Mark Zenier wrote:

Oh well, you pushed a pet peeve button. Using meters for band designation
is either pointless nostalgia or a shibboleth, a secret password that
denotes group membership.

Mark Zenier Washington State resident



Interesting you should bring up shibboleth. For those who don't know
it's in Judges 12, verses 1-6. Seems 42,000 people died that day but
probably not all because they could not say shibboleth. They were
saying sibboleth, leaving out the first h.

The shibboleth was off your post.
Maybe Talamon was messing with me because I'm new and
wouldn't be able to figure out the meter designations he gave.
Been awhile since college.




"Al Patrick" wrote in message
...
Mark Zenier wrote:

Oh well, you pushed a pet peeve button. Using meters for band
designation
is either pointless nostalgia or a shibboleth, a secret password that
denotes group membership.

Mark Zenier Washington State resident



Interesting you should bring up shibboleth. For those who don't know it's
in Judges 12, verses 1-6. Seems 42,000 people died that day but probably
not all because they could not say shibboleth. They were saying
sibboleth, leaving out the first h.

Al Patrick wrote:

Mark Zenier wrote:

Oh well, you pushed a pet peeve button. Using meters for band designation
is either pointless nostalgia or a shibboleth, a secret password that
denotes group membership.

Mark Zenier Washington State resident



Interesting you should bring up shibboleth. For those who don't know
it's in Judges 12, verses 1-6. Seems 42,000 people died that day but
probably not all because they could not say shibboleth. They were
saying sibboleth, leaving out the first h.

Yeah, YHWH is one nasty ****er. According to one Bible translation, he
killed 70,000 people because they didn't sufficiently rejoice when they
heard His Name. Strange thing is, most Jews I've met have been much
nicer than their god.


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In article ,
"JS" wrote:

The shibboleth was off your post. Maybe Talamon was messing with me
because I'm new and wouldn't be able to figure out the meter
designations he gave. Been awhile since college.

Snip

I'm not messing with you. This is basic terminology not something
exotic. The majority of short wave broadcasts occur in designated bands
of frequencies. The bands are identified by the inverse of a rounded
frequency in the band. This is how the broadcast bands are identified.

wavelength = speed of propagation/frequency

In oder to calculate in meters the formula is
wavelength in meters = (300 meters/sec) / (frequency in MHz/sec)

so 60 meters is 5 MHz. The 60 meter band is 4.750 MHz to 5.060 MHz

BAND MEGAHERTZ (MHz) KILOHERTZ (KHz)

120 m 2.300-2.500 MHz 2300-2500 KHz
90 m 3.20-3.40 MHz 3200-3400 KHz
75 m 3.90-4.00 MHz 3900-4000 KHz
60 m 4.750-5.060 MHz 4750-5060 KHz
49 m 5.950-6.20 MHz 5950-6200 KHz
41 m 7.10-7.60 MHz 7100-7600 KHz
31 m 9.20-9.90 MHz 9500-9900 KHz
25 m 11.600-12.200 MHz 11600-12100 KHz
22 m 13.570-13.870 MHz 13570-13870 KHz
19 m 15.10-15.80 MHz 15100-15800 KHz
16 m 17.480-17.90 MHz 17480-17900 KHz
13 m 21.450-21.850 MHz 21450-21850 KHz
11 m 25.60-26.10 MHz 25600-26100 KHz

By knowing the wavelength of a frequency you get an understanding of the
size of the resonant antenna to receive it.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

In article ,
Al Patrick wrote:
Mark Zenier wrote:
Oh well, you pushed a pet peeve button. Using meters for band designation
is either pointless nostalgia or a shibboleth, a secret password that
denotes group membership.

Interesting you should bring up shibboleth. For those who don't know
it's in Judges 12, verses 1-6. Seems 42,000 people died that day but
probably not all because they could not say shibboleth. They were
saying sibboleth, leaving out the first h.

It happened more than once in history. During a revolt on Corsica
or Sardinia they had a variant pronunciation for some kind of bean
(vegetable) that got your throat slit if you didn't say it the right way.
"ciciri" or some thing like that.

Mark Zenier Washington State resident

In article ,
(Mark Zenier) wrote:

In article
,
Telamon wrote:
In article ,
(Mark Zenier) wrote:

In article
,
Telamon wrote:
In article ,
(Mark Zenier) wrote:

In article , JS
wrote:
Tuning through the bands last night I heard him on 60, 49, 41 and 31
meter bands so yeah he's still on SW.

My new radio should get those bands?

Divide 300 by the meter designation to get the approximate frequency
in MHz. In real terms, that's around 5, 5.9-6.2, 7.1-7.5, and 9.3-10
MHz.

Really, they should just drop the meter band stuff, which dates back
to the early 1900s. VOA doesn't bother with meters anymore.

Meters are wavelength, which helps put frequency of operation in
perspective when you talk about antennas, transmission lines and other
receiving components.

If people don't want information in meters they should speak up like
you have and if enough do then I'll drop the terminology.

Wave length in meters is just the inverse of frequency.

Oh well, you pushed a pet peeve button. Using meters for band designation
is either pointless nostalgia or a shibboleth, a secret password that
denotes group membership.

What do you suggest we use in its place?

How about Megahertz?

Well, when I have a specific instance in mind I type out the frequency
but in this case I was tuning through the bands and recalled that I
heard Brother Stair in passing through them but did not stay to listen
so I generalized that I heard him on certain bands. I did not note the
specific frequencies that I heard him on. The bands are noted by meters
not frequency so you must then have a frequency definition of the SWBC
bands.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

dxAce:

Yes, much better, like the difference of "Mentally Disabled Person" to
"Retard"--just loads of more class!!! grin

Warmest regards,
John

"dxAce" wrote in message
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Mark Zenier wrote:

In article
,
Telamon wrote:
In article ,
(Mark Zenier) wrote:

In article
,
Telamon wrote:
In article ,
(Mark Zenier) wrote:

In article , JS
wrote:
Tuning through the bands last night I heard him on 60, 49, 41
and 31
meter bands so yeah he's still on SW.

My new radio should get those bands?

Divide 300 by the meter designation to get the approximate
frequency
in MHz. In real terms, that's around 5, 5.9-6.2, 7.1-7.5, and
9.3-10
MHz.

Really, they should just drop the meter band stuff, which dates
back
to the early 1900s. VOA doesn't bother with meters anymore.

Meters are wavelength, which helps put frequency of operation in
perspective when you talk about antennas, transmission lines and
other
receiving components.

If people don't want information in meters they should speak up
like
you have and if enough do then I'll drop the terminology.

Wave length in meters is just the inverse of frequency.

Oh well, you pushed a pet peeve button. Using meters for band
designation
is either pointless nostalgia or a shibboleth, a secret password
that
denotes group membership.

What do you suggest we use in its place?

How about Megahertz?

kHz is so much easier! Typing in 15145 is much easier than 15.145...

And kHz is generally what the cognoscenti use, at least in shortwave.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm

Telamon,

In article ,
Telamon wrote:
In article ,
(Mark Zenier) wrote:
[snip]
How about Megahertz?

Well, when I have a specific instance in mind I type out the frequency
but in this case I was tuning through the bands and recalled that I
heard Brother Stair in passing through them but did not stay to listen
so I generalized that I heard him on certain bands. I did not note the
specific frequencies that I heard him on. The bands are noted by meters
not frequency so you must then have a frequency definition of the SWBC
bands.

Er, what's wrong with using "The 7 MHz Band" instead of "The 39 Meter
Band" (or 41 or whatever number is used). A quick look in the FCC
regulations (Part 73 subpart F) shows that officaldom doesn't bother
with meter band designations.

To bring this back to WWCR or whoever is running in the 3 MHz band,
what regulations are they operating under? My (older, 1989) copy
of the broadcast regs says that international broadcasting starts in
bands above 5950 kHz. (73.702f)

Mark Zenier Washington State resident

On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 21:16:58 -0400, dxAce
wrote:



Mark Zenier wrote:

In article ,
Telamon wrote:
In article ,
(Mark Zenier) wrote:

In article
,
Telamon wrote:
In article ,
(Mark Zenier) wrote:

In article , JS
wrote:
Tuning through the bands last night I heard him on 60, 49, 41 and 31
meter bands so yeah he's still on SW.

My new radio should get those bands?

Divide 300 by the meter designation to get the approximate frequency
in MHz. In real terms, that's around 5, 5.9-6.2, 7.1-7.5, and 9.3-10
MHz.

Really, they should just drop the meter band stuff, which dates back
to the early 1900s. VOA doesn't bother with meters anymore.

Meters are wavelength, which helps put frequency of operation in
perspective when you talk about antennas, transmission lines and other
receiving components.

If people don't want information in meters they should speak up like
you have and if enough do then I'll drop the terminology.

Wave length in meters is just the inverse of frequency.

Oh well, you pushed a pet peeve button. Using meters for band designation
is either pointless nostalgia or a shibboleth, a secret password that
denotes group membership.

What do you suggest we use in its place?

How about Megahertz?

kHz is so much easier! Typing in 15145 is much easier than 15.145...

And kHz is generally what the cognoscenti use, at least in shortwave.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm


Problem is, the cognoscenti are consistently burdened with the
illiterati! LOL

Al in CNMI

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