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R-75 status?
This is probably nothing, but I noticed that Universal has deleted the
message that once used to be on its R-75 ad, stating that the R-75 is discontinued. I then went to the Icom America website, and noticed that the R-75 is there, even though I seem to recall its having been removed at one point. Is there more to this than I think? Steve |
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In article , D Peter Maus wrote: wrote: This is probably nothing, but I noticed that Universal has deleted the message that once used to be on its R-75 ad, stating that the R-75 is discontinued. I then went to the Icom America website, and noticed that the R-75 is there, even though I seem to recall its having been removed at one point. Is there more to this than I think? Steve That's a good question. And one that bears investigating. In the last few years, a number of the major manufacturers of desktops have exited, or threatened to exit, the market. At least in North America. AOR withdrew 7030 and its variants from the US market. Icom announced the discontinuation of R-75. Drake appears to have left the building. Yeasu had announced that it had gigged the Frog. And yet, FRG-100B appears to be alive and well. AOR returned 7030+ to North America, and R-75's demise appears to be on hold. It may be that with declining competition, some manufacturers are rethinking their product life cycles. In the case of Icom, they're still in production with a wide range of radio gear, some popular HF ham gear included. With the appropriate economies of scale, production of R-75 in a competition reduced market could remain profitable. Has anyone contacted Bellevue for a definitive position on R-75? Maybe they did one last production run. That's a good thought. And it's possible that Japan hasn't really been clear with Retail. If you'll recall when R-75 was released, I mentioned here a conversation with an ICOM rep I'd had at a ham show in which the rep said that complaints as echoed here about R-75's sync detector had been heard loud and clear in the hallowed halls. And that there were, indeed, revisions coming. And that the case clearly contained space for future hardware developments. Additional conversations with other ICOM reps repeated these details. But no such revisions have been forthcoming, to date. Conversations I've had with Bellevue, over the years, have indicated that they really don't know what the hell Japan is doing. So, your thought is as good as any. |
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, D Peter Maus wrote: Telamon wrote: In article , D Peter Maus wrote: wrote: This is probably nothing, but I noticed that Universal has deleted the message that once used to be on its R-75 ad, stating that the R-75 is discontinued. I then went to the Icom America website, and noticed that the R-75 is there, even though I seem to recall its having been removed at one point. Is there more to this than I think? Steve That's a good question. And one that bears investigating. In the last few years, a number of the major manufacturers of desktops have exited, or threatened to exit, the market. At least in North America. AOR withdrew 7030 and its variants from the US market. Icom announced the discontinuation of R-75. Drake appears to have left the building. Yeasu had announced that it had gigged the Frog. And yet, FRG-100B appears to be alive and well. AOR returned 7030+ to North America, and R-75's demise appears to be on hold. It may be that with declining competition, some manufacturers are rethinking their product life cycles. In the case of Icom, they're still in production with a wide range of radio gear, some popular HF ham gear included. With the appropriate economies of scale, production of R-75 in a competition reduced market could remain profitable. Has anyone contacted Bellevue for a definitive position on R-75? Maybe they did one last production run. That's a good thought. And it's possible that Japan hasn't really been clear with Retail. If you'll recall when R-75 was released, I mentioned here a conversation with an ICOM rep I'd had at a ham show in which the rep said that complaints as echoed here about R-75's sync detector had been heard loud and clear in the hallowed halls. And that there were, indeed, revisions coming. And that the case clearly contained space for future hardware developments. Additional conversations with other ICOM reps repeated these details. But no such revisions have been forthcoming, to date. Conversations I've had with Bellevue, over the years, have indicated that they really don't know what the hell Japan is doing. So, your thought is as good as any. Oh! So they might actually fix it. That is good news. If it get fixed right I might buy one. It would have to be offered with some filter options good SWBC listening for me to consider it. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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In article , D Peter Maus wrote: Telamon wrote: In article , D Peter Maus wrote: wrote: This is probably nothing, but I noticed that Universal has deleted the message that once used to be on its R-75 ad, stating that the R-75 is discontinued. I then went to the Icom America website, and noticed that the R-75 is there, even though I seem to recall its having been removed at one point. Is there more to this than I think? Steve That's a good question. And one that bears investigating. In the last few years, a number of the major manufacturers of desktops have exited, or threatened to exit, the market. At least in North America. AOR withdrew 7030 and its variants from the US market. Icom announced the discontinuation of R-75. Drake appears to have left the building. Yeasu had announced that it had gigged the Frog. And yet, FRG-100B appears to be alive and well. AOR returned 7030+ to North America, and R-75's demise appears to be on hold. It may be that with declining competition, some manufacturers are rethinking their product life cycles. In the case of Icom, they're still in production with a wide range of radio gear, some popular HF ham gear included. With the appropriate economies of scale, production of R-75 in a competition reduced market could remain profitable. Has anyone contacted Bellevue for a definitive position on R-75? Maybe they did one last production run. That's a good thought. And it's possible that Japan hasn't really been clear with Retail. If you'll recall when R-75 was released, I mentioned here a conversation with an ICOM rep I'd had at a ham show in which the rep said that complaints as echoed here about R-75's sync detector had been heard loud and clear in the hallowed halls. And that there were, indeed, revisions coming. And that the case clearly contained space for future hardware developments. Additional conversations with other ICOM reps repeated these details. But no such revisions have been forthcoming, to date. Conversations I've had with Bellevue, over the years, have indicated that they really don't know what the hell Japan is doing. So, your thought is as good as any. Oh! So they might actually fix it. That is good news. If it get fixed right I might buy one. It would have to be offered with some filter options good SWBC listening for me to consider it. Don't hold your breath. The conversation referred took place several years ago. You know, I've played with R-75 on and off since it's release. It's not a bad radio. Not a 'best in class', except that it's pretty much the only one left in that class. For the money it wasn't exactly a bad value. As has been pointed out here, though, a number of times, it's a start out of the box, but requires finishing. If you have to drop coin to modify it to get the radio it should have been all along, then there are probably better alternatives. Absent any competition in class, ICOM wouldn't be too highly motivated to put forth the effort. I've owned and still own a number of ICOM radios. Still use R-10 and R-7000 every day. And I owned R-71a for years. Wouldn't mind having that one back. But some of the corners cut by ICOM to save a few sheckels is baffling on radios of their otherwise significant quality. The result is a lot of promise, but, too often, short delivery. |
On Sun, 10 Jul 2005 21:23:35 GMT, D Peter Maus
wrote: You know, I've played with R-75 on and off since it's release. It's not a bad radio. Not a 'best in class', except that it's pretty much the only one left in that class. For the money it wasn't exactly a bad value. As has been pointed out here, though, a number of times, it's a start out of the box, but requires finishing. If you have to drop coin to modify it to get the radio it should have been all along, then there are probably better alternatives. Absent any competition in class, ICOM wouldn't be too highly motivated to put forth the effort. I've owned and still own a number of ICOM radios. Still use R-10 and R-7000 every day. And I owned R-71a for years. Wouldn't mind having that one back. But some of the corners cut by ICOM to save a few sheckels is baffling on radios of their otherwise significant quality. The result is a lot of promise, but, too often, short delivery. I like mine just fine out of the box. Well worth $500. The SSB works very well for Utes, as well as MWDX and SWBC. The DSP is OK, but doesn't enhance readability much. Notch filters are fun on WWV. |
I still wonder what the sales level has been for shortwave receivers for the
last three or four years. I have never seen any data but I wonder how dismal the sales were and how much the web hurt. The number of people willing to shell out many hundreds of $$ for a shortwave radio may have shrunk to a very small number. Anyone seen any sales data for the last crop of receivers (R8B, R-75, RX-350, NRD-545)? -- Brian Denley http://home.comcast.net/~b.denley/index.html |
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"D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... Telamon wrote: In article , D Peter Maus wrote: Telamon wrote: In article , D Peter Maus wrote: wrote: This is probably nothing, but I noticed that Universal has deleted the message that once used to be on its R-75 ad, stating that the R-75 is discontinued. I then went to the Icom America website, and noticed that the R-75 is there, even though I seem to recall its having been removed at one point. Is there more to this than I think? Steve That's a good question. And one that bears investigating. In the last few years, a number of the major manufacturers of desktops have exited, or threatened to exit, the market. At least in North America. AOR withdrew 7030 and its variants from the US market. Icom announced the discontinuation of R-75. Drake appears to have left the building. Yeasu had announced that it had gigged the Frog. And yet, FRG-100B appears to be alive and well. AOR returned 7030+ to North America, and R-75's demise appears to be on hold. It may be that with declining competition, some manufacturers are rethinking their product life cycles. In the case of Icom, they're still in production with a wide range of radio gear, some popular HF ham gear included. With the appropriate economies of scale, production of R-75 in a competition reduced market could remain profitable. Has anyone contacted Bellevue for a definitive position on R-75? Maybe they did one last production run. That's a good thought. And it's possible that Japan hasn't really been clear with Retail. If you'll recall when R-75 was released, I mentioned here a conversation with an ICOM rep I'd had at a ham show in which the rep said that complaints as echoed here about R-75's sync detector had been heard loud and clear in the hallowed halls. And that there were, indeed, revisions coming. And that the case clearly contained space for future hardware developments. Additional conversations with other ICOM reps repeated these details. But no such revisions have been forthcoming, to date. Conversations I've had with Bellevue, over the years, have indicated that they really don't know what the hell Japan is doing. So, your thought is as good as any. Oh! So they might actually fix it. That is good news. If it get fixed right I might buy one. It would have to be offered with some filter options good SWBC listening for me to consider it. Don't hold your breath. The conversation referred took place several years ago. You know, I've played with R-75 on and off since it's release. It's not a bad radio. Not a 'best in class', except that it's pretty much the only one left in that class. For the money it wasn't exactly a bad value. As has been pointed out here, though, a number of times, it's a start out of the box, but requires finishing. If you have to drop coin to modify it to get the radio it should have been all along, then there are probably better alternatives. Absent any competition in class, ICOM wouldn't be too highly motivated to put forth the effort. I've owned and still own a number of ICOM radios. Still use R-10 and R-7000 every day. And I owned R-71a for years. Wouldn't mind having that one back. But some of the corners cut by ICOM to save a few sheckels is baffling on radios of their otherwise significant quality. The result is a lot of promise, but, too often, short delivery. Hi Peter, I own several radios and for the money, the R75 just can't be beat. It just can't. I paid $425 after specials for mine brand new w/DSP. The performance outta that receiver is freaking amazing for me here in Florida. If I need to pull a signal out of total garbage and can make out what's being sent I can do it with the R75. The Twin PBT with the coupling of different filters {I have a pair of 2.8's added} and the DSP that is not bad at all, makes this a superb unit for the price. Add the remote control option and the UT-102 voice synthesizer and it's a very fun unit. I don't know how any SWL-DX'er in the know doesn't own one unless it's a more expensive unit. Just MHO :) Lucky |
Brian Denley wrote: I still wonder what the sales level has been for shortwave receivers for the last three or four years. I have never seen any data but I wonder how dismal the sales were and how much the web hurt. The number of people willing to shell out many hundreds of $$ for a shortwave radio may have shrunk to a very small number. Anyone seen any sales data for the last crop of receivers (R8B, R-75, RX-350, NRD-545)? I don't know of a reliable source that would consolidate sales volume for shortwave receivers. I'm sure the folks at WRTH, Grove and PBWR have a pretty good sense for the way sales are going, getting them to release anything might be impossible. Unfortunately we can infer not-too-good-news about the volume of sales by looking at the number of shortwave retail outlets that have closed and the number of companies that dropped out of the shortwave market. |
"Lucky" wrote in message ... "D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... Telamon wrote: In article , D Peter Maus wrote: Telamon wrote: In article , D Peter Maus wrote: wrote: This is probably nothing, but I noticed that Universal has deleted the message that once used to be on its R-75 ad, stating that the R-75 is discontinued. I then went to the Icom America website, and noticed that the R-75 is there, even though I seem to recall its having been removed at one point. Is there more to this than I think? Steve That's a good question. And one that bears investigating. In the last few years, a number of the major manufacturers of desktops have exited, or threatened to exit, the market. At least in North America. AOR withdrew 7030 and its variants from the US market. Icom announced the discontinuation of R-75. Drake appears to have left the building. Yeasu had announced that it had gigged the Frog. And yet, FRG-100B appears to be alive and well. AOR returned 7030+ to North America, and R-75's demise appears to be on hold. It may be that with declining competition, some manufacturers are rethinking their product life cycles. In the case of Icom, they're still in production with a wide range of radio gear, some popular HF ham gear included. With the appropriate economies of scale, production of R-75 in a competition reduced market could remain profitable. Has anyone contacted Bellevue for a definitive position on R-75? Maybe they did one last production run. That's a good thought. And it's possible that Japan hasn't really been clear with Retail. If you'll recall when R-75 was released, I mentioned here a conversation with an ICOM rep I'd had at a ham show in which the rep said that complaints as echoed here about R-75's sync detector had been heard loud and clear in the hallowed halls. And that there were, indeed, revisions coming. And that the case clearly contained space for future hardware developments. Additional conversations with other ICOM reps repeated these details. But no such revisions have been forthcoming, to date. Conversations I've had with Bellevue, over the years, have indicated that they really don't know what the hell Japan is doing. So, your thought is as good as any. Oh! So they might actually fix it. That is good news. If it get fixed right I might buy one. It would have to be offered with some filter options good SWBC listening for me to consider it. Don't hold your breath. The conversation referred took place several years ago. You know, I've played with R-75 on and off since it's release. It's not a bad radio. Not a 'best in class', except that it's pretty much the only one left in that class. For the money it wasn't exactly a bad value. As has been pointed out here, though, a number of times, it's a start out of the box, but requires finishing. If you have to drop coin to modify it to get the radio it should have been all along, then there are probably better alternatives. Absent any competition in class, ICOM wouldn't be too highly motivated to put forth the effort. I've owned and still own a number of ICOM radios. Still use R-10 and R-7000 every day. And I owned R-71a for years. Wouldn't mind having that one back. But some of the corners cut by ICOM to save a few sheckels is baffling on radios of their otherwise significant quality. The result is a lot of promise, but, too often, short delivery. Hi Peter, I own several radios and for the money, the R75 just can't be beat. It just can't. I paid $425 after specials for mine brand new w/DSP. The performance outta that receiver is freaking amazing for me here in Florida. If I need to pull a signal out of total garbage and can make out what's being sent I can do it with the R75. The Twin PBT with the coupling of different filters {I have a pair of 2.8's added} and the DSP that is not bad at all, makes this a superb unit for the price. Add the remote control option and the UT-102 voice synthesizer and it's a very fun unit. I don't know how any SWL-DX'er in the know doesn't own one unless it's a more expensive unit. Just MHO :) Lucky I agree with you 100 %. I use an R-75 as my primary radio. It is a great radio for DX. I got mine brand new for under $500.00 with the free UT-106 unit included. I almost always use ecss tuning with the R-75 in ssb mode when I scout for DX. I find that there isn't anything that I can hear with the R-75 that I can hear with more expensive radios. Earlier in the year, I was considering getting a new radio as an upgrade to the R-75. I was lucky enough to be able to borrow an NRD-545 from a friend to do some experimenting. I found that the R-75 was just as capable as the NRD-545. The experimentation convinced me not to spend more money on a new radio. I came up with the conclusion that regardless of what radio I get, I wont be able to hear anything that I cant hear on my R-75. This is partly a compliment to the R-75 and partly a realization that my geographic area is not a good area to DX in. I live in a highly populated area in NJ with lots of noise sources. No matter how expensive of a receiver I get, it wont matter one bit !!! My DX bottle-neck is my area and not my radio. Still... The R-75 does quite well considering !!! Michael |
Michael wrote: I agree with you 100 %. I use an R-75 as my primary radio. It is a great radio for DX. I got mine brand new for under $500.00 with the free UT-106 unit included. I almost always use ecss tuning with the R-75 in ssb mode when I scout for DX. I find that there isn't anything that I can hear with the R-75 that I can hear with more expensive radios. Earlier in the year, I was considering getting a new radio as an upgrade to the R-75. I was lucky enough to be able to borrow an NRD-545 from a friend to do some experimenting. I found that the R-75 was just as capable as the NRD-545. The experimentation convinced me not to spend more money on a new radio. I came up with the conclusion that regardless of what radio I get, I wont be able to hear anything that I cant hear on my R-75. This is partly a compliment to the R-75 and partly a realization that my geographic area is not a good area to DX in. I live in a highly populated area in NJ with lots of noise sources. No matter how expensive of a receiver I get, it wont matter one bit !!! My DX bottle-neck is my area and not my radio. Still... The R-75 does quite well considering !!! Michael I think this is true of most people. It's hard to find truly quiet reception anymore. Recently I visited family in West Central Kentucky. I was about a mile outside of a small town with a population of approximately 3000. I was all psyched up, thinking that it would be a super quiet spot for a little DXing. However, it seemed only marginally quieter than Brooklyn--at least during the week I spent there! It's just harder and harder to find quiet places. Steve |
wrote in message oups.com... Michael wrote: I agree with you 100 %. I use an R-75 as my primary radio. It is a great radio for DX. I got mine brand new for under $500.00 with the free UT-106 unit included. I almost always use ecss tuning with the R-75 in ssb mode when I scout for DX. I find that there isn't anything that I can hear with the R-75 that I can hear with more expensive radios. Earlier in the year, I was considering getting a new radio as an upgrade to the R-75. I was lucky enough to be able to borrow an NRD-545 from a friend to do some experimenting. I found that the R-75 was just as capable as the NRD-545. The experimentation convinced me not to spend more money on a new radio. I came up with the conclusion that regardless of what radio I get, I wont be able to hear anything that I cant hear on my R-75. This is partly a compliment to the R-75 and partly a realization that my geographic area is not a good area to DX in. I live in a highly populated area in NJ with lots of noise sources. No matter how expensive of a receiver I get, it wont matter one bit !!! My DX bottle-neck is my area and not my radio. Still... The R-75 does quite well considering !!! Michael I think this is true of most people. It's hard to find truly quiet reception anymore. Recently I visited family in West Central Kentucky. I was about a mile outside of a small town with a population of approximately 3000. I was all psyched up, thinking that it would be a super quiet spot for a little DXing. However, it seemed only marginally quieter than Brooklyn--at least during the week I spent there! It's just harder and harder to find quiet places. Steve I'd be psyched too at the prospect of trying out my gear in a rural area. I'm surprised you didn't get better results in KY as compared to Brooklyn. A few years back I took a Sony 7600g and 100' of wire with me on a trip to up state NY. I was amazed at how low the noise floor was in comparison to what I'm used to here in north NJ. Along with that, I was also astounded by the number of stars that I could see in the night sky. Michael |
"Michael" wrote:
I find that there isn't anything that I can hear with the R-75 that I can hear with more expensive radios. That's true. Images, birdies, artifacts, intermodulation products -- it's all there. The R-75 is dumpster fodder. Value? yep. Value for money? yep. Absolutely a good value? Not even close. You need to experience a truly good radio. See http://www.sherweng.com for some guidelines. |
For the category of SWBC listening and DXing, the satellit 800 is a far
superior product, really there is no comparison 1) better sound 2) better selectivity in the stock versions 3) FAR better sync detector, even if it is a fixed version ! Hi Peter, I own several radios and for the money, the R75 just can't be beat. It just can't. I paid $425 after specials for mine brand new w/DSP. The performance outta that receiver is freaking amazing for me here in Florida. If I need to pull a signal out of total garbage and can make out what's being sent I can do it with the R75. The Twin PBT with the coupling of different filters {I have a pair of 2.8's added} and the DSP that is not bad at all, makes this a superb unit for the price. Add the remote control option and the UT-102 voice synthesizer and it's a very fun unit. I don't know how any SWL-DX'er in the know doesn't own one unless it's a more expensive unit. Just MHO :) Lucky |
"mike maghakian" wrote in message ... For the category of SWBC listening and DXing, the satellit 800 is a far superior product, really there is no comparison 1) better sound 2) better selectivity in the stock versions 3) FAR better sync detector, even if it is a fixed version ! Your saying the Sat 800 is a better radio then the R-75 for DX'ing ??? "Medication time" Michael |
"Eric F. Richards" wrote in message ... "Michael" wrote: I find that there isn't anything that I can hear with the R-75 that I can hear with more expensive radios. That's true. Images, birdies, artifacts, intermodulation products -- it's all there. The R-75 is dumpster fodder. Value? yep. Value for money? yep. Absolutely a good value? Not even close. You need to experience a truly good radio. See http://www.sherweng.com for some guidelines. Let me get this straight..... "Dumpster Fodder ???" Your getting carried away.... Recommend a better radio that will have a PRACTICAL improvement over an R-75 without spending over $ 1,000.00 Please dont spit out specs that hardly differ from that of the R-75 and are not statistically significant PRACTICALLY speaking. Tell me what radio NEW out of the box will give me a PRACTICAL improvement on my R-75 for under $1,000.00 and I'll buy it this week. Remember, this is for DX'ing. I dont want a boom box. Michael |
Michael wrote: "Eric F. Richards" wrote in message ... "Michael" wrote: I find that there isn't anything that I can hear with the R-75 that I can hear with more expensive radios. That's true. Images, birdies, artifacts, intermodulation products -- it's all there. The R-75 is dumpster fodder. Value? yep. Value for money? yep. Absolutely a good value? Not even close. You need to experience a truly good radio. See http://www.sherweng.com for some guidelines. Let me get this straight..... "Dumpster Fodder ???" Your getting carried away.... Personally, I wouldn't even have one around for use as a doorstop. dxAce Michigan USA http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
"dxAce" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: "Eric F. Richards" wrote in message ... "Michael" wrote: I find that there isn't anything that I can hear with the R-75 that I can hear with more expensive radios. That's true. Images, birdies, artifacts, intermodulation products -- it's all there. The R-75 is dumpster fodder. Value? yep. Value for money? yep. Absolutely a good value? Not even close. You need to experience a truly good radio. See http://www.sherweng.com for some guidelines. Let me get this straight..... "Dumpster Fodder ???" Your getting carried away.... Personally, I wouldn't even have one around for use as a doorstop. Yes... I understand your reasoning here. In your case having an R-75 to use as a doorstop would be redundant. You've already got you head to act in that capacity. And, it is far better suited to the task. |
Michael wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: "Eric F. Richards" wrote in message ... "Michael" wrote: I find that there isn't anything that I can hear with the R-75 that I can hear with more expensive radios. That's true. Images, birdies, artifacts, intermodulation products -- it's all there. The R-75 is dumpster fodder. Value? yep. Value for money? yep. Absolutely a good value? Not even close. You need to experience a truly good radio. See http://www.sherweng.com for some guidelines. Let me get this straight..... "Dumpster Fodder ???" Your getting carried away.... Personally, I wouldn't even have one around for use as a doorstop. Yes... I understand your reasoning here. In your case having an R-75 to use as a doorstop would be redundant. You've already got you head to act in that capacity. And, it is far better suited to the task. Keep trying 'tard, and I'll keep laughing! dxAce Michigan USA http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
You can't recognize a TROLL when you see one?
"Michael" wrote in message ... "mike maghakian" wrote in message ... For the category of SWBC listening and DXing, the satellit 800 is a far superior product, really there is no comparison 1) better sound 2) better selectivity in the stock versions 3) FAR better sync detector, even if it is a fixed version ! Your saying the Sat 800 is a better radio then the R-75 for DX'ing ??? "Medication time" Michael |
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:08:37 -0400, "Michael"
wrote: "mike maghakian" wrote in message ... For the category of SWBC listening and DXing, the satellit 800 is a far superior product, really there is no comparison 1) better sound 2) better selectivity in the stock versions 3) FAR better sync detector, even if it is a fixed version ! Your saying the Sat 800 is a better radio then the R-75 for DX'ing ??? "Medication time" Michael ''Listener fatigue'' is a factor in some kinds of DXing. |
"Eric F. Richards" wrote in message ... "Michael" wrote: I find that there isn't anything that I can hear with the R-75 that I can hear with more expensive radios. That's true. Images, birdies, artifacts, intermodulation products -- it's all there. The R-75 is dumpster fodder. Value? yep. Value for money? yep. Absolutely a good value? Not even close. You need to experience a truly good radio. See http://www.sherweng.com for some guidelines. I personally think you made a fool out of yourself with your drivel and that's about it. Lucky |
"Michael" wrote in message ... "dxAce" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: "Eric F. Richards" wrote in message ... "Michael" wrote: I find that there isn't anything that I can hear with the R-75 that I can hear with more expensive radios. That's true. Images, birdies, artifacts, intermodulation products -- it's all there. The R-75 is dumpster fodder. Value? yep. Value for money? yep. Absolutely a good value? Not even close. You need to experience a truly good radio. See http://www.sherweng.com for some guidelines. Let me get this straight..... "Dumpster Fodder ???" Your getting carried away.... Personally, I wouldn't even have one around for use as a doorstop. Yes... I understand your reasoning here. In your case having an R-75 to use as a doorstop would be redundant. You've already got you head to act in that capacity. And, it is far better suited to the task. LOL! I love it. Thanks Mike :) Lucky |
Michael wrote:
"Eric F. Richards" wrote in message ... "Michael" wrote: I find that there isn't anything that I can hear with the R-75 that I can hear with more expensive radios. That's true. Images, birdies, artifacts, intermodulation products -- it's all there. The R-75 is dumpster fodder. Value? yep. Value for money? yep. Absolutely a good value? Not even close. You need to experience a truly good radio. See http://www.sherweng.com for some guidelines. Let me get this straight..... "Dumpster Fodder ???" Your getting carried away.... Recommend a better radio that will have a PRACTICAL improvement over an R-75 without spending over $ 1,000.00 Please dont spit out specs that hardly differ from that of the R-75 and are not statistically significant PRACTICALLY speaking. Tell me what radio NEW out of the box will give me a PRACTICAL improvement on my R-75 for under $1,000.00 and I'll buy it this week. Remember, this is for DX'ing. I dont want a boom box. Michael Can you list the radios that fall in the $500-$1000 price range the might be candidates for comparison? They would have to be generally available within the US. The radios in the list I'm asking for don't have to meet your "PRACTICAL improvement" criteria. What does "statistically significant PRACTICALLY speaking" mean? craigm |
Lucky wrote: "Eric F. Richards" wrote in message ... "Michael" wrote: I find that there isn't anything that I can hear with the R-75 that I can hear with more expensive radios. That's true. Images, birdies, artifacts, intermodulation products -- it's all there. The R-75 is dumpster fodder. Value? yep. Value for money? yep. Absolutely a good value? Not even close. You need to experience a truly good radio. See http://www.sherweng.com for some guidelines. I personally think you made a fool out of yourself with your drivel and that's about it. If you think Sherwood Engineering is drivel then you are far more stupid than I've been led to believe, 'tard boy. dxAce Michigan USA http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
"craigm" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: "Eric F. Richards" wrote in message ... "Michael" wrote: I find that there isn't anything that I can hear with the R-75 that I can hear with more expensive radios. That's true. Images, birdies, artifacts, intermodulation products -- it's all there. The R-75 is dumpster fodder. Value? yep. Value for money? yep. Absolutely a good value? Not even close. You need to experience a truly good radio. See http://www.sherweng.com for some guidelines. Let me get this straight..... "Dumpster Fodder ???" Your getting carried away.... Recommend a better radio that will have a PRACTICAL improvement over an R-75 without spending over $ 1,000.00 Please dont spit out specs that hardly differ from that of the R-75 and are not statistically significant PRACTICALLY speaking. Tell me what radio NEW out of the box will give me a PRACTICAL improvement on my R-75 for under $1,000.00 and I'll buy it this week. Remember, this is for DX'ing. I dont want a boom box. Michael Can you list the radios that fall in the $500-$1000 price range the might be candidates for comparison? They would have to be generally available within the US. Other then a few computer controlled alternatives, there are no other choices other then the R-75. That's the larger point. The radios in the list I'm asking for don't have to meet your "PRACTICAL improvement" criteria. What does "statistically significant PRACTICALLY speaking" mean? craigm Meaning exactly as stated. Here is an example: The Drake R-8 was tested to have a sensitivity of 0.25 and 0.18 with the pre amp on. The R-75 was tested to have a sensitivy of 0.5 and .02 with the first level pre amp on The Kenwood R-5000 was tested to have a sensitivity of .02 The NRD-525 was tested to have a sensitivity of .02 OK, what do you say ???? You can see what receiver gets the better test numbers here. Think it matters PRACTICALLY speaking given what typical noise floors are ??? Would you feel it was worth it to spend a few thousand dollars to get that extra decimal ??? This applies equally to other values. Do you understand my point yet ???? Michael |
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Keep trying 'tard, and I'll keep laughing! ....yawwwnnnn.... mike |
Michael wrote: Other then a few computer controlled alternatives, there are no other choices other then the R-75. That's the larger point. Michael Well, there's the Palstar R30C and R30CC: http://www.rffun.com/catalog/commrxvr/0330.html Steve |
wrote in message ups.com... Michael wrote: Other then a few computer controlled alternatives, there are no other choices other then the R-75. That's the larger point. Michael Well, there's the Palstar R30C and R30CC: http://www.rffun.com/catalog/commrxvr/0330.html Steve Under $ 1,000 but still more then the R-75. I think they sell for about $ 650.00. I looked into this radio not too long ago. Obviously, there is a lack of interface features. Worse then that, ECSS tuning for DX'ing could be a bit problematic due to it's 20 Hz minumum tuning incraments. That will absolutely NOT due. Not even for $300.00 brand new. I'd take the R-75 over this ANY day of the week even if the Palstar wasn't more expensive. Michael |
this is not a troll this is FACT
what it takes you half an hour to do with an R75, I can do in 5 seconds with a satellit 800, and it would probably still be better. I have owned several R75's with different configurations so I KNOW what I am talking about. and the fixed SYNC on the 75 is still pathetic compared to the 800. FACT NOW I DID SAY SWBC, the 800 is a bit handicapped for code/RTTY etc where really tight selectivity is needed. but for AM mode, the 800 is unbeatable, this is FACT "Michael" wrote in message ... "mike maghakian" wrote in message ... For the category of SWBC listening and DXing, the satellit 800 is a far superior product, really there is no comparison 1) better sound 2) better selectivity in the stock versions 3) FAR better sync detector, even if it is a fixed version ! Your saying the Sat 800 is a better radio then the R-75 for DX'ing ??? "Medication time" Michael |
maybe because it is fact and not troll......
"Jim Hackett" wrote in message ink.net... You can't recognize a TROLL when you see one? "Michael" wrote in message ... "mike maghakian" wrote in message ... For the category of SWBC listening and DXing, the satellit 800 is a far superior product, really there is no comparison 1) better sound 2) better selectivity in the stock versions 3) FAR better sync detector, even if it is a fixed version ! Your saying the Sat 800 is a better radio then the R-75 for DX'ing ??? "Medication time" Michael |
I have no idea why I'm involving myself in this petty bickering. But this
is the ONLY comment I will make: I own BOTH and I disagree BUT I'm NOT gonna argue with ANYONE. Believe what you want. I already stated what I believe... "mike maghakian" wrote in message ... maybe because it is fact and not troll...... "Jim Hackett" wrote in message ink.net... You can't recognize a TROLL when you see one? "Michael" wrote in message ... "mike maghakian" wrote in message ... For the category of SWBC listening and DXing, the satellit 800 is a far superior product, really there is no comparison 1) better sound 2) better selectivity in the stock versions 3) FAR better sync detector, even if it is a fixed version ! Your saying the Sat 800 is a better radio then the R-75 for DX'ing ??? "Medication time" Michael |
Michael wrote:
"craigm" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: "Eric F. Richards" wrote in message ... "Michael" wrote: I find that there isn't anything that I can hear with the R-75 that I can hear with more expensive radios. That's true. Images, birdies, artifacts, intermodulation products -- it's all there. The R-75 is dumpster fodder. Value? yep. Value for money? yep. Absolutely a good value? Not even close. You need to experience a truly good radio. See http://www.sherweng.com for some guidelines. Let me get this straight..... "Dumpster Fodder ???" Your getting carried away.... Recommend a better radio that will have a PRACTICAL improvement over an R-75 without spending over $ 1,000.00 Please dont spit out specs that hardly differ from that of the R-75 and are not statistically significant PRACTICALLY speaking. Tell me what radio NEW out of the box will give me a PRACTICAL improvement on my R-75 for under $1,000.00 and I'll buy it this week. Remember, this is for DX'ing. I dont want a boom box. Michael Can you list the radios that fall in the $500-$1000 price range the might be candidates for comparison? They would have to be generally available within the US. Other then a few computer controlled alternatives, there are no other choices other then the R-75. That's the larger point. Then I think posing the challenge you expressed is a poor way to make a point. There are radios, in my opinion, that I find to be an improvement over the R75. Specifically, the IC-746Pro and g313i. However, they fall outside your dollar range. At any specific price point the number of radios to choose from is limited. The nature of the challenge you put forth guaranteed there would be no way to meet it to your satisfaction. The radios in the list I'm asking for don't have to meet your "PRACTICAL improvement" criteria. What does "statistically significant PRACTICALLY speaking" mean? craigm Meaning exactly as stated. Here is an example: The Drake R-8 was tested to have a sensitivity of 0.25 and 0.18 with the pre amp on. The R-75 was tested to have a sensitivy of 0.5 and .02 with the first level pre amp on The Kenwood R-5000 was tested to have a sensitivity of .02 The NRD-525 was tested to have a sensitivity of .02 OK, what do you say ???? Only one of those is possibly in current production. You can see what receiver gets the better test numbers here. All those that are out of production. You selected the list for comparison, so, from that list I see the R75 had the poorest number. Is that your point? Think it matters PRACTICALLY speaking given what typical noise floors are ??? That's a limitation on the user's antenna and location and not the radio. For some, the difference is significant. Would you feel it was worth it to spend a few thousand dollars to get that extra decimal ??? Well, you've skipped over the $1000 to $2000 range which covers several radios. Also, that extra cost goes into more than just improving one number. That makes your question pointless. This applies equally to other values. Do you understand my point yet ???? Yes, for you the R75 appears to work well. Others have found they prefer other radios for a variety of reasons. If you've found a radio that you like, listen to it. If others find that the radio you like doesn't work well for them live with that fact. Neither person is necessarily right or wrong, they have each found what works for them. Michael Hey, at least the thread is on topic for the group. craigm |
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"Lucky" wrote:
"Eric F. Richards" wrote in message ... "Michael" wrote: I find that there isn't anything that I can hear with the R-75 that I can hear with more expensive radios. That's true. Images, birdies, artifacts, intermodulation products -- it's all there. The R-75 is dumpster fodder. Value? yep. Value for money? yep. Absolutely a good value? Not even close. You need to experience a truly good radio. See http://www.sherweng.com for some guidelines. I personally think you made a fool out of yourself with your drivel and that's about it. Lucky You can believe that all you want. I owned an R75 for years. When I was selling it at a hamfest, Bob Sherwood came by and I offered it to him, and he just laughed. I'll say it again: It *is* value for the money, but it is *not* an absolute value. For me, the issue that is important is front-end overload. There are several flamethrowers that put millivolts worth of signal on my antennas. I don't have problems with close-in dynamic range... no one should really have problems with sensitivity on HF. The R75 was nothing but images below 10 MHz without both preamps off and the attenuator on. -- Eric F. Richards "Nature abhors a vacuum tube." -- Myron Glass, often attributed to J. R. Pierce, Bell Labs, c. 1940 |
"Michael" wrote:
"Eric F. Richards" wrote in message ... "Michael" wrote: I find that there isn't anything that I can hear with the R-75 that I can hear with more expensive radios. That's true. Images, birdies, artifacts, intermodulation products -- it's all there. The R-75 is dumpster fodder. Value? yep. Value for money? yep. Absolutely a good value? Not even close. You need to experience a truly good radio. See http://www.sherweng.com for some guidelines. Let me get this straight..... "Dumpster Fodder ???" Your getting carried away.... Recommend a better radio that will have a PRACTICAL improvement over an R-75 without spending over $ 1,000.00 Please dont spit out specs that hardly differ from that of the R-75 and are not statistically significant PRACTICALLY speaking. Again, I said that it is good value for the money. I know -- I had one for quite a long time. Tell me what radio NEW out of the box will give me a PRACTICAL improvement on my R-75 for under $1,000.00 and I'll buy it this week. Remember, this is for DX'ing. I dont want a boom box. I use the R8500. It has a front-end like a tank. "Specs?" The '8500s close-in dynamic range is abysmal. Yet I've found it to be an amazingly useful radio. The '75 just couldn't pull anything out of all the crap internally generated below 10 MHz here, because my antennas happen to be in the way of the local flame-throwers. Michael -- Eric F. Richards "This book reads like a headache on paper." http://www.cnn.com/2001/CAREER/readi...one/index.html |
craigm wrote:
Michael wrote: "Eric F. Richards" wrote in message ... "Michael" wrote: I find that there isn't anything that I can hear with the R-75 that I can hear with more expensive radios. That's true. Images, birdies, artifacts, intermodulation products -- it's all there. The R-75 is dumpster fodder. Value? yep. Value for money? yep. Absolutely a good value? Not even close. You need to experience a truly good radio. See http://www.sherweng.com for some guidelines. Let me get this straight..... "Dumpster Fodder ???" Your getting carried away.... Recommend a better radio that will have a PRACTICAL improvement over an R-75 without spending over $ 1,000.00 Please dont spit out specs that hardly differ from that of the R-75 and are not statistically significant PRACTICALLY speaking. Tell me what radio NEW out of the box will give me a PRACTICAL improvement on my R-75 for under $1,000.00 and I'll buy it this week. Remember, this is for DX'ing. I dont want a boom box. Michael Can you list the radios that fall in the $500-$1000 price range the might be candidates for comparison? They would have to be generally available within the US. The radios in the list I'm asking for don't have to meet your "PRACTICAL improvement" criteria. What does "statistically significant PRACTICALLY speaking" mean? craigm Hmmm. Statistically significant here means nothing. "Significant?" Well, he doesn't know, but I'll take a shot at it... Sensitivity is overrated. Dynamic range is important. Ultimate rejection is underrated, unfortunately, and is the most important figure for my situation. It is also where the R75 falls short. Right now, there aren't any radios to discuss because the tabletop market has been swept clean. -- Eric F. Richards "The most likely way for the world to be destroyed, most experts agree, is by accident. That's where we come in; we're computer professionals. We cause accidents." - Nathaniel S. Borenstein |
"Michael" wrote:
"mike maghakian" wrote in message ... For the category of SWBC listening and DXing, the satellit 800 is a far superior product, really there is no comparison 1) better sound 2) better selectivity in the stock versions 3) FAR better sync detector, even if it is a fixed version ! Your saying the Sat 800 is a better radio then the R-75 for DX'ing ??? "Medication time" Michael No crazier than saying the R75 is the ultimate radio without having exercised some other options. Had Drake been manufacturing the Sat 800, er, SW-8, still, it would be a respectible radio, still. -- Eric F. Richards "Failure is not an option. It comes bundled with your Microsoft product." -Ferenc Mantfeld |
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