Lets See - What Are Our Alternatives :

"RHF" wrote in news:1115236890.431995.103040
@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

http://newstandardnews.net/content/?...em&itemid=1486

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/...tml?source=rss

http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/document.do?id=
1A01E91E134A327080256F190042408D


http://www.stolenlives.org/read/index.php?
action=show&section=area_los_angeles.xml&display=L OS+ANGELES&area=19


Let's see, what is the alternative?

1. Reevaluate the regulations stipulating the physical size that officers
need to be to be on the force. When you have tiny women wielding guns and
Tasers, you are going to have problems with the use of force where
otherwise unnecessary. A woman officer here, using her firearm, shot a
fleeing prisoner in the back, killing him. The prisoner's hands were
cuffed behind him. Allegedly he was a Karate Expert, but was some
distance away from her when she killed him. Of course her actions were
deemed justifiable. This may have been a justifiable use for a Taser.

A 14 year old girl, refusing to yield to the demands of a Truancy
Officer, crossing the street instead, was Tased and collapsed in the
middle of the street, breaking her nose and placing her in risk of being
struck by traffic. She lived. THIS IS NOT a justifiable use of Tasers. A
72 year old woman, attempting to visit a friend in a retirement home,
discovered that the friend was not in her room. She remained in the Home,
but the officials there objected and asked her to leave. She didn't,
fearing that her friend was sick. As a woman officer approached the 72
year old woman, the 72 year old finally spotted her friend in the
hallway, and started towards her. The officer stopped her, telling her
that she was under arrest. When she continued towards her friend, she was
Tased by the woman officer, collapsing to the floor.

Yeah RHF, these are real tough criminals deserving to be Tased.
Fortunately they had the Tasers though, I can see them shooting a 72 year
old with a firearm, or beating her with a night stick. LOL. You think in
terms of the Serious Criminal, armed to the teeth, I think in terms of
the people that are comparatively innocent, that these officers are
abusing and shooting, especially with Tasers.

2. Educate officers that everyone other then their own "are not enemies".
Unfortunately, you have obsessed on one aspect of my post, ignoring the
remainder. Whether an officer shoots someone dead or electrocutes them is
a moot point, as dead people are still dead. Increasingly, the public is
held at a much higher bar than the officers are, e.g. officers shoot an
unarmed man in New York, striking him 18 times, out of 40 or so shots
fired altogether. The autopsy showed that a shot went through the man's
foot, from bottom to top, indicating that they were still shooting at him
after he had fallen.

The man had no gun or weapon, committed no crime, had no police record,
yet the shooting was held to be justifiable. If you shoot an intruder
that is wielding a gun, you most likely will still be arrested, still
miss work, still spend money on an attorney. The officers may have been
suspended "with" pay, and don't need to pay for their defense.

It's unconscionable that police continue to escalate the use of force
when no force is warranted. It's unconscionable that they try to provoke
a situation where no situation exists.

Lastly, many occupations need to cope with dangerous situations, many
more dangerous than what the police experience. If they feel overwhelmed,
let them find new employment, let's not sacrifice our Rights for their
conveniences.


Dr. Artaud


Lets See - What Are Our Alternatives :

On Wed, 04 May 2005 21:55:54 -0000, "€ Dr. Artaud €"
wrote:


2. Educate officers that everyone other then their own "are not enemies".

The current doctrine is -- There are three inds of people in
the world -- cops, cops' families and suspects.


Unfortunately, you have obsessed on one aspect of my post, ignoring the
remainder. Whether an officer shoots someone dead or electrocutes them is
a moot point, as dead people are still dead. Increasingly, the public is
held at a much higher bar than the officers are, e.g. officers shoot an
unarmed man in New York, striking him 18 times, out of 40 or so shots
fired altogether.

If that was a record, it fell today -- 96 shots fired at a
wacko, but unarmed man in a van in Compton, CA. He was hit four times
(great marksmen that they are). Watching the 18 seconds of shooting on
TV, you have to wonder why some cops weren't killed as they were
arranged as a circular firing squad.

Of course it took many fewer shots a few weeks back to waste
another unarmed wacko who had the temerity to brandish a rock at the
CHP in San Mateo, CA.


The autopsy showed that a shot went through the man's
foot, from bottom to top, indicating that they were still shooting at him
after he had fallen.

The man had no gun or weapon, committed no crime, had no police record,
yet the shooting was held to be justifiable. If you shoot an intruder
that is wielding a gun, you most likely will still be arrested, still
miss work, still spend money on an attorney. The officers may have been
suspended "with" pay, and don't need to pay for their defense.

It's unconscionable that police continue to escalate the use of force
when no force is warranted. It's unconscionable that they try to provoke
a situation where no situation exists.

Lastly, many occupations need to cope with dangerous situations, many
more dangerous than what the police experience. If they feel overwhelmed,
let them find new employment, let's not sacrifice our Rights for their
conveniences.


Dr. Artaud


Lets See - What Are Our Alternatives :

"k" - Clearly 'you' should keep as much distance
between the Police and 'yourself' as possible.
(For Their Safety ) ~ RHF