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"dxAce" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: "D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... Lucky wrote: "Eric F. Richards" wrote in message ... "Lucky" wrote: "Eric F. Richards" wrote in message m... "Michael" wrote: I find that there isn't anything that I can hear with the R-75 that I can hear with more expensive radios. That's true. Images, birdies, artifacts, intermodulation products -- it's all there. The R-75 is dumpster fodder. Value? yep. Value for money? yep. Absolutely a good value? Not even close. You need to experience a truly good radio. See http://www.sherweng.com for some guidelines. I personally think you made a fool out of yourself with your drivel and that's about it. Lucky You can believe that all you want. I owned an R75 for years. When I was selling it at a hamfest, Bob Sherwood came by and I offered it to him, and he just laughed. I'll say it again: It *is* value for the money, but it is *not* an absolute value. For me, the issue that is important is front-end overload. There are several flamethrowers that put millivolts worth of signal on my antennas. I don't have problems with close-in dynamic range... no one should really have problems with sensitivity on HF. The R75 was nothing but images below 10 MHz without both preamps off and the attenuator on. -- Eric F. Richards "Nature abhors a vacuum tube." -- Myron Glass, often attributed to J. R. Pierce, Bell Labs, c. 1940 Hi I have about 10 radios. For $425, the R75 is my best rig. I have no problem with images here in Miami. There are many Hams down here and lots of the time the bands are terrible. But, with my R75, I can clean the signal up very well and enjoy the conversations. I can't do this with my other rigs. Here they. They are not all very good but I started out as a novice. 1] Kenwood 5000 2] Lowe HF-150 3] JVC NRD 525 4] Yaesu FRG-7 5] TenTec 320-D for DRM 6] Yaesu FRG-7700 7] Nasa Target HF3 8] Kenwood QR-666 {really the R300} 9] Degen 1103 10] Icom R75 I would say the next best rig is the HF-150 then the 5000 and 525 are about equal with the 525 giving you a few more options. If I mean business I use the R75. All I know is that I bought a brand NEW radio with **DSP and **dual PBT plus easy computer control for $425. Just being able to mix and match filters is superb. The built in 2 level pre-amp works great. How in the freaken world can you argue this point? How? Point me to a decent receiver for $425. Please, show me so I can buy it. Not to state the obvious, but he did concede that, for the money, R-75 is a value. What he's saying, what I've said, and what has been repeated here over the last few years, is that R-75 is not an absolute value. For $425, yes, it's a good deal. But as an absolute value, it's like most ICOM's (of which I've owned several and loved every one of them): It's potential is not realized until it's been modified. No one is saying that it's a bad radio. No one is saying that it's not worth having, and that it's not a strong player, and to reiterate for those in Rio Linda, FOR THE MONEY, it's a good value. It's just not all it can be. As much as I loved my R-71, I was very much looking forward to R-75's release. And was ready to close a deal with Universal as soon as it was available. But after playing with one for the better part of a day, I was less than impressed. And went in another direction. A direction I've been very pleased with. In fact, I've not bought a new radio since. I liken ICOM's to cars at the drag strip. Do you know why there are so many Fords and Chevy's are used as racing platforms? Ånd you don't see so many Lincoln's and Cadillacs? Not because the Fords and Chevy's are superior, but because they're a good buy for the money. For an economical outlay, you can buy a platform, that when modified to taste becomes precisely the car you want. Exactly built and tuned to the application you've chosen for it. A Lincoln would be a better platform. Sturdier, more finely tuned suspension. But with fewer mods available, and at dramatically higher cost. I"ve seen Lincoln's at the race track. And I watched one mop up a Taurus in the quarter mile, but at 20 times the outlay for a dragstrip car. ICOMs are solidly built, and decent performers. Like entry level domestic cars, their design has great potential for performance. But production cost shortcuts and economies produce a product that could be far more than it is. Requiring modification to extract the performance built into the design. When you're finished, add up price of the radio, the cost of the mods, shipping, old battery and recappable tires, and you've got a radio that's actually more expensive than it would have been had they not cut the production corners in the first place. But then, at least, the absolute value of the radio would be established. There's nothing wrong with you loving your R-75. And as Eric has said more than once, it IS a good value for the money. It's just that as it comes out of the box, it's potential is not realized. And for many users, that's a deterrent to ownership. Not only is the R-75 a good value for dollar, it is a good absolute value as well. Price aside, it is a good radio period. It is well built, sensitive, selective, has a good user interface, is adequate for program listening, can be very good for program listening with simple mods, and it is outstanding for utility and DX'ing. For me, it doesn't make the sense god gave a mule to malign the R-75 because after market mods can improve the performance of the audio definition and the function of the sync detector should you decide to do so. The R-5000 is a great radio and it doesn't even have a sync detector. The NRD 545 is a good radio and to my ear, even through an external speaker the audio is hollow and tinny for any radio, let alone one with a price tag that is so high. I have used the R-75, R-5000, R8, R8b and have some time on an NRD-545. Going by actual usage, I can honestly say that NONE of those radios are "WONDER RADIOS" in comparison with the others. The all have their strengths, but none of them will work miracles in comparison to other ones. They are all capable radios. Of all of those radios, the one that I'd prefer to have for DX'ing and or utility would be the R-75. For program listening, I'd take the R8b. The audio quality itself is not all that much better then my Kiwa modified R-75, but the ssb selectable AM sync on the R8b can be a marvel for cutting out not just fade distortion but cutting out QRM completely from a signal above or below. I can also do the same thing with QRM using my Sony 7600gr too !!!! So.... Those are facts. The R-75 is a good performer in some categories and an OUTSTANDING performer in most others. How can you say it is not an absolute value ??? In reading posts from people that COMPULSIVELY malign the R-75 and obsess over the perceived AM sync deficiency ad nausium, it seems like it is the self justification of a person who spent way more money then the R-75 costs on their rig. Or is it self justification on your part because you either don't have or don't want to spend the money for a better rig? No... Not true at all. I'd spend more money on a better rig. I was going to buy an NRD-545 not too long ago. I tried one out on loan from a friend. Although I loved the way it looked and I loved the way the controls were set up, I thought the weak audio was a serious distraction. Still... That is not why I didn't get one. I was primarily looking for a better DX'ing radio. I'd deal with lesser audio if the DX'ing abilities were better then my R-75. I came to the realization after testing out the NRD-545 that noting could help me DX' any better due to the high noise floor here in north NJ. I dont need a new rig, I need to move to another area. I always did want to see the American southwest. May be Arizona :-) Yes, it's an OK radio, but come on... OK.. I know you like your R8 series, but do you really think the R8 series is better then the R-75 for DX'ing. ??? Absolutely. If they weren't I'd have been one of the first to get R75 The R8 series is only WAY better then the R-75 for one thing and one thing only. And not... not program listening. With my Kiwa mods and external speaker, it does well for program listening. Although not too many people mention it when comparing the R8 with the R-75 because everyone is pointing out the synch thing, the R-75 SUCKS ON ICE for medium wave DX'ing. It's way too noisy. I loved using all of the R8 series for MW, especially the R8b. I thought the R8b's AM synch was the cats ass. Regardless, you cant tell me the R8 or R8a or R8b is better at SW DX'ing then the R-75. I believe I already did. Several times! Tell me again and tell me why. Haven't I wasted enough time on you already? You really need to learn how to pay attention. Start off by gazing at that front panel and try to commit to memory the fact that you're using a R75 vs. an R-75. Oh... the front panel. I see it... Your wrong again... It reads "IC-R75". I wasn't wrong at all, 'tard boy... PLEASE try to pay attention. It DOES NOT say R-75 does it, 'tard boy? It doesn't read R75, nimrod. If you insist on mocking people for a petty oversight, I suggest that you should take more care not to make any oversights yourself as you have just done. It reads IC-R75. Now be reasonable and stop casting stones from your glass house. Simply put to your stone casting frustration... The IC-R75 is a better radio for DX'ing and SSB/utility then the R8 series. Yield to the facts. I promise you'll feel better once you do so. Michael |
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Michael wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: "D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... Lucky wrote: "Eric F. Richards" wrote in message ... "Lucky" wrote: "Eric F. Richards" wrote in message m... "Michael" wrote: I find that there isn't anything that I can hear with the R-75 that I can hear with more expensive radios. That's true. Images, birdies, artifacts, intermodulation products -- it's all there. The R-75 is dumpster fodder. Value? yep. Value for money? yep. Absolutely a good value? Not even close. You need to experience a truly good radio. See http://www.sherweng.com for some guidelines. I personally think you made a fool out of yourself with your drivel and that's about it. Lucky You can believe that all you want. I owned an R75 for years. When I was selling it at a hamfest, Bob Sherwood came by and I offered it to him, and he just laughed. I'll say it again: It *is* value for the money, but it is *not* an absolute value. For me, the issue that is important is front-end overload. There are several flamethrowers that put millivolts worth of signal on my antennas. I don't have problems with close-in dynamic range... no one should really have problems with sensitivity on HF. The R75 was nothing but images below 10 MHz without both preamps off and the attenuator on. -- Eric F. Richards "Nature abhors a vacuum tube." -- Myron Glass, often attributed to J. R. Pierce, Bell Labs, c. 1940 Hi I have about 10 radios. For $425, the R75 is my best rig. I have no problem with images here in Miami. There are many Hams down here and lots of the time the bands are terrible. But, with my R75, I can clean the signal up very well and enjoy the conversations. I can't do this with my other rigs. Here they. They are not all very good but I started out as a novice. 1] Kenwood 5000 2] Lowe HF-150 3] JVC NRD 525 4] Yaesu FRG-7 5] TenTec 320-D for DRM 6] Yaesu FRG-7700 7] Nasa Target HF3 8] Kenwood QR-666 {really the R300} 9] Degen 1103 10] Icom R75 I would say the next best rig is the HF-150 then the 5000 and 525 are about equal with the 525 giving you a few more options. If I mean business I use the R75. All I know is that I bought a brand NEW radio with **DSP and **dual PBT plus easy computer control for $425. Just being able to mix and match filters is superb. The built in 2 level pre-amp works great. How in the freaken world can you argue this point? How? Point me to a decent receiver for $425. Please, show me so I can buy it. Not to state the obvious, but he did concede that, for the money, R-75 is a value. What he's saying, what I've said, and what has been repeated here over the last few years, is that R-75 is not an absolute value. For $425, yes, it's a good deal. But as an absolute value, it's like most ICOM's (of which I've owned several and loved every one of them): It's potential is not realized until it's been modified. No one is saying that it's a bad radio. No one is saying that it's not worth having, and that it's not a strong player, and to reiterate for those in Rio Linda, FOR THE MONEY, it's a good value. It's just not all it can be. As much as I loved my R-71, I was very much looking forward to R-75's release. And was ready to close a deal with Universal as soon as it was available. But after playing with one for the better part of a day, I was less than impressed. And went in another direction. A direction I've been very pleased with. In fact, I've not bought a new radio since. I liken ICOM's to cars at the drag strip. Do you know why there are so many Fords and Chevy's are used as racing platforms? Ånd you don't see so many Lincoln's and Cadillacs? Not because the Fords and Chevy's are superior, but because they're a good buy for the money. For an economical outlay, you can buy a platform, that when modified to taste becomes precisely the car you want. Exactly built and tuned to the application you've chosen for it. A Lincoln would be a better platform. Sturdier, more finely tuned suspension. But with fewer mods available, and at dramatically higher cost. I"ve seen Lincoln's at the race track. And I watched one mop up a Taurus in the quarter mile, but at 20 times the outlay for a dragstrip car. ICOMs are solidly built, and decent performers. Like entry level domestic cars, their design has great potential for performance. But production cost shortcuts and economies produce a product that could be far more than it is. Requiring modification to extract the performance built into the design. When you're finished, add up price of the radio, the cost of the mods, shipping, old battery and recappable tires, and you've got a radio that's actually more expensive than it would have been had they not cut the production corners in the first place. But then, at least, the absolute value of the radio would be established. There's nothing wrong with you loving your R-75. And as Eric has said more than once, it IS a good value for the money. It's just that as it comes out of the box, it's potential is not realized. And for many users, that's a deterrent to ownership. Not only is the R-75 a good value for dollar, it is a good absolute value as well. Price aside, it is a good radio period. It is well built, sensitive, selective, has a good user interface, is adequate for program listening, can be very good for program listening with simple mods, and it is outstanding for utility and DX'ing. For me, it doesn't make the sense god gave a mule to malign the R-75 because after market mods can improve the performance of the audio definition and the function of the sync detector should you decide to do so. The R-5000 is a great radio and it doesn't even have a sync detector. The NRD 545 is a good radio and to my ear, even through an external speaker the audio is hollow and tinny for any radio, let alone one with a price tag that is so high. I have used the R-75, R-5000, R8, R8b and have some time on an NRD-545. Going by actual usage, I can honestly say that NONE of those radios are "WONDER RADIOS" in comparison with the others. The all have their strengths, but none of them will work miracles in comparison to other ones. They are all capable radios. Of all of those radios, the one that I'd prefer to have for DX'ing and or utility would be the R-75. For program listening, I'd take the R8b. The audio quality itself is not all that much better then my Kiwa modified R-75, but the ssb selectable AM sync on the R8b can be a marvel for cutting out not just fade distortion but cutting out QRM completely from a signal above or below. I can also do the same thing with QRM using my Sony 7600gr too !!!! So.... Those are facts. The R-75 is a good performer in some categories and an OUTSTANDING performer in most others. How can you say it is not an absolute value ??? In reading posts from people that COMPULSIVELY malign the R-75 and obsess over the perceived AM sync deficiency ad nausium, it seems like it is the self justification of a person who spent way more money then the R-75 costs on their rig. Or is it self justification on your part because you either don't have or don't want to spend the money for a better rig? No... Not true at all. I'd spend more money on a better rig. I was going to buy an NRD-545 not too long ago. I tried one out on loan from a friend. Although I loved the way it looked and I loved the way the controls were set up, I thought the weak audio was a serious distraction. Still... That is not why I didn't get one. I was primarily looking for a better DX'ing radio. I'd deal with lesser audio if the DX'ing abilities were better then my R-75. I came to the realization after testing out the NRD-545 that noting could help me DX' any better due to the high noise floor here in north NJ. I dont need a new rig, I need to move to another area. I always did want to see the American southwest. May be Arizona :-) Yes, it's an OK radio, but come on... OK.. I know you like your R8 series, but do you really think the R8 series is better then the R-75 for DX'ing. ??? Absolutely. If they weren't I'd have been one of the first to get R75 The R8 series is only WAY better then the R-75 for one thing and one thing only. And not... not program listening. With my Kiwa mods and external speaker, it does well for program listening. Although not too many people mention it when comparing the R8 with the R-75 because everyone is pointing out the synch thing, the R-75 SUCKS ON ICE for medium wave DX'ing. It's way too noisy. I loved using all of the R8 series for MW, especially the R8b. I thought the R8b's AM synch was the cats ass. Regardless, you cant tell me the R8 or R8a or R8b is better at SW DX'ing then the R-75. I believe I already did. Several times! Tell me again and tell me why. Haven't I wasted enough time on you already? You really need to learn how to pay attention. Start off by gazing at that front panel and try to commit to memory the fact that you're using a R75 vs. an R-75. Oh... the front panel. I see it... Your wrong again... It reads "IC-R75". I wasn't wrong at all, 'tard boy... PLEASE try to pay attention. It DOES NOT say R-75 does it, 'tard boy? It doesn't read R75, nimrod. Sure it does 'tard boy... look at it again! It sure as hell doesn't say 'R-75' now does it? If you insist on mocking people for a petty oversight, I suggest that you should take more care not to make any oversights yourself as you have just done. It reads IC-R75. Now be reasonable and stop casting stones from your glass house. Like I said, your skull sure is thick! Simply put to your stone casting frustration... The IC-R75 is a better radio for DX'ing and SSB/utility then the R8 series. Your fantasy, not mine! Yield to the facts. I promise you'll feel better once you do so. I faced up to the facts many, many, years ago, 'tard boy. That's why I don't use ICOM radios! Get a frickin' clue, and try not to cry yourself to sleep tonight. LMAO dxAce Michigan USA "I swear by, not at, Drake receivers" © http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
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"Michael" wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: "D Peter Maus" wrote in message .. . Lucky wrote: "Eric F. Richards" wrote in message ... "Lucky" wrote: "Eric F. Richards" wrote in message m... "Michael" wrote: I find that there isn't anything that I can hear with the R-75 that I can hear with more expensive radios. That's true. Images, birdies, artifacts, intermodulation products -- it's all there. The R-75 is dumpster fodder. Value? yep. Value for money? yep. Absolutely a good value? Not even close. You need to experience a truly good radio. See http://www.sherweng.com for some guidelines. I personally think you made a fool out of yourself with your drivel and that's about it. Lucky You can believe that all you want. I owned an R75 for years. When I was selling it at a hamfest, Bob Sherwood came by and I offered it to him, and he just laughed. I'll say it again: It *is* value for the money, but it is *not* an absolute value. For me, the issue that is important is front-end overload. There are several flamethrowers that put millivolts worth of signal on my antennas. I don't have problems with close-in dynamic range... no one should really have problems with sensitivity on HF. The R75 was nothing but images below 10 MHz without both preamps off and the attenuator on. -- Eric F. Richards "Nature abhors a vacuum tube." -- Myron Glass, often attributed to J. R. Pierce, Bell Labs, c. 1940 Hi I have about 10 radios. For $425, the R75 is my best rig. I have no problem with images here in Miami. There are many Hams down here and lots of the time the bands are terrible. But, with my R75, I can clean the signal up very well and enjoy the conversations. I can't do this with my other rigs. Here they. They are not all very good but I started out as a novice. 1] Kenwood 5000 2] Lowe HF-150 3] JVC NRD 525 4] Yaesu FRG-7 5] TenTec 320-D for DRM 6] Yaesu FRG-7700 7] Nasa Target HF3 8] Kenwood QR-666 {really the R300} 9] Degen 1103 10] Icom R75 I would say the next best rig is the HF-150 then the 5000 and 525 are about equal with the 525 giving you a few more options. If I mean business I use the R75. All I know is that I bought a brand NEW radio with **DSP and **dual PBT plus easy computer control for $425. Just being able to mix and match filters is superb. The built in 2 level pre-amp works great. How in the freaken world can you argue this point? How? Point me to a decent receiver for $425. Please, show me so I can buy it. Not to state the obvious, but he did concede that, for the money, R-75 is a value. What he's saying, what I've said, and what has been repeated here over the last few years, is that R-75 is not an absolute value. For $425, yes, it's a good deal. But as an absolute value, it's like most ICOM's (of which I've owned several and loved every one of them): It's potential is not realized until it's been modified. No one is saying that it's a bad radio. No one is saying that it's not worth having, and that it's not a strong player, and to reiterate for those in Rio Linda, FOR THE MONEY, it's a good value. It's just not all it can be. As much as I loved my R-71, I was very much looking forward to R-75's release. And was ready to close a deal with Universal as soon as it was available. But after playing with one for the better part of a day, I was less than impressed. And went in another direction. A direction I've been very pleased with. In fact, I've not bought a new radio since. I liken ICOM's to cars at the drag strip. Do you know why there are so many Fords and Chevy's are used as racing platforms? Ånd you don't see so many Lincoln's and Cadillacs? Not because the Fords and Chevy's are superior, but because they're a good buy for the money. For an economical outlay, you can buy a platform, that when modified to taste becomes precisely the car you want. Exactly built and tuned to the application you've chosen for it. A Lincoln would be a better platform. Sturdier, more finely tuned suspension. But with fewer mods available, and at dramatically higher cost. I"ve seen Lincoln's at the race track. And I watched one mop up a Taurus in the quarter mile, but at 20 times the outlay for a dragstrip car. ICOMs are solidly built, and decent performers. Like entry level domestic cars, their design has great potential for performance. But production cost shortcuts and economies produce a product that could be far more than it is. Requiring modification to extract the performance built into the design. When you're finished, add up price of the radio, the cost of the mods, shipping, old battery and recappable tires, and you've got a radio that's actually more expensive than it would have been had they not cut the production corners in the first place. But then, at least, the absolute value of the radio would be established. There's nothing wrong with you loving your R-75. And as Eric has said more than once, it IS a good value for the money. It's just that as it comes out of the box, it's potential is not realized. And for many users, that's a deterrent to ownership. Not only is the R-75 a good value for dollar, it is a good absolute value as well. Price aside, it is a good radio period. It is well built, sensitive, selective, has a good user interface, is adequate for program listening, can be very good for program listening with simple mods, and it is outstanding for utility and DX'ing. For me, it doesn't make the sense god gave a mule to malign the R-75 because after market mods can improve the performance of the audio definition and the function of the sync detector should you decide to do so. The R-5000 is a great radio and it doesn't even have a sync detector. The NRD 545 is a good radio and to my ear, even through an external speaker the audio is hollow and tinny for any radio, let alone one with a price tag that is so high. I have used the R-75, R-5000, R8, R8b and have some time on an NRD-545. Going by actual usage, I can honestly say that NONE of those radios are "WONDER RADIOS" in comparison with the others. The all have their strengths, but none of them will work miracles in comparison to other ones. They are all capable radios. Of all of those radios, the one that I'd prefer to have for DX'ing and or utility would be the R-75. For program listening, I'd take the R8b. The audio quality itself is not all that much better then my Kiwa modified R-75, but the ssb selectable AM sync on the R8b can be a marvel for cutting out not just fade distortion but cutting out QRM completely from a signal above or below. I can also do the same thing with QRM using my Sony 7600gr too !!!! So.... Those are facts. The R-75 is a good performer in some categories and an OUTSTANDING performer in most others. How can you say it is not an absolute value ??? In reading posts from people that COMPULSIVELY malign the R-75 and obsess over the perceived AM sync deficiency ad nausium, it seems like it is the self justification of a person who spent way more money then the R-75 costs on their rig. Or is it self justification on your part because you either don't have or don't want to spend the money for a better rig? No... Not true at all. I'd spend more money on a better rig. I was going to buy an NRD-545 not too long ago. I tried one out on loan from a friend. Although I loved the way it looked and I loved the way the controls were set up, I thought the weak audio was a serious distraction. Still... That is not why I didn't get one. I was primarily looking for a better DX'ing radio. I'd deal with lesser audio if the DX'ing abilities were better then my R-75. I came to the realization after testing out the NRD-545 that noting could help me DX' any better due to the high noise floor here in north NJ. I dont need a new rig, I need to move to another area. I always did want to see the American southwest. May be Arizona :-) Yes, it's an OK radio, but come on... OK.. I know you like your R8 series, but do you really think the R8 series is better then the R-75 for DX'ing. ??? Absolutely. If they weren't I'd have been one of the first to get R75 The R8 series is only WAY better then the R-75 for one thing and one thing only. And not... not program listening. With my Kiwa mods and external speaker, it does well for program listening. Although not too many people mention it when comparing the R8 with the R-75 because everyone is pointing out the synch thing, the R-75 SUCKS ON ICE for medium wave DX'ing. It's way too noisy. I loved using all of the R8 series for MW, especially the R8b. I thought the R8b's AM synch was the cats ass. Regardless, you cant tell me the R8 or R8a or R8b is better at SW DX'ing then the R-75. I believe I already did. Several times! Tell me again and tell me why. Haven't I wasted enough time on you already? You really need to learn how to pay attention. Start off by gazing at that front panel and try to commit to memory the fact that you're using a R75 vs. an R-75. Oh... the front panel. I see it... Your wrong again... It reads "IC-R75". I wasn't wrong at all, 'tard boy... PLEASE try to pay attention. It DOES NOT say R-75 does it, 'tard boy? It doesn't read R75, nimrod. If you insist on mocking people for a petty oversight, I suggest that you should take more care not to make any oversights yourself as you have just done. It reads IC-R75. Now be reasonable and stop casting stones from your glass house. Simply put to your stone casting frustration... The IC-R75 is a better radio for DX'ing and SSB/utility then the R8 series. Yield to the facts. I promise you'll feel better once you do so. Your facts have no basis in reality. Feel better? -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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"dxAce" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: "D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... Lucky wrote: "Eric F. Richards" wrote in message ... "Lucky" wrote: "Eric F. Richards" wrote in message m... "Michael" wrote: I find that there isn't anything that I can hear with the R-75 that I can hear with more expensive radios. That's true. Images, birdies, artifacts, intermodulation products -- it's all there. The R-75 is dumpster fodder. Value? yep. Value for money? yep. Absolutely a good value? Not even close. You need to experience a truly good radio. See http://www.sherweng.com for some guidelines. I personally think you made a fool out of yourself with your drivel and that's about it. Lucky You can believe that all you want. I owned an R75 for years. When I was selling it at a hamfest, Bob Sherwood came by and I offered it to him, and he just laughed. I'll say it again: It *is* value for the money, but it is *not* an absolute value. For me, the issue that is important is front-end overload. There are several flamethrowers that put millivolts worth of signal on my antennas. I don't have problems with close-in dynamic range... no one should really have problems with sensitivity on HF. The R75 was nothing but images below 10 MHz without both preamps off and the attenuator on. -- Eric F. Richards "Nature abhors a vacuum tube." -- Myron Glass, often attributed to J. R. Pierce, Bell Labs, c. 1940 Hi I have about 10 radios. For $425, the R75 is my best rig. I have no problem with images here in Miami. There are many Hams down here and lots of the time the bands are terrible. But, with my R75, I can clean the signal up very well and enjoy the conversations. I can't do this with my other rigs. Here they. They are not all very good but I started out as a novice. 1] Kenwood 5000 2] Lowe HF-150 3] JVC NRD 525 4] Yaesu FRG-7 5] TenTec 320-D for DRM 6] Yaesu FRG-7700 7] Nasa Target HF3 8] Kenwood QR-666 {really the R300} 9] Degen 1103 10] Icom R75 I would say the next best rig is the HF-150 then the 5000 and 525 are about equal with the 525 giving you a few more options. If I mean business I use the R75. All I know is that I bought a brand NEW radio with **DSP and **dual PBT plus easy computer control for $425. Just being able to mix and match filters is superb. The built in 2 level pre-amp works great. How in the freaken world can you argue this point? How? Point me to a decent receiver for $425. Please, show me so I can buy it. Not to state the obvious, but he did concede that, for the money, R-75 is a value. What he's saying, what I've said, and what has been repeated here over the last few years, is that R-75 is not an absolute value. For $425, yes, it's a good deal. But as an absolute value, it's like most ICOM's (of which I've owned several and loved every one of them): It's potential is not realized until it's been modified. No one is saying that it's a bad radio. No one is saying that it's not worth having, and that it's not a strong player, and to reiterate for those in Rio Linda, FOR THE MONEY, it's a good value. It's just not all it can be. As much as I loved my R-71, I was very much looking forward to R-75's release. And was ready to close a deal with Universal as soon as it was available. But after playing with one for the better part of a day, I was less than impressed. And went in another direction. A direction I've been very pleased with. In fact, I've not bought a new radio since. I liken ICOM's to cars at the drag strip. Do you know why there are so many Fords and Chevy's are used as racing platforms? Ånd you don't see so many Lincoln's and Cadillacs? Not because the Fords and Chevy's are superior, but because they're a good buy for the money. For an economical outlay, you can buy a platform, that when modified to taste becomes precisely the car you want. Exactly built and tuned to the application you've chosen for it. A Lincoln would be a better platform. Sturdier, more finely tuned suspension. But with fewer mods available, and at dramatically higher cost. I"ve seen Lincoln's at the race track. And I watched one mop up a Taurus in the quarter mile, but at 20 times the outlay for a dragstrip car. ICOMs are solidly built, and decent performers. Like entry level domestic cars, their design has great potential for performance. But production cost shortcuts and economies produce a product that could be far more than it is. Requiring modification to extract the performance built into the design. When you're finished, add up price of the radio, the cost of the mods, shipping, old battery and recappable tires, and you've got a radio that's actually more expensive than it would have been had they not cut the production corners in the first place. But then, at least, the absolute value of the radio would be established. There's nothing wrong with you loving your R-75. And as Eric has said more than once, it IS a good value for the money. It's just that as it comes out of the box, it's potential is not realized. And for many users, that's a deterrent to ownership. Not only is the R-75 a good value for dollar, it is a good absolute value as well. Price aside, it is a good radio period. It is well built, sensitive, selective, has a good user interface, is adequate for program listening, can be very good for program listening with simple mods, and it is outstanding for utility and DX'ing. For me, it doesn't make the sense god gave a mule to malign the R-75 because after market mods can improve the performance of the audio definition and the function of the sync detector should you decide to do so. The R-5000 is a great radio and it doesn't even have a sync detector. The NRD 545 is a good radio and to my ear, even through an external speaker the audio is hollow and tinny for any radio, let alone one with a price tag that is so high. I have used the R-75, R-5000, R8, R8b and have some time on an NRD-545. Going by actual usage, I can honestly say that NONE of those radios are "WONDER RADIOS" in comparison with the others. The all have their strengths, but none of them will work miracles in comparison to other ones. They are all capable radios. Of all of those radios, the one that I'd prefer to have for DX'ing and or utility would be the R-75. For program listening, I'd take the R8b. The audio quality itself is not all that much better then my Kiwa modified R-75, but the ssb selectable AM sync on the R8b can be a marvel for cutting out not just fade distortion but cutting out QRM completely from a signal above or below. I can also do the same thing with QRM using my Sony 7600gr too !!!! So.... Those are facts. The R-75 is a good performer in some categories and an OUTSTANDING performer in most others. How can you say it is not an absolute value ??? In reading posts from people that COMPULSIVELY malign the R-75 and obsess over the perceived AM sync deficiency ad nausium, it seems like it is the self justification of a person who spent way more money then the R-75 costs on their rig. Or is it self justification on your part because you either don't have or don't want to spend the money for a better rig? No... Not true at all. I'd spend more money on a better rig. I was going to buy an NRD-545 not too long ago. I tried one out on loan from a friend. Although I loved the way it looked and I loved the way the controls were set up, I thought the weak audio was a serious distraction. Still... That is not why I didn't get one. I was primarily looking for a better DX'ing radio. I'd deal with lesser audio if the DX'ing abilities were better then my R-75. I came to the realization after testing out the NRD-545 that noting could help me DX' any better due to the high noise floor here in north NJ. I dont need a new rig, I need to move to another area. I always did want to see the American southwest. May be Arizona :-) Yes, it's an OK radio, but come on... OK.. I know you like your R8 series, but do you really think the R8 series is better then the R-75 for DX'ing. ??? Absolutely. If they weren't I'd have been one of the first to get R75 The R8 series is only WAY better then the R-75 for one thing and one thing only. And not... not program listening. With my Kiwa mods and external speaker, it does well for program listening. Although not too many people mention it when comparing the R8 with the R-75 because everyone is pointing out the synch thing, the R-75 SUCKS ON ICE for medium wave DX'ing. It's way too noisy. I loved using all of the R8 series for MW, especially the R8b. I thought the R8b's AM synch was the cats ass. Regardless, you cant tell me the R8 or R8a or R8b is better at SW DX'ing then the R-75. I believe I already did. Several times! Tell me again and tell me why. Haven't I wasted enough time on you already? You really need to learn how to pay attention. Start off by gazing at that front panel and try to commit to memory the fact that you're using a R75 vs. an R-75. Oh... the front panel. I see it... Your wrong again... It reads "IC-R75". I wasn't wrong at all, 'tard boy... PLEASE try to pay attention. It DOES NOT say R-75 does it, 'tard boy? It doesn't read R75, nimrod. Sure it does 'tard boy... look at it again! It sure as hell doesn't say 'R-75' now does it? If you insist on mocking people for a petty oversight, I suggest that you should take more care not to make any oversights yourself as you have just done. It reads IC-R75. Now be reasonable and stop casting stones from your glass house. Like I said, your skull sure is thick! Simply put to your stone casting frustration... The IC-R75 is a better radio for DX'ing and SSB/utility then the R8 series. Your fantasy, not mine! Yield to the facts. I promise you'll feel better once you do so. I faced up to the facts many, many, years ago, 'tard boy. That's why I don't use ICOM radios! Get a frickin' clue, and try not to cry yourself to sleep tonight. Clearly, your prone to antagonistic gestures when your compulsion drives you agaisnt facts. Your commentary is a Freudian delight. It's crawling with clues. I strongly recommend you relax your compulsion and spend a few hours with the R8 and the IC-R75. Do a few side by side comparisons for DX'ing and utility. I promise that self discovery will be far more fullfilling over denial. Michael LMAO dxAce Michigan USA "I swear by, not at, Drake receivers" © http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
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Other then a few computer controlled alternatives, there are no other choices other then the R-75. That's the larger point. The radios in the list I'm asking for don't have to meet your "PRACTICAL improvement" criteria. What does "statistically significant PRACTICALLY speaking" mean? craigm Meaning exactly as stated. Here is an example: The Drake R-8 was tested to have a sensitivity of 0.25 and 0.18 with the pre amp on. The R-75 was tested to have a sensitivy of 0.5 and .02 with the first level pre amp on The Kenwood R-5000 was tested to have a sensitivity of .02 The NRD-525 was tested to have a sensitivity of .02 OK, what do you say ???? You can see what receiver gets the better test numbers here. Think it matters PRACTICALLY speaking given what typical noise floors are ??? Would you feel it was worth it to spend a few thousand dollars to get that extra decimal ??? This applies equally to other values. Do you understand my point yet ???? Michael Hold it Mike. Didn't you say that you are in a noisy area? Sensitivity (then) becomes the least important papameter you should consider (it's actually not a very important parameter for most of us since we are usually limited by atmospheric noise that is much greater than the receiver noise floor). Worry more about ultimate selectivity, dymanic range, etc. Also I think you have your decimal points badly screwed up above. (.02 should be 0.2) -- Brian Denley http://home.comcast.net/~b.denley/index.html |
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"Brian Denley" wrote: Michael wrote: Other then a few computer controlled alternatives, there are no other choices other then the R-75. That's the larger point. The radios in the list I'm asking for don't have to meet your "PRACTICAL improvement" criteria. What does "statistically significant PRACTICALLY speaking" mean? craigm Meaning exactly as stated. Here is an example: The Drake R-8 was tested to have a sensitivity of 0.25 and 0.18 with the pre amp on. The R-75 was tested to have a sensitivy of 0.5 and .02 with the first level pre amp on The Kenwood R-5000 was tested to have a sensitivity of .02 The NRD-525 was tested to have a sensitivity of .02 OK, what do you say ???? You can see what receiver gets the better test numbers here. Think it matters PRACTICALLY speaking given what typical noise floors are ??? Would you feel it was worth it to spend a few thousand dollars to get that extra decimal ??? This applies equally to other values. Do you understand my point yet ???? Michael Hold it Mike. Didn't you say that you are in a noisy area? Sensitivity (then) becomes the least important papameter you should consider (it's actually not a very important parameter for most of us since we are usually limited by atmospheric noise that is much greater than the receiver noise floor). Worry more about ultimate selectivity, dymanic range, etc. Also I think you have your decimal points badly screwed up above. (.02 should be 0.2) Don't confuse him with facts as he is on a good rant besides this is a your radio sucks thread now. -- Telamon Ventura, California |
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dxAce wrote:
Michael wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: "dxAce" wrote in message ... Michael wrote: "D Peter Maus" wrote in message ... Lucky wrote: "Eric F. Richards" wrote in message ... "Lucky" wrote: "Eric F. Richards" wrote in message m... "Michael" wrote: I find that there isn't anything that I can hear with the R-75 that I can hear with more expensive radios. That's true. Images, birdies, artifacts, intermodulation products -- it's all there. The R-75 is dumpster fodder. Value? yep. Value for money? yep. Absolutely a good value? Not even close. You need to experience a truly good radio. See http://www.sherweng.com for some guidelines. I personally think you made a fool out of yourself with your drivel and that's about it. Lucky You can believe that all you want. I owned an R75 for years. When I was selling it at a hamfest, Bob Sherwood came by and I offered it to him, and he just laughed. I'll say it again: It *is* value for the money, but it is *not* an absolute value. For me, the issue that is important is front-end overload. There are several flamethrowers that put millivolts worth of signal on my antennas. I don't have problems with close-in dynamic range... no one should really have problems with sensitivity on HF. The R75 was nothing but images below 10 MHz without both preamps off and the attenuator on. -- Eric F. Richards "Nature abhors a vacuum tube." -- Myron Glass, often attributed to J. R. Pierce, Bell Labs, c. 1940 Hi I have about 10 radios. For $425, the R75 is my best rig. I have no problem with images here in Miami. There are many Hams down here and lots of the time the bands are terrible. But, with my R75, I can clean the signal up very well and enjoy the conversations. I can't do this with my other rigs. Here they. They are not all very good but I started out as a novice. 1] Kenwood 5000 2] Lowe HF-150 3] JVC NRD 525 4] Yaesu FRG-7 5] TenTec 320-D for DRM 6] Yaesu FRG-7700 7] Nasa Target HF3 8] Kenwood QR-666 {really the R300} 9] Degen 1103 10] Icom R75 I would say the next best rig is the HF-150 then the 5000 and 525 are about equal with the 525 giving you a few more options. If I mean business I use the R75. All I know is that I bought a brand NEW radio with **DSP and **dual PBT plus easy computer control for $425. Just being able to mix and match filters is superb. The built in 2 level pre-amp works great. How in the freaken world can you argue this point? How? Point me to a decent receiver for $425. Please, show me so I can buy it. Not to state the obvious, but he did concede that, for the money, R-75 is a value. What he's saying, what I've said, and what has been repeated here over the last few years, is that R-75 is not an absolute value. For $425, yes, it's a good deal. But as an absolute value, it's like most ICOM's (of which I've owned several and loved every one of them): It's potential is not realized until it's been modified. No one is saying that it's a bad radio. No one is saying that it's not worth having, and that it's not a strong player, and to reiterate for those in Rio Linda, FOR THE MONEY, it's a good value. It's just not all it can be. As much as I loved my R-71, I was very much looking forward to R-75's release. And was ready to close a deal with Universal as soon as it was available. But after playing with one for the better part of a day, I was less than impressed. And went in another direction. A direction I've been very pleased with. In fact, I've not bought a new radio since. I liken ICOM's to cars at the drag strip. Do you know why there are so many Fords and Chevy's are used as racing platforms? Ånd you don't see so many Lincoln's and Cadillacs? Not because the Fords and Chevy's are superior, but because they're a good buy for the money. For an economical outlay, you can buy a platform, that when modified to taste becomes precisely the car you want. Exactly built and tuned to the application you've chosen for it. A Lincoln would be a better platform. Sturdier, more finely tuned suspension. But with fewer mods available, and at dramatically higher cost. I"ve seen Lincoln's at the race track. And I watched one mop up a Taurus in the quarter mile, but at 20 times the outlay for a dragstrip car. ICOMs are solidly built, and decent performers. Like entry level domestic cars, their design has great potential for performance. But production cost shortcuts and economies produce a product that could be far more than it is. Requiring modification to extract the performance built into the design. When you're finished, add up price of the radio, the cost of the mods, shipping, old battery and recappable tires, and you've got a radio that's actually more expensive than it would have been had they not cut the production corners in the first place. But then, at least, the absolute value of the radio would be established. There's nothing wrong with you loving your R-75. And as Eric has said more than once, it IS a good value for the money. It's just that as it comes out of the box, it's potential is not realized. And for many users, that's a deterrent to ownership. Not only is the R-75 a good value for dollar, it is a good absolute value as well. Price aside, it is a good radio period. It is well built, sensitive, selective, has a good user interface, is adequate for program listening, can be very good for program listening with simple mods, and it is outstanding for utility and DX'ing. For me, it doesn't make the sense god gave a mule to malign the R-75 because after market mods can improve the performance of the audio definition and the function of the sync detector should you decide to do so. The R-5000 is a great radio and it doesn't even have a sync detector. The NRD 545 is a good radio and to my ear, even through an external speaker the audio is hollow and tinny for any radio, let alone one with a price tag that is so high. I have used the R-75, R-5000, R8, R8b and have some time on an NRD-545. Going by actual usage, I can honestly say that NONE of those radios are "WONDER RADIOS" in comparison with the others. The all have their strengths, but none of them will work miracles in comparison to other ones. They are all capable radios. Of all of those radios, the one that I'd prefer to have for DX'ing and or utility would be the R-75. For program listening, I'd take the R8b. The audio quality itself is not all that much better then my Kiwa modified R-75, but the ssb selectable AM sync on the R8b can be a marvel for cutting out not just fade distortion but cutting out QRM completely from a signal above or below. I can also do the same thing with QRM using my Sony 7600gr too !!!! So.... Those are facts. The R-75 is a good performer in some categories and an OUTSTANDING performer in most others. How can you say it is not an absolute value ??? In reading posts from people that COMPULSIVELY malign the R-75 and obsess over the perceived AM sync deficiency ad nausium, it seems like it is the self justification of a person who spent way more money then the R-75 costs on their rig. Or is it self justification on your part because you either don't have or don't want to spend the money for a better rig? No... Not true at all. I'd spend more money on a better rig. I was going to buy an NRD-545 not too long ago. I tried one out on loan from a friend. Although I loved the way it looked and I loved the way the controls were set up, I thought the weak audio was a serious distraction. Still... That is not why I didn't get one. I was primarily looking for a better DX'ing radio. I'd deal with lesser audio if the DX'ing abilities were better then my R-75. I came to the realization after testing out the NRD-545 that noting could help me DX' any better due to the high noise floor here in north NJ. I dont need a new rig, I need to move to another area. I always did want to see the American southwest. May be Arizona :-) Yes, it's an OK radio, but come on... OK.. I know you like your R8 series, but do you really think the R8 series is better then the R-75 for DX'ing. ??? Absolutely. If they weren't I'd have been one of the first to get R75 The R8 series is only WAY better then the R-75 for one thing and one thing only. And not... not program listening. With my Kiwa mods and external speaker, it does well for program listening. Although not too many people mention it when comparing the R8 with the R-75 because everyone is pointing out the synch thing, the R-75 SUCKS ON ICE for medium wave DX'ing. It's way too noisy. I loved using all of the R8 series for MW, especially the R8b. I thought the R8b's AM synch was the cats ass. Regardless, you cant tell me the R8 or R8a or R8b is better at SW DX'ing then the R-75. I believe I already did. Several times! Tell me again and tell me why. Haven't I wasted enough time on you already? You really need to learn how to pay attention. Start off by gazing at that front panel and try to commit to memory the fact that you're using a R75 vs. an R-75. Mostly because they are IC-R75 (and IC-R8500). There's a hyphen in there, somewhere... I need the "R" to distinguish between the R8500 and my FT-8500, just in case I get confused. :-) That would be a good start. Now you get back to me tomorrow and we'll see if you've made any progress and then perhaps we might proceed from there. dxAce Michigan USA Okay, if you want to dig into the stone age, you can go look up Message-ID: Where I had the R75 and the R8B side-by-side under the bad conditions that soured me on the R75. While the R8B couldn't handle the situation well there, either, it handled it a great deal better than the '75. The R8B is also noted to have a better choice and better shaped filters. Finally, the audio is far superior on the '8B. Me, the '8500 has wonderful audio. ****ty filters, wonderful audio. :-) Can't have everything... Now a comparable new product to the '75 would be the WR G303. Yes, it needs a computer, but the SDR has incredible capabilities. It also has similar weaknesses to the '75, so if you have no problem with the '75 you'll have no problems with the '303... plus you'll have incredible filters and audio as good as your sound card (which can be very good). An old product? Well, my R-392 is the Ultimate Bulletproof Receiver with all those tuned stages in it. It's also portable, especially compared to the better big brother R-390. Mine cost $100. ....you can always add a sherwood engineering detector, connect it to the I.F. out, and get that sync detector you want. You get a better sync detector, too... :-) -- Eric F. Richards "Nature abhors a vacuum tube." -- Myron Glass, often attributed to J. R. Pierce, Bell Labs, c. 1940 |
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"Lucky" wrote:
"Eric F. Richards" wrote in message ... D Peter Maus wrote: Nothing replaces good basics. Amen. I agree with that last sentence wholeheartedly. -- Eric F. Richards "Nature abhors a vacuum tube." -- Myron Glass, often attributed to J. R. Pierce, Bell Labs, c. 1940 So true. You can have the best rig money can buy but without good basics, the money is wasted on it. Well, "the best rig money can buy" ought to have good basics, or, by definition, it isn't "the best rig." Say rather, a $5000 radio with a fatal flaw in the basics is sorrier than a $700 radio with the basics right but no frills. My FRG-100 was that radio. Not as pretty as the '75... I think many people leave the hobby or not get into it because they didn't set things up right. I know I did a lot of things wrong when I first started out and I'm still learning. Lucky -- Eric F. Richards "Nature abhors a vacuum tube." -- Myron Glass, often attributed to J. R. Pierce, Bell Labs, c. 1940 |
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"Michael" wrote:
Clearly, your prone to antagonistic gestures when your compulsion drives you agaisnt facts. Your commentary is a Freudian delight. It's crawling with clues. Okay, you two, lollipops all around. You're just getting into weenie waving wars at this point. I strongly recommend you relax your compulsion and spend a few hours with the R8 and the IC-R75. Do a few side by side comparisons for DX'ing and utility. I promise that self discovery will be far more fullfilling over denial. I did just that. I also posted a link to it. My admittedly radio-hostile environment was the subject; the question was (at the time), what the hell is wrong here? Ironically, the radio-hostile environment was swamping the radios with RF on a... ....wait for it... ....radio quiet zone! -- Eric F. Richards "Nature abhors a vacuum tube." -- Myron Glass, often attributed to J. R. Pierce, Bell Labs, c. 1940 |
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Telamon wrote:
Don't confuse him with facts as he is on a good rant besides this is a your radio sucks thread now. ....beats the hell out of a your political party sucks thread... -- Eric F. Richards "A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on." - Winston Churchill, from RNW |
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