wrote:

I doubt that 97 percent of regular business travelers listen to
shortwave. However, I do think that shortwave is primed to experience a
resurgence. Let me explain...

When we're all moaning about the discontinuation of various receivers,
we tend to focus on the high-end receivers, which are indeed being
'thinned out'. However, thanks to the Chinese, the world is being
flooded with inexpensive shortwave radios. I believe that this latter
fact will eventually work to the advantage of the high-end market.
People will get cheap shortwave radios, enjoy them and then come down
with a nagging and persistent curiosity about how much more they could
hear with a *better* receiver. So, I expect the large number of sales
of low-end receivers will eventually translate into demand for better
receivers.

I could be wrong, but isn't this the way it usually works? I ended up
with an R8B only after going through a string of less expensive radios
and always developing a yearning for more. I think this is fairly
common.

Degen 1108. Degen is already thinking about the high end market, since
with all the bells and whistles they want to put on the 1108 I doubt it
will be affordable to the average Chinese. I think that the Chinese will
eventually build high end receivers, either Degen and Tecsun will build
them or new companies will spring up that will specialize in high end
stuff. I'm sure that this will make Li apoplectic, but for the rest of
humanity it will be a positive development since the Western (US,
Europe, Japan) high end stuff has suffered from quality control problems
and lack of design originality for quite some time. But Tecsun managed
to work out all the QC problems with the Sat 800 (Ham 2000) and have
gradually improved it. I'm sure that Degen will eventually work out
whatever bugs are in its radios and produce quality radios. The Chinese
seem to have the Chrysler and Microsoft approach to product
development-put something, anything out in the market and fix bugs as
they come up. Sure beats having to quality check your own stuff with in
house staff. The downside is that you don't want to buy something that
has been out for less than a couple years.


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wrote:
Degen 1108. Degen is already thinking about the high end market, since
with all the bells and whistles they want to put on the 1108 I doubt
it will be affordable to the average Chinese. I think that the Chinese
will eventually build high end receivers, either Degen and Tecsun will
build them or new companies will spring up that will specialize in
high end stuff. I'm sure that this will make Li apoplectic, but for
the rest of humanity it will be a positive development since the
Western (US, Europe, Japan) high end stuff has suffered from quality
control problems and lack of design originality for quite some time.
But Tecsun managed to work out all the QC problems with the Sat 800
(Ham 2000) and have gradually improved it. I'm sure that Degen will
eventually work out whatever bugs are in its radios and produce
quality radios. The Chinese seem to have the Chrysler and Microsoft
approach to product development-put something, anything out in the
market and fix bugs as they come up. Sure beats having to quality
check your own stuff with in house staff. The downside is that you
don't want to buy something that has been out for less than a couple
years.

I think that there are a lot of people in China who can afford a good,
decent desk shortwave radio, and that one of the drivers is getting
uncensored news from elsewhere (if you can get past the jamming). A more
selective radio with better filters will have better luck in general. I
believe the primary market of Tecsun and Degen is the chinese domestic
market, it's a big country, and shortwave is actually still pretty popular
there.

The secondary consideration for them is proving a decent product for export
by rebranding, such as Tecsun does with Eton. An option besides making a
deal with a company like Eton is to simply license a brand name, like GE,
such as many asian makers of consumer electronics do.

Conan Ford wrote:

running dogg wrote in :

wrote:
Degen 1108. Degen is already thinking about the high end market, since
with all the bells and whistles they want to put on the 1108 I doubt
it will be affordable to the average Chinese. I think that the Chinese
will eventually build high end receivers, either Degen and Tecsun will
build them or new companies will spring up that will specialize in
high end stuff. I'm sure that this will make Li apoplectic, but for
the rest of humanity it will be a positive development since the
Western (US, Europe, Japan) high end stuff has suffered from quality
control problems and lack of design originality for quite some time.
But Tecsun managed to work out all the QC problems with the Sat 800
(Ham 2000) and have gradually improved it. I'm sure that Degen will
eventually work out whatever bugs are in its radios and produce
quality radios. The Chinese seem to have the Chrysler and Microsoft
approach to product development-put something, anything out in the
market and fix bugs as they come up. Sure beats having to quality
check your own stuff with in house staff. The downside is that you
don't want to buy something that has been out for less than a couple
years.

I think that there are a lot of people in China who can afford a good,
decent desk shortwave radio, and that one of the drivers is getting
uncensored news from elsewhere (if you can get past the jamming). A more
selective radio with better filters will have better luck in general. I
believe the primary market of Tecsun and Degen is the chinese domestic
market, it's a big country, and shortwave is actually still pretty popular
there.

Yes, China has a lot of domestic SW stations, and China is too big to
cover with AM and FM. A desktop radio coupled with the antijamming
antenna will make very good progress in unjamming RFA. Maybe this is why
the CCP doesn't want to make a desktop. But their tune will change in a
few years as people outside China will clamor to trade up from their
Degens and Tecsuns, and the CCP will simply forbid sale of the new
desktops in China. But people will still get them, and use them. The
CCP, once they start making desktops, may see its days numbered, which
will make Li happy.

The secondary consideration for them is proving a decent product for export
by rebranding, such as Tecsun does with Eton. An option besides making a
deal with a company like Eton is to simply license a brand name, like GE,
such as many asian makers of consumer electronics do.

Most of the "classic" American brand names, such as GE, are up for sale
to the highest bidder. Thomson currently owns GE and RCA and Philips
owns Magnavox, but other names such as Philco and Westinghouse are wide
open.



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