. Still, at
Kaito's price ($100 in the US, probably a little more up north) it's a
radio that you don't have to fret over being grabbed by your friendly
local screener. I've heard that Sony products of all kinds are regularly
grabbed by TSA screeners, but most of them probably aren't smart enough
to have heard of Kaito, much less Degen. Other inexpensive Chinese
radios are a good bet to survive security. Arnie might try a Tecsun
bought over ebay, they don't have the same import restrictions and are
just about as expensive as Degen brand radios.

I have a YB-300, YB-400, ATS-606, ATS-909, and an Icom R-75. I'm not going
to buy a new radio to take. I usually travel with the 606, good size, good
reception. The most disposable of these is the YB300, which so far has
survived.

I don't think the CCRA (Cdn Customs and Revenue Agency) can confiscate a
legally imported product. They haven't the authority. They could charge
ridiculous duties however. I've appealed against them before and won.

* Dr. Artaud * wrote:

uncle arnie wrote in
:

If you wish to spend time in Jail, take your FRS radios to Europe,
otherwise, leave them alone and do some research to find the Eurpoean
equivalent (which you probably won't be able to use here, if here is
America).

PMR-446 radios: http://www.two-way-radio.org.uk/frs-and-pmr446-walkie-
talkie-radios.htm


When in Europe, don't even mention that you know any Americans.

Arnie's a Canadian, and I don't think that talking with people on a
usenet group counts as "knowing" them. As for two way radios, it would
probably be easier for Arnie to buy PMR radios when he gets to Europe
than to buy them online from a European dealer.


Dr. Artaud


"U.S. FRS radios cannot under any circumstances be used in Africa,
Europe, Asia, Mexico, Australia, Canada, or anywhere else. Why? Because
the frequencies the United States FRS uses have no equivalent service on
the same radio frequencies in other countries. The license free radio
services in other countries do not use our FRS frequencies."

http://www.gmrsweb.com/gmrsed092999.html



Going to Netherlands, France, Italy, Germany in early summer. Anyone
with recent travel experience? I wld take a portable SW like an
ATS606 and wld like to take a pair of FRS radios also. If anyone has
had any trouble taking radios with them by plane I'd like to hear
about it. Thanks.



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running dogg wrote in :

Somehow, many of you people fail to understand anything that a poster is
offering, and some, as myself, are guilty of sometimes reading more into a
post than the poster intended.

1. I wouldn't imagine that Americans are thought well of in most areas of
the world right now. My comments about not mentioning that he even knows an
American were meant facetiously. Nevertheless, my comments had nothing to
do with "knowing anyone in the Newsgroup".

2. The link was not provided as an endorsement, merely the result of a
simple search to show the radio with a slight discussion about radios
suitable for use in Europe, and most importantly, a warning about not using
American FRS radios in Europe.

Has Arnie suffered a stroke since his original post, leaving him unable to
respond first person? If so, wish him well for me.

Regards.

Dr. Artaud


Arnie's a Canadian, and I don't think that talking with people on a
usenet group counts as "knowing" them. As for two way radios, it would
probably be easier for Arnie to buy PMR radios when he gets to Europe
than to buy them online from a European dealer.

* Dr. Artaud * wrote:

running dogg wrote in :

Somehow, many of you people fail to understand anything that a poster is
offering, and some, as myself, are guilty of sometimes reading more into a
post than the poster intended.

1. I wouldn't imagine that Americans are thought well of in most areas of
the world right now. My comments about not mentioning that he even knows an
American were meant facetiously. Nevertheless, my comments had nothing to
do with "knowing anyone in the Newsgroup".

2. The link was not provided as an endorsement, merely the result of a
simple search to show the radio with a slight discussion about radios
suitable for use in Europe, and most importantly, a warning about not using
American FRS radios in Europe.

Has Arnie suffered a stroke since his original post, leaving him unable to
respond first person? If so, wish him well for me.

Sorry, my boredom (it's Friday night here in California, which means
nothing on shortwave, which means me surfing the net aimlessly) got the
best of me. I was just offering random thoughts. Too random (and too
much) for you, apparently, and for that I apologize.


Regards.

Dr. Artaud


Arnie's a Canadian, and I don't think that talking with people on a
usenet group counts as "knowing" them. As for two way radios, it would
probably be easier for Arnie to buy PMR radios when he gets to Europe
than to buy them online from a European dealer.


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running dogg wrote in :

Here I sit, same situation. My random thoughts are usually used to drive
co-workers crazy, and I begin slipping later in the evening. Also, we seem
to be plagued with endless winter here, something that is taking its toll
on many people.

Much Regards.

Dr. Artaud

Sorry, my boredom (it's Friday night here in California, which means
nothing on shortwave, which means me surfing the net aimlessly) got
the best of me. I was just offering random thoughts. Too random (and
too much) for you, apparently, and for that I apologize.

* Dr. Artaud * wrote:

running dogg wrote in :

Somehow, many of you people fail to understand anything that a poster is
offering, and some, as myself, are guilty of sometimes reading more into a
post than the poster intended.

1. I wouldn't imagine that Americans are thought well of in most areas of
the world right now. My comments about not mentioning that he even knows
an American were meant facetiously. Nevertheless, my comments had nothing
to do with "knowing anyone in the Newsgroup".

2. The link was not provided as an endorsement, merely the result of a
simple search to show the radio with a slight discussion about radios
suitable for use in Europe, and most importantly, a warning about not
using American FRS radios in Europe.

Has Arnie suffered a stroke since his original post, leaving him unable to
respond first person? If so, wish him well for me.

No stroke here. Just a busy rest of the day. Lots of snow today here in
the Great White North. As far as I can tell Cdn FRS radios are the same as
US models. I did not take them when I went to Mexico a while back.

Can't say I have my finger on the pulse of world opinion on Americans. I do
know that the current administration is thought of as suspect, but I have
the impression that's dying down with some time passing.

Regards.

Dr. Artaud


Arnie's a Canadian, and I don't think that talking with people on a
usenet group counts as "knowing" them. As for two way radios, it would
probably be easier for Arnie to buy PMR radios when he gets to Europe
than to buy them online from a European dealer.

running dogg wrote:

* Dr. Artaud * wrote:

uncle arnie wrote in
:

If you wish to spend time in Jail, take your FRS radios to Europe,
otherwise, leave them alone and do some research to find the Eurpoean
equivalent (which you probably won't be able to use here, if here is
America).

PMR-446 radios: http://www.two-way-radio.org.uk/frs-and-pmr446-walkie-
talkie-radios.htm


When in Europe, don't even mention that you know any Americans.

Arnie's a Canadian, and I don't think that talking with people on a
usenet group counts as "knowing" them. As for two way radios, it would
probably be easier for Arnie to buy PMR radios when he gets to Europe
than to buy them online from a European dealer.


I have confessed to having American, Mexican, Cuban, Kurdish, Iranian, South
African, Australian friends. I also have relatives in the US, Mexico,
China, Brazil. Y'know, it doesn't really matter to most people where
you're from, as long as you're polite and not arrogant. I'll have a look
at the PMR radios.

uncle arnie wrote:

Going to Netherlands, France, Italy, Germany in early summer. Anyone with
recent travel experience? I wld take a portable SW like an ATS606 and wld
like to take a pair of FRS radios also. If anyone has had any trouble
taking radios with them by plane I'd like to hear about it. Thanks.

The cheapest SW radios you can find are on ebay. If you have $50
invested in a radio, you won't worry about security helping themselves
to it. Try buying a Tecsun radio, Degens can't be sold to Canadian
customers online because of import restrictions on the part of the
Canadian government. Keep batteries in the radio, keep it in carry on
luggage (many of the Tecsuns are small enough to put in your carry on
bag) and be ready to turn it on and demonstrate that it works to get
past security. Artaud says that FRS radios are illegal in Europe, I
would definitely check into that before going. You may wish to buy
European compatible two ways online or if you can't do that buy them
when you get to the Continent.


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