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David is a Card Carrying Communist
"Unless it is called to account by people who know what they're talking
about, they [Leftists] will pretend to be civil libertarians, they will pretend to be democrats, they will pretend to be for “peace.” They will pretend to be humanitarians. But what they really are is America-hating totalitarians who want the enemy to win." _______________________________________________ Dishonest debating is a hallmark of the left. They usually open with an ad hominem attack and follow it up with disingenuous prevarications, effete canards and circuitous polemics. Most of their contentions are regurgitated from other sources. (Originality of thought isn't their strong suit.) Their favorite closing tactic is to accuse anyone that disagrees with them of racism. This last technique is meant to stifle any debate whatsoever. That means the rest of us are operating under a handicap because we tend towards honesty. It's a lot easier to win an argument with sophisms than it is with facts and reason. Being creative with the truth opens up a whole world of specious possibilities. This makes countering even crude attempts at sophistry difficult. Also, as you pointed out, leftists tend to be stolidly resistant to inconvenient facts. Guys like us believe what we see. Lefties see what they believe. Of course, the left does not live by sophistry alone; it is also heavily dependent on lies. One of the biggest lies of its campaign to support our terrorist enemies and sabotage the cause of freedom in the Middle East is its denial of Iraq's connection to anti-American terror in general and to al-Qaeda in particular. This is especially remarkable considering that one of the firm conclusions of the 9/11 commission was the connection between al-Qaeda and Iraq. Weekly Standard reporter Stephen Hayes has been on top of this story from the beginning and has just compiled the body of evidence behind it: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...005/780plthl.a sp It isn’t often that the Left is forced to reveal itself, but in this transcript of a “Michael Medved Show” segment with David Horowitz and Nation writer Daniel Lazare that is exactly what happens in regard to the Left’s de facto alliance with our terrorist enemies in Iraq and elsewhere. Lazare begins by denying the reality of this "unholy alliance" – the title of David Horowitz’s book – but ends up by professing his support for both the “insurgents in Fallujah” and the Soviet invaders of Afghanistan in the 1980s, as well as expressing his view that the terrorists who are fighting us are to be compared to the French Resistance fighting the Nazis during World War II. .... "...in the Cold War we had a very large Left that supported the Communist enemy, we now have an even larger Left – since that old Communist, “progressive” Left has combined with Muslim radicals to create a much larger fifth column in this country – which wants us to lose this war and the War on Terror generally." .... "I grew up in the Communist movement. My parents were card-carrying Communists. And so I can speak with authority on this because everybody that I knew growing up was a Communist. They wanted the Soviet Union to win the Cold War, just as the people who have led the demonstrations against the war in Iraq understand that if the United States loses in Iraq the other side will win. Consider the people who have led the demonstrations against the war in Iraq. Leslie Cagan, the head of the coalition United for Peace and Justice, is a lifelong Communist. She's still a member of the Communist Party. She's a head of the “moderate” peace organization, United for Peace and Justice. Cagan is a pro-Castro Communist. The more radical group, International ANSWER – and these are the two groups that have organized all the major demonstrations against the war – is a pro-North Korean, Marxist/Leninist party, which has also defended the Serbian war criminal [Slobodan] Milosevic, and just about every horrific international figure of the last 50 years." "At the Columbia teach-in against the war, Nicholas DeGenova said right out that we should all wish for the United States to be defeated in Iraq. He wished for “a million Mogadishus.” He was cheered when he said that, because that's really what the Left thinks even though it puts on this false front – which my parents were very good at, too – that it's for peace and justice and so forth. But when you look at their actions, you can see that their actions show quite the opposite. They want America to lose." .... "The fact is that Osama bin Laden himself, on February 12 of 2003, which is about four weeks before the United States troops entered Iraq, said on Al Jazeera TV, “the interests of Muslims and the interests of the socialists coincide in the war against the crusaders.” But, of course, it's not just words; it's deeds that link American leftists to the Islamic jihad. What were all those people doing out in the streets demonstrating so soon after 9/11 against an American military response to a military attack? And then a million of them – not just demonstrating for “peace” but denouncing George Bush as Hitler, and America as the real “Axis of Evil?” What were Leslie Cagan and Medea Benjamin, two of the most important leaders of the so-called peace movement, doing organizing Iraq Occupation Watch to incite American soldiers to defect, and using a Saddam Hussein supporter to run their organization in Iraq?" .... "This is the same ruse leftists used to rationalize their support for a Communist victory in Vietnam. Ho Chi Minh – an operative of Stalin’s Comintern who spent most of his life in Paris – was alleged to be the “George Washington of Vietnam.” Here we have a classic example of how the Left operates." .... "The idea that we have invaded some innocent country, by the way is absurd. We’ve been at war with Iraq since 1991, and they violated the terms of the truce that ended that war. That’s why we’re there." .... "Iraq invaded two countries: Iran and Kuwait. The truce that ended that war was sealed by UN resolutions, which Saddam then proceeded for ten years to systematically violate. We flew planes over that country daily in order to protect the Kurds from being gassed by Saddam's air force. He was given an ultimatum by the UN Security Council on November 8, 2002, which he didn't meet. That’s the legal basis for this war, even though the Left chooses to ignore it." .... "...there wasn't one demonstration in front of the Iraqi embassy in the entire lead-up to the war that said to Saddam, "Disarm. Obey the UN resolution." .... "In their hearts, these leftists hate America, and they want any enemy, even if it's as horrible an enemy as Zarqawi, to triumph over us. And they will use all manner of sophistry to excuse and defend their position and say, “Oh yes, we’re critical of this and that in terms of what they do. We didn't actually like them blowing up the World Trade Center, because that gave a propaganda victory to the United States, and we don't like Zarqawi beheading people, because that makes it harder for us to sell their cause.” But these are minor points for them, that pale beside the fact that America is Nazi Germany. The clear allegiance of leftists like Lazare is with the enemy and against the United States. And this is true of hundreds of thousands of American leftists who get a pass, of course, from our media, because our media is so predisposed to support them." .... "I think the audience has had a good look at how the American Left dissembles. Unless it is called to account by people who know what they're talking about, they will pretend to be civil libertarians, they will pretend to be democrats, they will pretend to be for “peace.” They will pretend to be humanitarians. But what they really are is America-hating totalitarians who want the enemy to win." .... "...there's a group called International Solidarity Movement, which is holding conferences on American campuses, recruiting college students to go to the Middle East and obstruct Israeli security officials who are trying to protect Palestinians and Israelis from Islamic terrorists. There is the National Lawyers Guild, which was created as a Communist front in the 1930s, and the Center for Constitutional Rights, which provides all the lawyers attacking John Ashcroft over the terrorist detainees in Guantanamo. These groups, along with the ACLU, have organized more than 350 American cities to pass resolutions of non-cooperation with Homeland Security, and particularly, to forbid their police departments from cooperating with immigration authorities. Of course, our borders are our most vulnerable point in the War on Terror. These people are working for the enemy. And of course, if you think this country is Nazi Germany, the moral position would be to aid our enemies. But there are many Americans – many in our listening audience out there – who do not believe their country is Hitler’s Germany. They need to understand these leftists are their enemies and will help people to kill them." .... "I have tried to see what's going on in regard to the war in Iraq and the War on Terror, within the framework of the American Left that really got its foothold in America with the Russian Revolution in 1917. And this Left, which developed its institutions and its culture and its organizations during the Cold War and then the Vietnam War, has now gone into high gear with America's War on Terror. And all I ask is that people understand – and Daniel has made very clear – that these leftists, who supported the Communist enemy in the Cold War, are identifying with the very people we're fighting in the War on Terror. They think that we are – we're the bad guys and we need to be defeated." .... [Full interveiw] http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=18633 |
On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:24:05 -0500, "PartyChairman"
wrote: Radical Fringe Playbook Rule #6 ''When the message is unflattering, attack the messenger''. __________________________________________________ ________ I must assume that you too are an anarchist pirate (whoever the hell you are). Are you on the take, or are you merely hypnotized by their flashy rhetoric? Or perhaps you are afraid of mad bombers and think they will protect you by making people 8,000 miles away spend another summer without air-conditioning. Please enlighten us with your motivation for defending the criminals who have stolen my country. The only cards I carry are my DL and my HMO card. |
David wrote: On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:24:05 -0500, "PartyChairman" wrote: Radical Fringe Playbook Rule #6 ''When the message is unflattering, attack the messenger''. __________________________________________________ ________ I must assume that you too are an anarchist pirate (whoever the hell you are). Are you on the take, or are you merely hypnotized by their flashy rhetoric? Or perhaps you are afraid of mad bombers and think they will protect you by making people 8,000 miles away spend another summer without air-conditioning. Please enlighten us with your motivation for defending the criminals who have stolen my country. We only stole it back from crazy 'tards such as your self. We aim to keep it. dxAce Michigan USA |
On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 16:02:15 -0400, dxAce
wrote: We only stole it back from crazy 'tards such as your self. We aim to keep it. dxAce Michigan USA I don't think so, Ace. We caught you before you could finish stacking the military with crazies. You guys have been exposed. It's over. |
On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 19:52:11 GMT, David wrote:
On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 13:24:05 -0500, "PartyChairman" wrote: Radical Fringe Playbook Rule #6 ''When the message is unflattering, attack the messenger''. _________________________________________________ _________ I must assume that you too are an anarchist pirate (whoever the hell you are). Are you on the take, or are you merely hypnotized by their flashy rhetoric? Or perhaps you are afraid of mad bombers and think they will protect you by making people 8,000 miles away spend another summer without air-conditioning. Please enlighten us with your motivation for defending the criminals who have stolen my country. The only cards I carry are my DL and my HMO card. HMO card? If your's is like most, you should hope you never need any emergency services! |
David wrote: On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 16:02:15 -0400, dxAce wrote: We only stole it back from crazy 'tards such as your self. We aim to keep it. dxAce Michigan USA I don't think so, Ace. We caught you before you could finish stacking the military with crazies. You guys have been exposed. It's over. Your biggest problem is that you don't think. We? You can't do jack about anything but cry your eyes out 'tard boy. You're delusional; seek professional help before it's too late. As always, continue to tote. dxAce Michigan USA |
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On 2 Jul 2005 17:27:39 -0700, "RHF"
wrote: DaviD, . " stacking the military with crazies. " . So this is what 'you' think of the Brave Men and Women who serve in the US Military ? . Or are you just referring to the Officers who Lead them ? . DaviD - Why do 'you' Hate and Disrespect our American Soldiers ? . God {Allah} Bless America - Amen ~ RHF [ God Bless All Those Who Serve in America's Uniforms - amen, Amen. and AMEN ! ] . The sprawling campus of America's elite Air Force Academy is silent for the summer holiday, but the din surrounding its role as an alleged hot-bed of religious intolerance is only getting louder. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4091956.stm |
RHF wrote:
DaviD, . " stacking the military with crazies. " . So this is what 'you' think of the Brave Men and Women who serve in the US Military ? . Or are you just referring to the Officers who Lead them ? . DaviD - Why do 'you' Hate and Disrespect our American Soldiers ? . God {Allah} Bless America - Amen ~ RHF [ God Bless All Those Who Serve in America's Uniforms - amen, Amen. and AMEN ! ] . I think David needs a good, old fashioned, military "Blanket party". Don't forget to bring the scrub brushes and caustic floor cleaner for the after party cleanup. I served, and made it home. others didn't, and this little piece of crap hides behind a computer monitor and calls the military names. That isn't very smart, is it? If they were as corrupt as he claims, they would have sent a special ops team to his home and blown it off the face of the earth. -- Former professional electron wrangler. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
m II wrote:
David wrote: The sprawling campus of America's elite Air Force Academy is silent for the summer holiday, but the din surrounding its role as an alleged hot-bed of religious intolerance is only getting louder. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4091956.stm This is another symptom of what you're describing. It's insanity. I found this on a link from your page. A seven year old girl was suspended from a US school because she told a kid he was going to hell for saying "I swear to God" ================================================== ===== Go ahead. Suspend 7 year olds for saying "hell", or carrying a pair of nail clippers, or mentioning God at all. Censor Janet Jackson's right breast, and bash anyone over the head, call 'em and enemy combatant and throw them in jail for life if they disagree with anything Bush says! How did we get here anyway? And is this where we really want to be? The fact that I am addressing this on a British news server says so much about the absurdity of where we are. Hell? Not yet but at this rate, the U.S. is definitely beginning to feel like an embarrassing joke, at the very least! Carla, USA http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3462323.stm ================================================== ====== mike If we called them terrorists, we would have to shoot them. Take your choice. -- Former professional electron wrangler. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
m II wrote:
RHF wrote: MII - Well I Swear to Cana-Duh ! ~ RHF You are going to heck mike Better than going to any place in Europe. -- Former professional electron wrangler. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 01:48:42 GMT, David wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 01:06:51 GMT, m II wrote: David wrote: The sprawling campus of America's elite Air Force Academy is silent for the summer holiday, but the din surrounding its role as an alleged hot-bed of religious intolerance is only getting louder. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4091956.stm Looks like the American Taliban is in full bloom. Not much difference in crazies anywhere around the globe by the looks of things. Funny how this particular sect has distorted Christianity to the point where it's unrecognizable. mike Don't those particular officers have access to nuclear missiles? No, not at the USAF Academy. It will be interesting to see what the Academy finds in their investigation - when this concern was raised to public view it was not well received by the top brass. The gist of their response is that intolerance is what they are training their cadets to fight against. The fact that it happened is only part of the issue - how it is dealt with the other. |
On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 21:16:08 -0500, "smoke"
wrote: I don't give a f*ck what the Socialist Europeans think or do! But whatever the Nationalist Socialist Amerikans say is A-OK! |
On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 05:08:48 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: RHF wrote: DaviD, . " stacking the military with crazies. " . So this is what 'you' think of the Brave Men and Women who serve in the US Military ? . Or are you just referring to the Officers who Lead them ? . DaviD - Why do 'you' Hate and Disrespect our American Soldiers ? . God {Allah} Bless America - Amen ~ RHF [ God Bless All Those Who Serve in America's Uniforms - amen, Amen. and AMEN ! ] . I think David needs a good, old fashioned, military "Blanket party". Don't forget to bring the scrub brushes and caustic floor cleaner for the after party cleanup. I served, and made it home. others didn't, and this little piece of crap hides behind a computer monitor and calls the military names. That isn't very smart, is it? If they were as corrupt as he claims, they would have sent a special ops team to his home and blown it off the face of the earth. All evangelical Rapture Right proponents are ****ing bonkers, whether they disgrace the uniform or not. |
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
m II wrote: RHF wrote: MII - Well I Swear to Cana-Duh ! ~ RHF You are going to heck mike Better than going to any place in Europe. I didn't realize the tap water in Europe was so bad. Did Satan get a Perrier franchise via Halliburton? mike |
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
If we called them terrorists, we would have to shoot them. Take your choice. I see you leave no option for open trials in a public court. Public servants in a free society shouldn't have to hide everything they do from the tax paying public. having gulags out of your country in order to circumvent your own laws is NOT right or moral. mike |
m II wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote: If we called them terrorists, we would have to shoot them. Take your choice. I see you leave no option for open trials in a public court. Public servants in a free society shouldn't have to hide everything they do from the tax paying public. having gulags out of your country in order to circumvent your own laws is NOT right or moral. mike They are not soldiers, as Iraq doesn't have a legitimate army now that their old movement is gone. That leaves terrorists or enemy combatants. Take your pick. We can detain enemy combatants, while a terrorist places no value on life. Not yours, mine or his. They are cowards who think they will gain fame and glory by dying while killing others. They are mentally ill. They do nothing productive for the rest of the world. They kill people, destroy property and the lives of those around them at every turn. They are not citizens of the US so they have no rights on US soil. They could only be tried for war crimes in the US. If they are freely released back to Iraq, they will rejoin the fight. What good will that do? It IS A VERY GOOD IDEA to keep them elsewhere. They can't escape and harm our citizens, or rejoin the fight. Or do you prefer the killing to go on for decades? Do you know anything about how a military HAS to operate to be effective, and minimize death on both sides of the battle line? The last thing most soldiers want to do is kill. It affects them for the rest of their lives and it can even drive some of them to suicide, even though it was a kill or be killed situation. Grow up, find a yourself a working set of balls and learn more about the real world. It can be and quite often it is a deadly place. I think that we waited too long to start rooting out terrorists. A lot of people would still be alive if they were found and killed early on. -- Former professional electron wrangler. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
"Michael A. Terrell" wrote: m II wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: If we called them terrorists, we would have to shoot them. Take your choice. I see you leave no option for open trials in a public court. Public servants in a free society shouldn't have to hide everything they do from the tax paying public. having gulags out of your country in order to circumvent your own laws is NOT right or moral. mike They are not soldiers, as Iraq doesn't have a legitimate army now that their old movement is gone. That leaves terrorists or enemy combatants. Take your pick. We can detain enemy combatants, while a terrorist places no value on life. Not yours, mine or his. They are cowards who think they will gain fame and glory by dying while killing others. They are mentally ill. They do nothing productive for the rest of the world. They kill people, destroy property and the lives of those around them at every turn. They are not citizens of the US so they have no rights on US soil. They could only be tried for war crimes in the US. If they are freely released back to Iraq, they will rejoin the fight. What good will that do? It IS A VERY GOOD IDEA to keep them elsewhere. They can't escape and harm our citizens, or rejoin the fight. Or do you prefer the killing to go on for decades? Do you know anything about how a military HAS to operate to be effective, and minimize death on both sides of the battle line? The last thing most soldiers want to do is kill. It affects them for the rest of their lives and it can even drive some of them to suicide, even though it was a kill or be killed situation. Grow up, find a yourself a working set of balls and learn more about the real world. It can be and quite often it is a deadly place. I think that we waited too long to start rooting out terrorists. A lot of people would still be alive if they were found and killed early on. He can't find any balls. First off, he's a Canuck. Secondly, from the way I understand it, they're all "smooth" down there. The only hope is that cloning will succeed, and then, he might obtain a set. dxAce Michigan USA |
On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 16:37:41 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: Grow up, find a yourself a working set of balls and learn more about the real world. It can be and quite often it is a deadly place. I think that we waited too long to start rooting out terrorists. A lot of people would still be alive if they were found and killed early on. You can't just go out and start offing people because some day they may attack you. There was ample warning prior to 9-11. Bush chose to ignore it because he wanted his Pearl Harbor. Homey. You seem to have sexual identity issues, like a lot of career military. Rumsfeld claims many of these ''detainees'' were snatched off the battlefield but refuses to treat them as prisoners of war. Can't do that. |
David wrote: On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 16:37:41 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell" wrote: Grow up, find a yourself a working set of balls and learn more about the real world. It can be and quite often it is a deadly place. I think that we waited too long to start rooting out terrorists. A lot of people would still be alive if they were found and killed early on. Rumsfeld claims many of these ''detainees'' were snatched off the battlefield but refuses to treat them as prisoners of war. Can't do that. You really need to sit down and study the Geneva Convention, 'tard boy. But then again, you're probably much better spouting off someone else's BS. Continue to tote. dxAce Michigan USA http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 13:28:37 -0400, dxAce
wrote: You really need to sit down and study the Geneva Convention, 'tard boy. Geneva Convention? WTF? |
Jim Leonard wrote:
gay wannabes like michael are just a pain one must tolerate Gay wannabe? No, but I see that you're still recruiting for your cause. "Gay Trolling Morons of the Universe", and you are still scheming to be their Queen. You also have no concept of the proper use of the English language. I give you a 33 out of 100, so its back to trolling 101 for you, Queenie! -- Former professional electron wrangler. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
Jim Leonard wrote:
Michael: You terrible fool, are you still here? I bet there are plenty tired of your old routine Just who, and what are you? -- Former professional electron wrangler. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
"David" wrote You can't just go out and start offing people because some day they may attack you. Who says? You? A fecking Communist! Go bugger the fecking Communist Party about their 60 million atrocities you feckin pinkie *******! There was ample warning prior to 9-11. Bush chose to ignore it because he wanted his Pearl Harbor. Your a fecked up Communist propagandist! Rumsfeld claims many of these ''detainees'' were snatched off the battlefield but refuses to treat them as prisoners of war. You are also incredibly stupid and know nothing of their status. |
On Sun, 3 Jul 2005 13:57:22 -0500, "zaxxon"
wrote: Bull****. Rumsfeld, Bush, Negroponte, etc. are preverts and can't get a ****ing boner unless they are killing people. |
On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 15:00:37 GMT, m II wrote:
I see you leave no option for open trials in a public court. Public servants in a free society shouldn't have to hide everything they do from the tax paying public. having gulags out of your country in order to circumvent your own laws is NOT right or moral. Axiomatic my dear mII but the current Administration can't see that - or actually, refuses to. But now we have the mobsters of the Supreme Court taking away private property rights (making law rather than interpreting and applying it once again.) You have to wonder what is next. The Globalists got the idiots in Congress top pass the so-called "Patriot Act." The erosion of our rights is accelerating and almost no one notices or even gives a ****. The BLINDERS are on folks - with somke ridiculous screen issues like "gay marriage," abortion and the "ten commandments display" wrangles to distract us from the REAL issues. I want to marry my pet duck and the ACLU is going to help me! |
On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 14:56:37 GMT, m II wrote:
I didn't realize the tap water in Europe was so bad. Did Satan get a Perrier franchise via Halliburton? LOL - that's one the best comments in this otherwise immature thread! Ya GOTS to layuff! |
#26 David: ""Rumsfeld claims many of these ''detainees'' were snatched
off the battlefield but refuses to treat them as prisoners of war. Can't do that. "" All depends on whether they were in military uniform or not. Anyone in combat on the battlefield who is dressed as civilian, or not otherwise clearly displaying his side by recognizable military insignia, has forfeited all his international rights, and is a criminal according to international law. |
On 3 Jul 2005 19:43:45 -0700, "Hatfield"
wrote: #26 David: ""Rumsfeld claims many of these ''detainees'' were snatched off the battlefield but refuses to treat them as prisoners of war. Can't do that. "" All depends on whether they were in military uniform or not. Anyone in combat on the battlefield who is dressed as civilian, or not otherwise clearly displaying his side by recognizable military insignia, has forfeited all his international rights, and is a criminal according to international law. Hats. |
In article ,
Duck Man wrote: But now we have the mobsters of the Supreme Court taking away private property rights (making law rather than interpreting and applying it once again.) Except that it's exactly the opposite of what you said, (although the results are bad). The court refused to be activist and said that how Emminent Domain works in each State is up to that State and not a matter for the Federal government. Mark Zenier Washington State resident |
In article .com,
Hatfield wrote: All depends on whether they were in military uniform or not. Anyone in combat on the battlefield who is dressed as civilian, or not otherwise clearly displaying his side by recognizable military insignia, has forfeited all his international rights, and is a criminal according to international law. That means that any group that's too poor to afford more than one set of clothes will always be regarded as terrorists. How very Republican. Mark Zenier Washington State resident |
Michael A. Terrell wrote: m II wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: If we called them terrorists, we would have to shoot them. Take your choice. I see you leave no option for open trials in a public court. Public servants in a free society shouldn't have to hide everything they do from the tax paying public. having gulags out of your country in order to circumvent your own laws is NOT right or moral. mike They are not soldiers, as Iraq doesn't have a legitimate army now Excuse me Iraq does have a legititmate army these days, we have spent enough money training it that their old movement is gone. That leaves terrorists or enemy combatants. Take your pick. We can detain enemy combatants, while a terrorist places no value on life. Not yours, mine or his. They are cowards who think they will gain fame and glory by dying while killing others. They are mentally ill. They do nothing productive for the rest of the world. They kill people, destroy property and the lives of those around them at every turn. They are not citizens of the US so they have no rights on US soil. They could only be tried for war crimes in the US. If they are freely released back to Iraq, they will rejoin the fight. What good will that do? It IS A VERY GOOD IDEA to keep them elsewhere. They can't escape and harm our citizens, or rejoin the fight. Or do you prefer the killing to go on for decades? Do you know anything about how a military HAS to operate to be effective, and minimize death on both sides of the battle line? The last thing most soldiers want to do is kill. It affects them for the rest of their lives and it can even drive some of them to suicide, even though it was a kill or be killed situation. Grow up, find a yourself a working set of balls and learn more about the real world. It can be and quite often it is a deadly place. I think that we waited too long to start rooting out terrorists. A lot of people would still be alive if they were found and killed early on. -- Former professional electron wrangler. Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
an_old_friend wrote:
Michael A. Terrell wrote: They are not soldiers, as Iraq doesn't have a legitimate army now Excuse me Iraq does have a legititmate army these days, we have spent enough money training it. The people in prison are not part of what is to become a the new Iraqi army. Yes, one is being trained but it still needs a lot of work and I'm sure they don't want people they can't trust serving with them. -- http://home.earthlink.net/~computersforvets/ Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
m II wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: If we called them terrorists, we would have to shoot them. Take your choice. I see you leave no option for open trials in a public court. Public servants in a free society shouldn't have to hide everything they do from the tax paying public. having gulags out of your country in order to circumvent your own laws is NOT right or moral. mike They are not soldiers, as Iraq doesn't have a legitimate army now that their old movement is gone. That leaves terrorists or enemy combatants. Take your pick. We can detain enemy combatants, while a terrorist places no value on life. Not yours, mine or his. They are cowards who think they will gain fame and glory by dying while killing others. They are mentally ill. They do nothing productive for the rest of the world. They kill people, destroy property and the lives of those around them at every turn. But that is exactly what a lot of the world thinks about the US now. Invading another country that did nothing to deserve it, except for the sin of having oil, was about as low as a government can go. I can see the Germans in WWII calling the Polish resistance 'enemy combatants'. Calling something a name you'd like it to be, doesn't make it so. The attack on Iraq and Afghanistan was and is an abomination perpetrated by evil doers for their own private and corporate gain. You know it. Don't fight the truth. Give in to the *good* side of the Force.. mike |
Hatfield wrote:
#26 David: ""Rumsfeld claims many of these ''detainees'' were snatched off the battlefield but refuses to treat them as prisoners of war. Can't do that. "" All depends on whether they were in military uniform or not. Anyone in combat on the battlefield who is dressed as civilian, or not otherwise clearly displaying his side by recognizable military insignia, has forfeited all his international rights, and is a criminal according to international law. So, the thousands of snipers now in the pay of the US government are international criminals? mike |
m II wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: m II wrote: Michael A. Terrell wrote: If we called them terrorists, we would have to shoot them. Take your choice. I see you leave no option for open trials in a public court. Public servants in a free society shouldn't have to hide everything they do from the tax paying public. having gulags out of your country in order to circumvent your own laws is NOT right or moral. mike They are not soldiers, as Iraq doesn't have a legitimate army now that their old movement is gone. That leaves terrorists or enemy combatants. Take your pick. We can detain enemy combatants, while a terrorist places no value on life. Not yours, mine or his. They are cowards who think they will gain fame and glory by dying while killing others. They are mentally ill. They do nothing productive for the rest of the world. They kill people, destroy property and the lives of those around them at every turn. But that is exactly what a lot of the world thinks about the US now. Invading the only true thing in this dreck alot of the world does hate the US, they did before Iraq, I don't care if they Hate US as long as they fear US another country that did nothing to deserve it, except for the sin of having oil, was about as low as a government can go. I can see the Germans in WWII calling the Polish resistance 'enemy combatants'. Calling something a name you'd like it to be, doesn't make it so. They were and the resistance was not entitled to any favorable treatment, The detainees could lawfully have been shot when taken The attack on Iraq and Afghanistan was and is an abomination perpetrated by evil doers for their own private and corporate gain. You know it. Don't fight the truth. Give in to the *good* side of the Force.. bull**** mike |
Mark Zenier wrote: In article .com, Hatfield wrote: All depends on whether they were in military uniform or not. Anyone in combat on the battlefield who is dressed as civilian, or not otherwise clearly displaying his side by recognizable military insignia, has forfeited all his international rights, and is a criminal according to international law. That means that any group that's too poor to afford more than one set of clothes will always be regarded as terrorists. How very Republican. Damn, you sure are stupid. dxAce Michigan USA http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
Except that it's exactly the opposite of what you said, (although
the results are bad). The court refused to be activist and said that how Emminent Domain works in each State is up to that State and not a matter for the Federal government. Actually, the Supreme Court simply refused to make a blanket rule stating that "economic development" is never a "public purpose." They were being asked to interpret the "public purpose" clause in the Fifth Amendment to take away all discretion concerning "economic development" and, thank goodness, they refused to do so. It is up to local governments to make their own policies concerning eminent domain for economic development. So, just as it has been for over 200 years, it is up to citizens to participate in the process, not just bitch about what happens when they don't. |
How do you expect ignorant, public schooled dropouts and public university
graduates to know that? ;-) "Brian Running" wrote in message So, just as it has been for over 200 years, it is up to citizens to participate in the process, not just bitch about what happens when they don't. |
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