Eric F. Richards wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote:


Eric F. Richards wrote:

D Peter Maus wrote:



I didn't claim it came from a review. It came from a reviewer. Larry
Magne. And it was quoted liberally in many ads and promotional pieces,
with attribution.



Fine. Then all I ask is that you point me to an ad or promotional
piece, where that quote is made and attributed to Larry Magne.

I'm not letting go of this one -- you made a very strong statement,
and you should be able to back it up.




Ok. If I find an ad I'll scan it for you. Or perhaps someone else has
one at hand.

But it's not like this hasn't been discussed to death before. In a
variety of venues. By a variety of personss. Maghakian was a member of
the Grundig Transistor list when this came up, perhaps Mike can contact
the list holder.

I sent most all the materials I had postage due back to Lextronix.



I got a note from Larry explaining what had happened, and something
*similar* to what you say happened, but not *exactly*. I won't quote
it unless he gives me permission to.

Not surprisingly, he's more fair to you than you are to him.




But only you would know that.



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D Peter Maus wrote:

Eric F. Richards wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote:


Eric F. Richards wrote:

D Peter Maus wrote:



I didn't claim it came from a review. It came from a reviewer. Larry
Magne. And it was quoted liberally in many ads and promotional pieces,
with attribution.



Fine. Then all I ask is that you point me to an ad or promotional
piece, where that quote is made and attributed to Larry Magne.

I'm not letting go of this one -- you made a very strong statement,
and you should be able to back it up.




Ok. If I find an ad I'll scan it for you. Or perhaps someone else has
one at hand.

But it's not like this hasn't been discussed to death before. In a
variety of venues. By a variety of personss. Maghakian was a member of
the Grundig Transistor list when this came up, perhaps Mike can contact
the list holder.

I sent most all the materials I had postage due back to Lextronix.



I got a note from Larry explaining what had happened, and something
*similar* to what you say happened, but not *exactly*. I won't quote
it unless he gives me permission to.

Not surprisingly, he's more fair to you than you are to him.




But only you would know that.


I think his choice of words makes all the difference in the world. He
granted permission to quote him, so here it is:

[Begin Edited Quote]

First, Mr. Maus is partially correct. In one Passport edition
Grundig's S800 ad had a quote that they attributed to Passport
to World Band Radio. So that part is true. Trouble is, it
wasn't from anything we wrote in Passport or I ever said.
Rather, the quoted statement was from *Grundig's own ad*
written by them and placed in the prior year's Passport.
[...]
We mean what we say each year that Passport Reports has
nothing to do with advertising, and of course that especially
means I stay clear of it. Instead, we have a separate ad
rep who handles this and nothing else (he was once on our
review team, but when he assumed his ad role he left the team),
and the ad with the unfortunate alleged quote didn't catch his
attention. So, we didn't realize what had happened until
the book came off press.

At that time we acted to see that this sort of activity ceased,
and Grundig responded positively. Since then, no Grundig ads
anywhere have mentioned Passport, much less me, in any manner.
Too, our ad maven now reviews ads carefully beforehand to help
avoid a repetition of this sort of misunderstanding.


[End Edited Quote]

Anyway, that's The Story According To Larry.

As for who is treating who fairly, when you start referring to him in
a respectful but disagreeing way ("Mister" Magne vs "****port"), I'll
give you points in fairness on the issue.

You might call my position biased because I'm defending him -- you
might even be right. But I think I've pointed out that I don't agree
with Passport's rating criteria on a number of levels, but their
audience is greater than just me.

You might also note that if I found them as "biased" as you seem to
think they are, I guarantee you, I'd flame their collective asses here
faster than you can say, "Lardass Lloyd Davies."

--
Eric F. Richards

"Nature abhors a vacuum tube." -- Myron Glass,
often attributed to J. R. Pierce, Bell Labs, c. 1940

Eric F. Richards wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote:


Eric F. Richards wrote:

D Peter Maus wrote:



Eric F. Richards wrote:


D Peter Maus wrote:




I didn't claim it came from a review. It came from a reviewer. Larry
Magne. And it was quoted liberally in many ads and promotional pieces,
with attribution.



Fine. Then all I ask is that you point me to an ad or promotional
piece, where that quote is made and attributed to Larry Magne.

I'm not letting go of this one -- you made a very strong statement,
and you should be able to back it up.




Ok. If I find an ad I'll scan it for you. Or perhaps someone else has
one at hand.

But it's not like this hasn't been discussed to death before. In a
variety of venues. By a variety of personss. Maghakian was a member of
the Grundig Transistor list when this came up, perhaps Mike can contact
the list holder.

I sent most all the materials I had postage due back to Lextronix.



I got a note from Larry explaining what had happened, and something
*similar* to what you say happened, but not *exactly*. I won't quote
it unless he gives me permission to.

Not surprisingly, he's more fair to you than you are to him.




But only you would know that.



I think his choice of words makes all the difference in the world. He
granted permission to quote him, so here it is:

[Begin Edited Quote]


First, Mr. Maus is partially correct. In one Passport edition
Grundig's S800 ad had a quote that they attributed to Passport
to World Band Radio. So that part is true. Trouble is, it
wasn't from anything we wrote in Passport or I ever said.
Rather, the quoted statement was from *Grundig's own ad*
written by them and placed in the prior year's Passport.

[...]

We mean what we say each year that Passport Reports has
nothing to do with advertising, and of course that especially
means I stay clear of it. Instead, we have a separate ad
rep who handles this and nothing else (he was once on our
review team, but when he assumed his ad role he left the team),
and the ad with the unfortunate alleged quote didn't catch his
attention. So, we didn't realize what had happened until
the book came off press.

At that time we acted to see that this sort of activity ceased,
and Grundig responded positively. Since then, no Grundig ads
anywhere have mentioned Passport, much less me, in any manner.
Too, our ad maven now reviews ads carefully beforehand to help
avoid a repetition of this sort of misunderstanding.



[End Edited Quote]

Anyway, that's The Story According To Larry.

As for who is treating who fairly, when you start referring to him in
a respectful but disagreeing way ("Mister" Magne vs "****port"), I'll
give you points in fairness on the issue.

You might call my position biased because I'm defending him -- you
might even be right. But I think I've pointed out that I don't agree
with Passport's rating criteria on a number of levels, but their
audience is greater than just me.

You might also note that if I found them as "biased" as you seem to
think they are, I guarantee you, I'd flame their collective asses here
faster than you can say, "Lardass Lloyd Davies."



I trust your judgement, and your ability to be fair, so I won't
comment on the 'edited quote' statement. Nor do I care if you're biased,
or not, you've demonstrated an ability to transcend your biases over the
years.


And you'll never hear me say Lardass Lloyd Davies.

I've sent you privately an e-mail of some length. It details my
position.

D Peter Maus wrote:



I trust your judgement, and your ability to be fair, so I won't
comment on the 'edited quote' statement. Nor do I care if you're biased,
or not, you've demonstrated an ability to transcend your biases over the
years.

Edited in that there were sentences that just reinforced the point at
the end of the first paragraph, and that there were paragraphs before
and after which were not necessary to drive home the point.



And you'll never hear me say Lardass Lloyd Davies.

I've sent you privately an e-mail of some length. It details my
position.


Read and responded to.

--
Eric F. Richards

"Nature abhors a vacuum tube." -- Myron Glass,
often attributed to J. R. Pierce, Bell Labs, c. 1940

Eric F. Richards wrote:
D Peter Maus wrote:



I trust your judgement, and your ability to be fair, so I won't
comment on the 'edited quote' statement. Nor do I care if you're biased,
or not, you've demonstrated an ability to transcend your biases over the
years.


Edited in that there were sentences that just reinforced the point at
the end of the first paragraph, and that there were paragraphs before
and after which were not necessary to drive home the point.


No explanation necessary. As I said, your fairness is commonly on
display.







And you'll never hear me say Lardass Lloyd Davies.

I've sent you privately an e-mail of some length. It details my
position.



Read and responded to.