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Lucky schrieb:
...The only problem I have is the audio of course. Even thru great speakers, it can sound muddy and flat. Not good fidelity even with a very wide filter. ....as a NRD-user you *should* know: Run the audio from the LINE-out through a decent audio-amp or an good active speaker with seperate tone controls. Line-out level is set by a pot accessible on the bottom side of the 525. |
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"Brian Denley" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: The point I was trying to make is that using minimal differences in stats is not a good way to demonstrate which is the superior raido. There are statistics and then there are statistics. Michael Michael: BTW, I agree with you that the R-75 is a pretty damn good buy for the money. The only place we don't agree is that it's SSB perfomance is somehow better than the kilobuck receivers. They have all the ECSS tools too. The real shame is that all these manufacturers apparently don't think SWL has a future and have dropped out. -- Hiya The IC-R75 doesn't have any real "statistical" advantages over the radios that we have been comparing it to. I prefer it for ECSS/Utility/DX'ing/HAM over the R8 series primarily due to the twin pbt. It is not a "miracle" feature, but I find I can use it to make any signal that is strong enough to hear good enough to listen to. The 1 hz synthesizer is also handy as are the multiple steps of amplification. And... It cost less too :-) One of my friends has an R8, R8a and he recently purchased an R8b. He also has a mint condition Kenwood R-5000. He has also used my R75 for several weeks when we did receiver swaps. Given the IC-R75 twin pbt and the vaunted R8b ssb selectable AM sync, his favorite radio to use is the R-5000. He just likes it. So, I'm sure the larger part of what radio is the better radio can be determined by the most important feature of any radio. The user. I'm also disappointed that there are fewer and fewer tabletop models being produced. I dont think manufacturers feel that sw listenership is on the way out, though. I'm sure they realize that sw is still a widely used and practical medium for broadcasters to reach the third world. For the most part, listeners in third world countries tune in to get news and information. They aren't into it for any "hobby" appeal. They just want the info that they couldn't get otherwise. It would go to reason that third world listeners wouldn't be in the market for rigs like the R8b, IC-R75 or NRD-545. They would be well served with a capable and economical portable like the ones being churned out in China by Degen. As far as most of the western/modern world is concerned, with internet and satellite communications widely available, sw listening for content is a second string medium. It is less reliable and it is always of a lesser quality as far as the clarity of the transmission. It is true, however unlikely that the internet could go down and satellite com could be interrupted for any one of a number of reasons. If that does occur, you can count on it coming back up in a fairly short time. Not to mention, solar occurrences that are intense enough to wipe out satellite communications would also wipe out hf propagation. So, for getting information of all kinds, you dont have to worry about needing a pricy tabletop sw rig. It isn't 1920-1980 any longer. For the most part, the only ones left in the western/modern world who want an expensive sw tabletop rigs are hobbyists like us. So, I can see why fewer and fewer manufacturers are sticking with making tabletop sw radios. Michael |
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:39:00 -0400, "Lucky"
wrote: Yeah, I love the way the solid feel of the NRD-525 controls. It's a well built receiver and it pulls signals out very nicely. The only problem I have is the audio of course. Even thru great speakers, it can sound muddy and flat. Not good fidelity even with a very wide filter. Other then that I like my 525 a lot but use the R75 most of the time. Lucky LMAO. A great radio except it sounds bad. Other than that, it's a fine paperweight. The big knobs impress the chicks. |
David wrote: On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:39:00 -0400, "Lucky" wrote: Yeah, I love the way the solid feel of the NRD-525 controls. It's a well built receiver and it pulls signals out very nicely. The only problem I have is the audio of course. Even thru great speakers, it can sound muddy and flat. Not good fidelity even with a very wide filter. Other then that I like my 525 a lot but use the R75 most of the time. Lucky LMAO. A great radio except it sounds bad. Other than that, it's a fine paperweight. The big knobs impress the chicks. That could indeed be true as most everyone comments on the bad audio which seems to always be overcome by the tuning knob. They DO have a nice feel to them. dxAce Michigan USA http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 13:39:36 -0400, dxAce
wrote: David wrote: On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:39:00 -0400, "Lucky" wrote: Yeah, I love the way the solid feel of the NRD-525 controls. It's a well built receiver and it pulls signals out very nicely. The only problem I have is the audio of course. Even thru great speakers, it can sound muddy and flat. Not good fidelity even with a very wide filter. Other then that I like my 525 a lot but use the R75 most of the time. Lucky LMAO. A great radio except it sounds bad. Other than that, it's a fine paperweight. The big knobs impress the chicks. That could indeed be true as most everyone comments on the bad audio which seems to always be overcome by the tuning knob. They DO have a nice feel to them. dxAce Michigan USA http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm So stick icepicks in your ears and just fondle? |
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From: David Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:23:06 GMT Subject: R-75 status? On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:39:00 -0400, "Lucky" wrote: Yeah, I love the way the solid feel of the NRD-525 controls. It's a well built receiver and it pulls signals out very nicely. The only problem I have is the audio of course. Even thru great speakers, it can sound muddy and flat. Not good fidelity even with a very wide filter. Other then that I like my 525 a lot but use the R75 most of the time. Lucky LMAO. A great radio except it sounds bad. Other than that, it's a fine paperweight. The big knobs impress the chicks. David, My 525 is a great radio. The sometimes poor audio (depending upon what I'm listening to) is not a big issue for me, besides, there are remedies for that. Overall, IMHO, it's a great radio. Dumbass. Greg |
"Volker Tonn" wrote in message ... Lucky schrieb: ...The only problem I have is the audio of course. Even thru great speakers, it can sound muddy and flat. Not good fidelity even with a very wide filter. ...as a NRD-user you *should* know: Run the audio from the LINE-out through a decent audio-amp or an good active speaker with seperate tone controls. Line-out level is set by a pot accessible on the bottom side of the 525. I'm running the audio thru good speakers only 4 or 5 watts but not thru the Line-Out. I must confess I didn't know about that or forgot. Forgot might be more probable :) I haven't used my 525 in months now. I was switching between the HF-150 and R75 but lately the R75 and HF3. Lucky |
Lucky schrieb: I'm running the audio thru good speakers only 4 or 5 watts but not thru the Line-Out. I must confess I didn't know about that or forgot. Forgot might be more probable :) I haven't used my 525 in months now. I was switching between the HF-150 and R75 but lately the R75 and HF3. Have try to connect the line out with your stereo amp and you will be impressed. :-) |
"Volker Tonn" wrote in message ... Lucky schrieb: I'm running the audio thru good speakers only 4 or 5 watts but not thru the Line-Out. I must confess I didn't know about that or forgot. Forgot might be more probable :) I haven't used my 525 in months now. I was switching between the HF-150 and R75 but lately the R75 and HF3. Have try to connect the line out with your stereo amp and you will be impressed. :-) Good morning Ok thanks a bunch Volker. Next time I set up my 525 I'm going to try it. I do like that receiver but that audio has kept me from using it more. Lucky |
"Volker Tonn" wrote in message ... Lucky schrieb: I'm running the audio thru good speakers only 4 or 5 watts but not thru the Line-Out. I must confess I didn't know about that or forgot. Forgot might be more probable :) I haven't used my 525 in months now. I was switching between the HF-150 and R75 but lately the R75 and HF3. Have try to connect the line out with your stereo amp and you will be impressed. :-) Good morning Ok thanks a bunch Volker. Next time I set up my 525 I'm going to try it. I do like that receiver but that audio has kept me from using it more. Lucky |
"Greg" wrote in message ... From: David Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2005 17:23:06 GMT Subject: R-75 status? On Sat, 16 Jul 2005 11:39:00 -0400, "Lucky" wrote: Yeah, I love the way the solid feel of the NRD-525 controls. It's a well built receiver and it pulls signals out very nicely. The only problem I have is the audio of course. Even thru great speakers, it can sound muddy and flat. Not good fidelity even with a very wide filter. Other then that I like my 525 a lot but use the R75 most of the time. Lucky LMAO. A great radio except it sounds bad. Other than that, it's a fine paperweight. The big knobs impress the chicks. David, My 525 is a great radio. The sometimes poor audio (depending upon what I'm listening to) is not a big issue for me, besides, there are remedies for that. Overall, IMHO, it's a great radio. Dumbass. Greg I agree Greg dumbass......... Lucky |
"Volker Tonn" wrote in message ... Lucky schrieb: I'm running the audio thru good speakers only 4 or 5 watts but not thru the Line-Out. I must confess I didn't know about that or forgot. Forgot might be more probable :) I haven't used my 525 in months now. I was switching between the HF-150 and R75 but lately the R75 and HF3. Have try to connect the line out with your stereo amp and you will be impressed. :-) I don't suppose that is a nice way to avoid the sound issues with the IC-R71A?? --Mike L. |
Michael Lawson wrote:
"Volker Tonn" wrote in message ... Lucky schrieb: I'm running the audio thru good speakers only 4 or 5 watts but not thru the Line-Out. I must confess I didn't know about that or forgot. Forgot might be more probable :) I haven't used my 525 in months now. I was switching between the HF-150 and R75 but lately the R75 and HF3. Have try to connect the line out with your stereo amp and you will be impressed. :-) I don't suppose that is a nice way to avoid the sound issues with the IC-R71A?? --Mike L. Much of the distortion with R71, which can approach 20%, are related to the four mixers. Sometimes a good sound system at the REC out can make an improvement, depending on speaker selection, but often, what a higher definition audio system does, is merely enhance the audibility of the distortion that's otherwise masked by the 'smearing' of the waveform created by the use of ceramic capacitors in the audio path. KIWA offers a nice mod for the audio of R71. And it's reasonably priced. And it DOES clean up the audio path. But the cleaner audio path only served, in the three units I've heard that were so modified, to call attention to distortions that were generated in pre-audio stages. There, currently are no mods to attenuate those distortions. |
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"D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... Michael Lawson wrote: "Volker Tonn" wrote in message ... Lucky schrieb: I'm running the audio thru good speakers only 4 or 5 watts but not thru the Line-Out. I must confess I didn't know about that or forgot. Forgot might be more probable :) I haven't used my 525 in months now. I was switching between the HF-150 and R75 but lately the R75 and HF3. Have try to connect the line out with your stereo amp and you will be impressed. :-) I don't suppose that is a nice way to avoid the sound issues with the IC-R71A?? --Mike L. Much of the distortion with R71, which can approach 20%, are related to the four mixers. Sometimes a good sound system at the REC out can make an improvement, depending on speaker selection, but often, what a higher definition audio system does, is merely enhance the audibility of the distortion that's otherwise masked by the 'smearing' of the waveform created by the use of ceramic capacitors in the audio path. KIWA offers a nice mod for the audio of R71. And it's reasonably priced. And it DOES clean up the audio path. But the cleaner audio path only served, in the three units I've heard that were so modified, to call attention to distortions that were generated in pre-audio stages. There, currently are no mods to attenuate those distortions. How bad is the sound on the R71A, really?? I've had an R70 in the past, and I didn't think it was that bad there, but fidelity wise a Drake or the Sat 800 is better. If it's in the realm of the R70 as far as how bad the sound is, it's livable. I know people who listened to R71 for MWBC all day every day. I was one of them, and I wasn't alone. Unless you're focussing on the audio, it's very likely you'll never notice it. Example, I never really paid attention to the clipping on WLS until I migrated from R71, to Sat 650. The cleaner audio path made the clipping distortion (over processing at the transmitter) noticeable, and on the higher fidelity audio path, irritating. Compared to WGN, it was a night and day difference. When I migrated to Fanfare FTA-100, the difference was greater still. With R71, WGN or WLS...it was AM radio. And there were few apparent differences between the audio of the two. If you didn't have a problem with R70, you won't have a problem with R71. --Mike L. |
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... Michael Lawson wrote: "Volker Tonn" wrote in message ... Lucky schrieb: I'm running the audio thru good speakers only 4 or 5 watts but not thru the Line-Out. I must confess I didn't know about that or forgot. Forgot might be more probable :) I haven't used my 525 in months now. I was switching between the HF-150 and R75 but lately the R75 and HF3. Have try to connect the line out with your stereo amp and you will be impressed. :-) I don't suppose that is a nice way to avoid the sound issues with the IC-R71A?? --Mike L. Much of the distortion with R71, which can approach 20%, are related to the four mixers. Sometimes a good sound system at the REC out can make an improvement, depending on speaker selection, but often, what a higher definition audio system does, is merely enhance the audibility of the distortion that's otherwise masked by the 'smearing' of the waveform created by the use of ceramic capacitors in the audio path. KIWA offers a nice mod for the audio of R71. And it's reasonably priced. And it DOES clean up the audio path. But the cleaner audio path only served, in the three units I've heard that were so modified, to call attention to distortions that were generated in pre-audio stages. There, currently are no mods to attenuate those distortions. How bad is the sound on the R71A, really?? I've had an R70 in the past, and I didn't think it was that bad there, but fidelity wise a Drake or the Sat 800 is better. If it's in the realm of the R70 as far as how bad the sound is, it's livable. --Mike L. |
"D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... Michael Lawson wrote: "D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... Michael Lawson wrote: "Volker Tonn" wrote in message ... Lucky schrieb: I'm running the audio thru good speakers only 4 or 5 watts but not thru the Line-Out. I must confess I didn't know about that or forgot. Forgot might be more probable :) I haven't used my 525 in months now. I was switching between the HF-150 and R75 but lately the R75 and HF3. Have try to connect the line out with your stereo amp and you will be impressed. :-) I don't suppose that is a nice way to avoid the sound issues with the IC-R71A?? --Mike L. Much of the distortion with R71, which can approach 20%, are related to the four mixers. Sometimes a good sound system at the REC out can make an improvement, depending on speaker selection, but often, what a higher definition audio system does, is merely enhance the audibility of the distortion that's otherwise masked by the 'smearing' of the waveform created by the use of ceramic capacitors in the audio path. KIWA offers a nice mod for the audio of R71. And it's reasonably priced. And it DOES clean up the audio path. But the cleaner audio path only served, in the three units I've heard that were so modified, to call attention to distortions that were generated in pre-audio stages. There, currently are no mods to attenuate those distortions. How bad is the sound on the R71A, really?? I've had an R70 in the past, and I didn't think it was that bad there, but fidelity wise a Drake or the Sat 800 is better. If it's in the realm of the R70 as far as how bad the sound is, it's livable. I know people who listened to R71 for MWBC all day every day. I was one of them, and I wasn't alone. Unless you're focussing on the audio, it's very likely you'll never notice it. Example, I never really paid attention to the clipping on WLS until I migrated from R71, to Sat 650. The cleaner audio path made the clipping distortion (over processing at the transmitter) noticeable, and on the higher fidelity audio path, irritating. Compared to WGN, it was a night and day difference. When I migrated to Fanfare FTA-100, the difference was greater still. With R71, WGN or WLS...it was AM radio. And there were few apparent differences between the audio of the two. If you didn't have a problem with R70, you won't have a problem with R71. Hmm. I guess then I can live with it. Maybe next year (or the year after) I'll try to obtain one of them (or the R-5000) via eBay. Methinks that the R8B will have to wait a while until the used prices return to normal. --Mike L. |
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"John Smith" wrote in message ... People can purchase a whole computer, including monitor and keyboard for less than darn glorified radio... ... obliviously, this is not working like it used to... Buy a cheap degen, put up a good antenna and you are in business... $500+ dollars more just for a bit of signal improvement is obviously not worth it, only the brain dead still pursue that route... John "Alan Dye" wrote in message . .. wrote: This is probably nothing, but I noticed that Universal has deleted the message that once used to be on its R-75 ad, stating that the R-75 is discontinued. I then went to the Icom America website, and noticed that the R-75 is there, even though I seem to recall its having been removed at one point. Is there more to this than I think? Steve I was in ham radio outlet in Sunnyvale, CA yesterday and asked about this particular issue as there are not many SWL receivers now in the ~$500 range. I was told that they had talked to Icom about it (They move a LOT of Icom out of this HRO location, very friendly with them.) and that Icom had to discontinue it because one of the key component suppliers went out of business and there weren't alternatives for that component. They said they had spoken to Icom and that they were working on redesigning the R75 into a new radio without the component. If this is in fact true, they'll likely release it as a new radio. (Anyone for an IC-R85?) Icom, if you're reading this, please fix the SSB on the new one, and keep all the stuff about the R75 we all love. Oh, and it would be really nice if you continue to include the DSP option, in fact, just put it in as standard at the factory. Widen out the AM just a tad to improve program listening for those of us who don't always want to chase utility, improve the speaker just a bit too. Oh, and try to keep the ~$500 price point, I think that is the sweet spot for tabletop units. Should produce enough sales volume for you to own this segment of the tabletop market. I'd even pay ~$600 for all the improvements. p.s. a nice option would be a daughter board like the JRC-545 for a few hundred dollars that allows me to expand it into a wide-coverage receiver. That way you won't have to put out a replacement for the 8500... I don't think that is fair or nice statement. While I like my DE 1103 a lot, I sure as hell can't DX on it like I can on my R75. And I'm insulted you group people in this hobby as "brain dead" cause they want a better quality receiver. You cannot compare the Degen to the Icom R75 with even the best of antennas. Yes you'll pick up many of the signals but that's it. Not very enjoyable listening for SSB but for outdoor use it suffices. Lucky |
Yanno...
I have a Corvette, a buick and a harley--all of 'em will get me to the store and back, the cars work better when it is raining... I look kewl'er on the harley when at the bar chatting up the girls... grin John "Lucky" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message ... People can purchase a whole computer, including monitor and keyboard for less than darn glorified radio... ... obliviously, this is not working like it used to... Buy a cheap degen, put up a good antenna and you are in business... $500+ dollars more just for a bit of signal improvement is obviously not worth it, only the brain dead still pursue that route... John "Alan Dye" wrote in message . .. wrote: This is probably nothing, but I noticed that Universal has deleted the message that once used to be on its R-75 ad, stating that the R-75 is discontinued. I then went to the Icom America website, and noticed that the R-75 is there, even though I seem to recall its having been removed at one point. Is there more to this than I think? Steve I was in ham radio outlet in Sunnyvale, CA yesterday and asked about this particular issue as there are not many SWL receivers now in the ~$500 range. I was told that they had talked to Icom about it (They move a LOT of Icom out of this HRO location, very friendly with them.) and that Icom had to discontinue it because one of the key component suppliers went out of business and there weren't alternatives for that component. They said they had spoken to Icom and that they were working on redesigning the R75 into a new radio without the component. If this is in fact true, they'll likely release it as a new radio. (Anyone for an IC-R85?) Icom, if you're reading this, please fix the SSB on the new one, and keep all the stuff about the R75 we all love. Oh, and it would be really nice if you continue to include the DSP option, in fact, just put it in as standard at the factory. Widen out the AM just a tad to improve program listening for those of us who don't always want to chase utility, improve the speaker just a bit too. Oh, and try to keep the ~$500 price point, I think that is the sweet spot for tabletop units. Should produce enough sales volume for you to own this segment of the tabletop market. I'd even pay ~$600 for all the improvements. p.s. a nice option would be a daughter board like the JRC-545 for a few hundred dollars that allows me to expand it into a wide-coverage receiver. That way you won't have to put out a replacement for the 8500... I don't think that is fair or nice statement. While I like my DE 1103 a lot, I sure as hell can't DX on it like I can on my R75. And I'm insulted you group people in this hobby as "brain dead" cause they want a better quality receiver. You cannot compare the Degen to the Icom R75 with even the best of antennas. Yes you'll pick up many of the signals but that's it. Not very enjoyable listening for SSB but for outdoor use it suffices. Lucky |
In fact, why bother with any of this ancient junk being sold at too
high a price... Here is 9Khz to 180Mhz for anyone with a computer, I got mine off ebay for $200, but suddenly don't see 'em there any more, guess the idgits that wanna pay too much have already chased the price up quite a bit! http://www.thiecom.de/english/g313i/ All you need is a computer with pci slots and you have a real state-of-the-art receiver... John "Lucky" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message ... People can purchase a whole computer, including monitor and keyboard for less than darn glorified radio... ... obliviously, this is not working like it used to... Buy a cheap degen, put up a good antenna and you are in business... $500+ dollars more just for a bit of signal improvement is obviously not worth it, only the brain dead still pursue that route... John "Alan Dye" wrote in message . .. wrote: This is probably nothing, but I noticed that Universal has deleted the message that once used to be on its R-75 ad, stating that the R-75 is discontinued. I then went to the Icom America website, and noticed that the R-75 is there, even though I seem to recall its having been removed at one point. Is there more to this than I think? Steve I was in ham radio outlet in Sunnyvale, CA yesterday and asked about this particular issue as there are not many SWL receivers now in the ~$500 range. I was told that they had talked to Icom about it (They move a LOT of Icom out of this HRO location, very friendly with them.) and that Icom had to discontinue it because one of the key component suppliers went out of business and there weren't alternatives for that component. They said they had spoken to Icom and that they were working on redesigning the R75 into a new radio without the component. If this is in fact true, they'll likely release it as a new radio. (Anyone for an IC-R85?) Icom, if you're reading this, please fix the SSB on the new one, and keep all the stuff about the R75 we all love. Oh, and it would be really nice if you continue to include the DSP option, in fact, just put it in as standard at the factory. Widen out the AM just a tad to improve program listening for those of us who don't always want to chase utility, improve the speaker just a bit too. Oh, and try to keep the ~$500 price point, I think that is the sweet spot for tabletop units. Should produce enough sales volume for you to own this segment of the tabletop market. I'd even pay ~$600 for all the improvements. p.s. a nice option would be a daughter board like the JRC-545 for a few hundred dollars that allows me to expand it into a wide-coverage receiver. That way you won't have to put out a replacement for the 8500... I don't think that is fair or nice statement. While I like my DE 1103 a lot, I sure as hell can't DX on it like I can on my R75. And I'm insulted you group people in this hobby as "brain dead" cause they want a better quality receiver. You cannot compare the Degen to the Icom R75 with even the best of antennas. Yes you'll pick up many of the signals but that's it. Not very enjoyable listening for SSB but for outdoor use it suffices. Lucky |
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