"Dave Stadt" wrote
wrote in message
I wish MFJ Enterprises www.MFJEnterprises.com would start building
shortwave radios and other kinds of radios too.I would certainly buy one
or two,if I could afford it.I can't speak for the performance of their
products because I don't own any of their products,,, yet.I am going to
MFJ Enterprises in a couple of months (they are just up the road from
me,so to speak) and buy one of their antennas.I think their products do
look great though.
cuhulin


There is a reason they are known as Mighty Fine Junk.


Look at eHam reviews on various MFJ products. Seems folks either love them
or hate them. I use two of their tuners, an MFJ-962D (1.5kw) manual tuner
and MFJ-994 (600w) ATU "IntelliTuner". I like them both, and have no
complaints about their performance.

Jack Painter
Virginia Beach, Virginia

Les wrote:

dxAce wrote:
Fresh from the Universal site:

http://www.universal-radio.com/catal...rxvr/0082.html

Scroll down and read the sorry news.

This is a sad day indeed.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Indeed it is Steve. Having owned the R8 and R8B (I passed on the R8A)
and having owned an SPR-4, 2B, R4, R4A, R4B, R4C and R7 over the years,
I can say without a doubt, R. L. Drake was a leader in manufacturing
excellent receivers. I do think however, the R8B was the best of the
line with reservations. That tuning knob and the lousy mechanical
encoder turned me off. Of course, that didn't preclude me from many
pleasurable hours sitting in front of that otherwise fine receiver.
Having said that, it is a sad day for shortwave enthusiasts when you
think that the Japanese manufacturers haven't ever produced one that
didn't need agc, filter, synchronous detector and audio modifications
to make it perform. I realize that we all had to modify our beloved
hollow state receivers over the years, but the Japanese have led the
free world in crappy audio, filters and agc's for decades. Shortwave
receivers are but a minute drop in the bucket of electronics. If and
when a manufacturer can sell shortwave receivers in the numbers such as
dvd players, tv's etc., we will see this sort of thing happen.

For whatever reason I skipped out on the R8A as well. The only one of the other
above receivers I never owned was the R-4C which I don't think was noted as
being a good SWL receiver.

I also have had a few SW-4A's.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

TM,

"RHF" wrote in message
oups.com...
TM,
.
Many people would not think twice about spending
$1000 to $2500 every 3-5 of years for a 'new' Computer.
.
But how many of us in the Shortwave Listening Hobby
would make the BUY Decision that easily for a 'new'
$1000 to $2500 Radio/Receiver every 3-5 of years ? ? ?
.
it's about perceived value = time-of-use and enjoyment ~ RHF

And the radio would hold its value MUCH better.

.
.

"dxAce" wrote

For whatever reason I skipped out on the R8A as well. The only one of the
other
above receivers I never owned was the R-4C which I don't think was noted
as
being a good SWL receiver.


Are you kidding, Steve? Out of all the receivers I have owned the R-4C was
"the best."
A Sherwood modified R-4C is still considered THE best "ham" SW receiver of
all time.
Even unmodified it was a treasure to many, including me. But alas I
unwisely sold her
when the new fangled digital displays hit the scene - sigh.

Have you lived there? Or are you just a couch political anal-ist?

wrote in message
oups.com...
Really...now that is a statement sounds like it is making a point when
it really isn't. Please tell me what you are really saying. Surely
you can't be saying that China will only change when the CCP has
completely disappeared. Surely all the change that I have read about
for the past 20+ years isn't a figment of some reporter's imagination
is it?


Li Changchun wrote:
wrote
I'm not sure shortwave will prove to be a viable
alternative to the net in China. The governmental net controls are
far
from perfect right now. I see a gradual loosening of controls on
society in general and the net in particular as China becomes more
secure in it's position as a major economic and political player.

The only thing that will "loosen" anything in China is when the CCP
is hung
up on the rafters.

Yeah, high end, as in a 1103 with a bunch of consumer junk glued on.
All for a miserly $300 - ooh wee, I can't wait - NOT!

"running dogg" wrote

Degen is already talking about a high end receiver, much more high end
than their usual $50 portables. It will probably be marketed to the
West, since it will likely cost much more than anybody in Degen's
traditional market (domestic China) will be able to pay. That indicates
to me that Degen must have pretty strong sales of its portables like the
1102 and 1103 in the West.

Li Changchun wrote:

"dxAce" wrote

For whatever reason I skipped out on the R8A as well. The only one of the
other
above receivers I never owned was the R-4C which I don't think was noted
as
being a good SWL receiver.


Are you kidding, Steve? Out of all the receivers I have owned the R-4C was
"the best."
A Sherwood modified R-4C is still considered THE best "ham" SW receiver of
all time.

Read it again comrade. I said I didn't think it was noted as a good SWL
receiver.

Frickin 'tards... they're everywhere.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Jim wrote:

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 08:14:28 -0500, dxAce
wrote:

Really? I don't recall a single post from you indicating that the R8B was going
to be discontinued.

What's that got to do with anything? Do I need to post every thought
I have? Did you really think the R8 line would continue forever?
What are you, some kind of 'tard boy? :-)

Get some Windex out and clean your crystal ball.

Wow, that's *almost* clever.

Better than anything you ever came up with, 'tard.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Jim wrote:

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:52:05 -0500, dxAce
wrote:

Better than anything you ever came up with, 'tard.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Zing! Ouch! You are just *so* clever aren't you? The witty
retorts just keep on coming, don't they 'tard boy?

It's just so easy, 'tard!

Go tote it!

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Fred Osterman's 3rd Ed. of "Shortwave Receivers Past & Present" rates
the R-4C as five stars new and four stars used. He also calls it, "An
outstanding amateur receiver."

In article .com,
"RHF" wrote:

TM,
.
Many people would not think twice about spending
$1000 to $2500 every 3-5 of years for a 'new' Computer.
.
But how many of us in the Shortwave Listening Hobby
would make the BUY Decision that easily for a 'new'
$1000 to $2500 Radio/Receiver every 3-5 of years ? ? ?
.
it's about perceived value = time-of-use and enjoyment ~ RHF


I have spent more that that.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

Telamon - Alas the 'exception' that proves the rule ~ RHF

Jim wrote:

On Tue, 15 Mar 2005 21:08:06 -0500, dxAce
wrote:

Go tote it!

Tote what, 'tard boy? Your brain? That's easy - if I can find
something small enough to put it in.

You just keep taking your meds... it'll be all right.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Jim wrote:

On 15 Mar 2005 12:34:52 -0800, wrote:



Yeah it's sad, but we all saw this coming. I have an R8, but I
hardly ever use it. I like the S800 much better, or I just use the
internet.

Jim

If you like your S800 better than your R8, the latter is in desperate
need of repair. You can find the address of Drake's service department
on their website.

Why? The S800 has a *much* better sync than the R8. Remember, I
have an original R8, not an R8B. The R8's sync is double sideband
only, not selectable sideband like the R8B and S800. Plus the S800
has better sound and is easier to use.

If you think an R8 (not an R8B!) is better than an S800, then your
S800 is in desperate need of repair!

My former neighbour has an S800... had them both here, side by side. The R8 was
clearly the superior receiver, and the 'sync' had nothing to do with it.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Drake R7, R8 and R8B.

Sync detection is important, but it's not everything. The S800 has
great sound, and yes, it has good sync detection (though there are
other (recently discontinued) 'portables' with better). It's a good
portable receiver housed in a grossly oversized plastic body. It will
always deliver portable performance because that's what it was designed
for. There's nothing wrong with that, but it's not reasonable to expect
the S800 to equal an R8 in overall performance. Or look at it this way:
If the S800 even came close to the R8 in overall performance, the R8
would really have to suck....which it doesn't.

Sometimes I have the feeling that we're not "allowed" to subject the
S800 to the same kind of critical scrutiny that we routinely subject
other receivers to, and I don't understand that. (I'm not saying that
this is Jim's attitude, but it's an attitude I encounter periodically
here and elsewhere.) The 800 is a good receiver. It can withstand the
scrutiny well enough. We don't have to pretend that the S800 is the
best receiver ever made! It's great to be 'loyal' to a particular make
or model, but jeez...at some point we have to get a grip!

Steve

Try responding to the question with an answer rather than dodging with
another question. Again:

Really...now that is a statement sounds like it is making a point when
it really isn't. Please tell me what you are really saying. Surely
you can't be saying that China will only change when the CCP has
completely disappeared. Surely all the change that I have read about
for the past 20+ years isn't a figment of some reporter's imagination
is it?

Are you saying that the only change that will occur in China will
happen after the CCP has completely disappeared? If so, how do you
account for all of the change that has been reported in the last 20
plus years.

Or are you just trying to make a coy political statement without
backing it up.....



Li Changchun wrote:
Have you lived there? Or are you just a couch political anal-ist?

wrote in message
oups.com...
Really...now that is a statement sounds like it is making a point
when
it really isn't. Please tell me what you are really saying.
Surely
you can't be saying that China will only change when the CCP has
completely disappeared. Surely all the change that I have read
about
for the past 20+ years isn't a figment of some reporter's
imagination
is it?


Li Changchun wrote:
wrote
I'm not sure shortwave will prove to be a viable
alternative to the net in China. The governmental net controls
are
far
from perfect right now. I see a gradual loosening of controls
on
society in general and the net in particular as China becomes
more
secure in it's position as a major economic and political
player.

The only thing that will "loosen" anything in China is when the
CCP
is hung
up on the rafters.

"mike0219116" wrote in message
oups.com...
Fred Osterman's 3rd Ed. of "Shortwave Receivers Past & Present"
rates
the R-4C as five stars new and four stars used. He also calls it,
"An
outstanding amateur receiver."

Yeah, it seems to be a good amateur receiver, but a
general coverage shortwave receiver it ain't.

--Mike L.

Michael Lawson wrote:

"mike0219116" wrote in message
oups.com...
Fred Osterman's 3rd Ed. of "Shortwave Receivers Past & Present"
rates
the R-4C as five stars new and four stars used. He also calls it,
"An
outstanding amateur receiver."

Yeah, it seems to be a good amateur receiver, but a
general coverage shortwave receiver it ain't.

The R-4B with a bunch of extra crystals or coupled with the FS-4 synthesizer was
much better for SW dx'ing.

The R-4C was indeed (and may still be) a better ham radio receiver.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

In article ,
dxAce wrote:


Michael Lawson wrote:


The R-4B with a bunch of extra crystals or coupled with the FS-4 synthesizer was
much better for SW dx'ing.

The R-4C was indeed (and may still be) a better ham radio receiver.



Ok so the thread has changed, from Drake R-8 to R-4, speaking of
Drakes, I was wondering if the SPR-4 was better or worse reciever
than r-4? I never fooled with r-4, but have tried spr-4, my major complaint with that it it a little too selective and audio quality lacking.

Chuck

Li Changchun wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


Li Changchun wrote:

"dxAce" wrote

For whatever reason I skipped out on the R8A as well. The only one of
the
other
above receivers I never owned was the R-4C which I don't think was
noted
as
being a good SWL receiver.


Are you kidding, Steve? Out of all the receivers I have owned the R-4C
was
"the best."
A Sherwood modified R-4C is still considered THE best "ham" SW receiver
of
all time.

Read it again comrade. I said I didn't think it was noted as a good SWL
receiver.

There was an after-market third-party variable crystal occilater you could
buy
or build that gave the R-4C General Coverage. It was published in QST I
beleive.
I built one and my R-4C performed excellently as a SWL receiver.
Too bad you missed out.

Most aficionados of SWL would (have) preferred the R-4B, and that thought has
been corroborated in the hobby press for many, many years.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Jim wrote:

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 06:19:54 -0500, dxAce
wrote:

Tote what, 'tard boy? Your brain? That's easy - if I can find
something small enough to put it in.

You just keep taking your meds... it'll be all right.

Zing! You *really* are quite the wit, aren't you?

Indeed I am, and unfortunately for us, you're a 'tard boy.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Jim wrote:

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 06:44:28 -0500, dxAce
wrote:

My former neighbour has an S800... had them both here, side by side. The R8 was
clearly the superior receiver, and the 'sync' had nothing to do with it.

In *your* opinion. *My* opinion is that the S800 is clearly better.
I *own* both, not just "borrowed from a neighbor for a day or two",
and the 'sync' has everything to do with it.

I don't rely upon whether or not a receiver has 'sync' or not when evaluating it as
a 'DX' receiver. And the S800 is *not* a comparable 'DX' receiver when compared to
the R8 series.

Get the picture?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Jim wrote:

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:27:17 -0500, "Michael Lawson"
wrote:

Here would be a good test: on 5975, there's our old buddy,
the BBC. On 5980, there's RTV Marocaine (Morocco). On
the occasional days when the BBC isn't running on 5975,
I can listen to Moroccan music on 5980. However, the BBC
simply overwhelms my reception of Marocaine on most
days on my S800. Can an R8/R8A/R8B pull Marocaine out?
That, I don't know, but the tools to do it are there on the
R8's, whereas on the S800, you're rather limited to the sync
and the 6/4/2.3 bandwidths.

The outstanding sync on the S800 eliminates the need for all those
"tools" on the R8. Got a het? Gone with the sync. Splatter from
a nearby blowtorch? Gone with the sync. The 6/4/2.3 bandwidths are
identical to the R8's, BTW. The R8 also has 1.8 and .5, which are
pretty much useless except for code, and I don't listen to that.

BTW, the S800 passes your above BBC/Morocco test, in 5 seconds by
pressing a *single button*! The R8 can do it also, but only after 5
minutes of manual knob twiddling.

5 minutes? You obviously have no clue as to how to operate a receiver.

That's unfortunate... but it's good that you've found a receiver you are capable
of operating.

Enjoy.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Jim wrote:

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:05:43 -0500, dxAce
wrote:

I don't rely upon whether or not a receiver has 'sync' or not when evaluating it as
a 'DX' receiver. And the S800 is *not* a comparable 'DX' receiver when compared to
the R8 series.

Get the picture?

Yes, I get your opinion. It differs from mine. Deal with it.

You'd better deal with not knowing how to operate a receiver!

I'm fairly confident that I know how to do it, and by your previous comment(s) it would
appear that you do not.

Tote it!

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Jim wrote:

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:50:10 -0500, dxAce
wrote:

5 minutes? You obviously have no clue as to how to operate a receiver.

Except that I've had for nearly 15 years, and know how to operate it.

It is more difficult to operate than the S800. I can't believe you
are even attempting to argue this fact.

5 minutes?

I'm LMAO

As I stated previously, I'm happy that you've found a receiver that you're
capable of operating.

Get over it.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

In article ,
says...


Jim wrote:

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 07:05:43 -0500, dxAce
wrote:

I don't rely upon whether or not a receiver has 'sync' or not when evaluating it as
a 'DX' receiver. And the S800 is *not* a comparable 'DX' receiver when compared to
the R8 series.

Get the picture?

Yes, I get your opinion. It differs from mine. Deal with it.

You'd better deal with not knowing how to operate a receiver!

I'm fairly confident that I know how to do it, and by your previous comment(s) it would
appear that you do not.

Tote it!

dxAce
Michigan
USA





He either can't figure out how to work the R8, or he has one that needs
help, there's no real comparison.

BDK

"Jim" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:27:17 -0500, "Michael Lawson"
wrote:


Here would be a good test: on 5975, there's our old buddy,
the BBC. On 5980, there's RTV Marocaine (Morocco). On
the occasional days when the BBC isn't running on 5975,
I can listen to Moroccan music on 5980. However, the BBC
simply overwhelms my reception of Marocaine on most
days on my S800. Can an R8/R8A/R8B pull Marocaine out?
That, I don't know, but the tools to do it are there on the
R8's, whereas on the S800, you're rather limited to the sync
and the 6/4/2.3 bandwidths.

The outstanding sync on the S800 eliminates the need for all those
"tools" on the R8. Got a het? Gone with the sync. Splatter
from
a nearby blowtorch? Gone with the sync. The 6/4/2.3 bandwidths
are
identical to the R8's, BTW. The R8 also has 1.8 and .5, which are
pretty much useless except for code, and I don't listen to that.

BTW, the S800 passes your above BBC/Morocco test, in 5 seconds by
pressing a *single button*! The R8 can do it also, but only after
5
minutes of manual knob twiddling.

Not my Sat 800 running a 50' random wire through
a 9:1 transformer. Too much bleedover, even with the 4
bandwidth using USB sync. The 2.3 bandwidth is too
narrow for decent fidelity for me, unless I'm actively
listening with no distractions. If I want good enough
fidelity that the kids can dance to it, I want either 6 or
4, and 6 is hopeless and 4 is still too much.

I know which method *I* prefer. YMMV.

Ha. I've listened to enough broadcasts to know that
my S800 ain't perfect. Oh, it gets rid of some hets and
some splatter, and better than most portables and
portatops, but using the advanced tools on the
regular tabletop you can eliminate a heck of a lot more.
After all, if what you say were completely true, then
why do people pay cash for an IC-R75 or R8B or
NRD-545 or 7030?? Or why are some of the Kenwoods,
Icoms, JRC's and Drakes of the past so valued?

--Mike L.

The,Slant Eyed Chinks are working for about ten cents an hour and in
some of those so-called factory areas,those Slant Eyed Chinks are
SLAVES! Blame it on free trade,nafta,gatt,outsourcing.I remember seeing
on tv that SON OF A BITCH!!!!!! nixon standing on that SLANT EYED CHINK
"wall" over there many years ago.I called them SLANT EYED CHINKS,SLANT
EYED CHINKS and SLOPES,when I was in Vietnam in 1964.YOU go ****ing and
moaning to the fbi if YOU don't like it! YOU COMMIE! Mother ****ER!
cuhulin

Ha. I've listened to enough broadcasts to know that
my S800 ain't perfect. Oh, it gets rid of some hets and
some splatter, and better than most portables and
portatops, but using the advanced tools on the
regular tabletop you can eliminate a heck of a lot more.
After all, if what you say were completely true, then
why do people pay cash for an IC-R75 or R8B or
NRD-545 or 7030?? Or why are some of the Kenwoods,
Icoms, JRC's and Drakes of the past so valued?

--Mike L.

I'm sorry Mike, but if you have the audacity to acknowlegde even the
bare, logical possibility that the S800 has even a single weakness or
shortcoming, I'm afraid it's time for you to go. Come back after you
'get your mind right'.

Steve

I'm speechless.

I'm afraid to leave my house for fear that I'll be kidnapped, held
against my will in a cheap hotel and deprived of sleep until I've been
'programmed' to appreciate the merits of the 800!

Any day now I just know that someone's going to argue that the Grundig
Mini World 100 PE (perhaps suitably modified) is superior overall to
the AOR 7030+. It's just a matter of time.

Steve

wrote:

Ha. I've listened to enough broadcasts to know that
my S800 ain't perfect. Oh, it gets rid of some hets and
some splatter, and better than most portables and
portatops, but using the advanced tools on the
regular tabletop you can eliminate a heck of a lot more.
After all, if what you say were completely true, then
why do people pay cash for an IC-R75 or R8B or
NRD-545 or 7030?? Or why are some of the Kenwoods,
Icoms, JRC's and Drakes of the past so valued?

--Mike L.

I'm sorry Mike, but if you have the audacity to acknowlegde even the
bare, logical possibility that the S800 has even a single weakness or
shortcoming, I'm afraid it's time for you to go. Come back after you
'get your mind right'.

Will he be sent to an 'S800 re-education camp'?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

wrote:

I'm speechless.

I'm afraid to leave my house for fear that I'll be kidnapped, held
against my will in a cheap hotel and deprived of sleep until I've been
'programmed' to appreciate the merits of the 800!

Any day now I just know that someone's going to argue that the Grundig
Mini World 100 PE (perhaps suitably modified) is superior overall to
the AOR 7030+. It's just a matter of time.

It will probably happen. Amazing things occur here every day.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


wrote:

Ha. I've listened to enough broadcasts to know that
my S800 ain't perfect. Oh, it gets rid of some hets and
some splatter, and better than most portables and
portatops, but using the advanced tools on the
regular tabletop you can eliminate a heck of a lot more.
After all, if what you say were completely true, then
why do people pay cash for an IC-R75 or R8B or
NRD-545 or 7030?? Or why are some of the Kenwoods,
Icoms, JRC's and Drakes of the past so valued?

--Mike L.

I'm sorry Mike, but if you have the audacity to acknowlegde even
the
bare, logical possibility that the S800 has even a single weakness
or
shortcoming, I'm afraid it's time for you to go. Come back after
you
'get your mind right'.

Will he be sent to an 'S800 re-education camp'?

Right after I get deprogrammed from my "not all
that Radio Shack does is good and right" opinions.

--Mike L.

Michael Lawson wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


wrote:

I'm speechless.

I'm afraid to leave my house for fear that I'll be kidnapped, held
against my will in a cheap hotel and deprived of sleep until I've
been
'programmed' to appreciate the merits of the 800!

Any day now I just know that someone's going to argue that the
Grundig
Mini World 100 PE (perhaps suitably modified) is superior overall
to
the AOR 7030+. It's just a matter of time.

It will probably happen. Amazing things occur here every day.

Hold on, lemme go get my 100PE that's upstairs....

::returns::

::tries radio::

Wow!! Did you know you could get Rush on shortwave??
Oh, wait, that's AM BCB.... Nevermind.

I guess that the 100PE isn't as good as a 7030+. I'll report
for deprogramming tomorrow.

But can it possibly be modified to work as well?

dxAce
Michigan
USA

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


wrote:

I'm speechless.

I'm afraid to leave my house for fear that I'll be kidnapped, held
against my will in a cheap hotel and deprived of sleep until I've
been
'programmed' to appreciate the merits of the 800!

Any day now I just know that someone's going to argue that the
Grundig
Mini World 100 PE (perhaps suitably modified) is superior overall
to
the AOR 7030+. It's just a matter of time.

It will probably happen. Amazing things occur here every day.

Hold on, lemme go get my 100PE that's upstairs....

::returns::

::tries radio::

Wow!! Did you know you could get Rush on shortwave??
Oh, wait, that's AM BCB.... Nevermind.

I guess that the 100PE isn't as good as a 7030+. I'll report
for deprogramming tomorrow.

--Mike L.

A bus will pick you up in the morning. When the driver and his
attendants enter your home, please just follow their instructions. Do
not bring a radio. An S800 will be provided for you at the camp.

Steve

I listen to Rush Limbaugh on most any of my old raggity old beat up old
radios.
cuhulin

-=jd=- wrote:

On Thu 17 Mar 2005 07:03:23p, dxAce wrote in
message :



-=jd=- wrote:

On Thu 17 Mar 2005 12:31:24p, dxAce wrote
in message :



Michael Lawson wrote:

"dxAce" wrote in message
...


wrote:

I'm speechless.

I'm afraid to leave my house for fear that I'll be kidnapped,
held against my will in a cheap hotel and deprived of sleep
until I've
been
'programmed' to appreciate the merits of the 800!

Any day now I just know that someone's going to argue that the
Grundig
Mini World 100 PE (perhaps suitably modified) is superior
overall
to
the AOR 7030+. It's just a matter of time.

It will probably happen. Amazing things occur here every day.

Hold on, lemme go get my 100PE that's upstairs....

::returns::

::tries radio::

Wow!! Did you know you could get Rush on shortwave??
Oh, wait, that's AM BCB.... Nevermind.

I guess that the 100PE isn't as good as a 7030+. I'll report
for deprogramming tomorrow.

But can it possibly be modified to work as well?

dxAce
Michigan
USA



You could duct-tape it to the side of a Drake. On second thought, don't
use duct-tape. Just position it near the Drake. Then, just use the
Drake and imagine you are using the 100PE. You should also probably
make sure there are no batteries in the 100 PE -- One can't be too
careful with these things...

I'm really not sure just how big that 100PE is, but maybe I could pull
the cabinet on one of the Drakes and just set the darn thing inside?

I'm just looking for a way to improve my reception.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


Improved reception through osmosis!

You'll make billion$!!

Yeah, guess that might have been a possibility, but now the R8B is discontinued.

I suppose I could still set up shop to do modifications though.

I will install your 100PE into your Drake R8 series receiver for $59.95 +
shipping. Installation of the 100PE into other receivers upon request, please
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Have you lived there? Or are you just a couch political anal-ist?

wrote in message
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You seem to be adept at avoiding uncomfortable questions by answering
them with questions. Is it possible that you really don't know the
answer? Please think the question over and try responding tomorrow.


Li Changchun wrote:
Have you lived there? Or are you just a couch political anal-ist?

wrote in message
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Try responding to the question with an answer rather than dodging
with
another question. Again:

Really...now that is a statement sounds like it is making a point
when
it really isn't. Please tell me what you are really saying.
Surely
you can't be saying that China will only change when the CCP has
completely disappeared. Surely all the change that I have read
about
for the past 20+ years isn't a figment of some reporter's
imagination
is it?

Are you saying that the only change that will occur in China will
happen after the CCP has completely disappeared? If so, how do you
account for all of the change that has been reported in the last 20
plus years.

Or are you just trying to make a coy political statement without
backing it up.....



Li Changchun wrote:
Have you lived there? Or are you just a couch political
anal-ist?

wrote in message
oups.com...
Really...now that is a statement sounds like it is making a
point
when
it really isn't. Please tell me what you are really saying.
Surely
you can't be saying that China will only change when the CCP
has
completely disappeared. Surely all the change that I have read
about
for the past 20+ years isn't a figment of some reporter's
imagination
is it?


Li Changchun wrote:
wrote
I'm not sure shortwave will prove to be a viable
alternative to the net in China. The governmental net
controls
are
far
from perfect right now. I see a gradual loosening of
controls
on
society in general and the net in particular as China
becomes
more
secure in it's position as a major economic and political
player.

The only thing that will "loosen" anything in China is when
the
CCP
is hung
up on the rafters.