dxAce wrote:



"John S." wrote:

Peter Newman wrote:
Folks, here is an interesting (and in my view brilliant) excerpt from
a book by Sir Winston Churchill. He wrote this in 1899, when he was 25
years old.

I apologise for posting this as this is not exactly related to radio,
but given the existing world situation with Islam, I thought that I
would share this.

Peter Newman

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"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!
Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as
hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The
effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly
systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity
of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement;
the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law
every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either
as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of
slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among
men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the
influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those
who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far
from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing
faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising
fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is
sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it
had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as
fell the civilisation of ancient Rome."

Sir Winston Churchill, from The River War, first edition, Vol. II,
pages 248-50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).

That was written during the time that Britain and Russia were engaged
in "The Great Game", or a contest of imperial superpowers to acquire
large stretches of land in central asia.

Actually, 'The River War' deals with his experiences in the Sudan, which most of
us know is in Africa, rather than Asia.

Sudan is run by Muslims, mostly of Arab descent. There are Christians in
Sudan, but they're an oppressed minority, as are the blacks (as opposed
to the Arabs, who run things). The people in Darfur who have been
subjected to genocide by Arab Muslims are Black Christians. The Arab
Muslims in Sudan have been fighting civil wars against Black Christians
for decades, mostly in the south, but now in the west. One other thing:
Sudan is full of oil, most of which is inaccessible because of the wars.


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On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:31:49 -0500, "Brian Hill"
wrote:




You know why HB gets the work? Because their the only MFs that can handle
projects of the size their getting.

B.H.

Cheney and Herbert Bush set the whole deal up. It's a scam.

$60 dollars a day per soldier for spoiled food.

Sailboat fuel convoys.

Billions of dollars missing.

During WW2 there was commission to provide oversight and prevent
profiteering, set up by a Democratic congress to oversee a Democratic
president. Republicans have no intention of checking up on their own.
They are swine.



Yea right

On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:37:18 GMT, David wrote:

On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:11:21 GMT, (Peter Newman)
wrote:


The problem of today is Islam and its crazed Muslims - certainly not
"crazed white guys".

Peter Newman

The problem today is people refusing to live within their means, both
personally and nationally.

The problem today is people see the differences between one another,
not the similarities.

If you want to defeat the jihadists you do not attack their religion.
You stop giving them reasons to kill you.

Bono is right. If the West would use their riches to truly help the
starving and infirm (most of whom are incidently Muslim), while
cutting back on the greed and gluttony at home that forces us to kill
for oil, then the jihadists wouldn't be able to recruit.



You have not responded to my questions enquiring about your racism
implicit in your earlier "crazed white guys" statement. I understand
you have now realized its silliness.

The assertion that terrorism is somehow related to the West
not "living within their means" is a popular cliche amongst the left,
but entirely erroneous. None of the 9/11 terrorists were recruited
from poor people. Moreover, none of them specified poverty as the
cause of their act. For example, Mohammed Atta's father claims that
his son's act (of which he remains immensely proud) is just a first
shot in a long religious war.

To always look for "white man's guilt" as root causes of events is
misleading and disingenuous at the least.

Bono and Geldof are not right at all - they are simply skillful
publicity seekers. Throwing money on poor countries won't help them -
this will only promote their culture of dependency and corruption and
achieve an entirely opposite effect. What would help is establishing a
strong legal system combined with responsible law enforcement where
local business can safely take roots, and where foreign business can
safely invest to.

People like Bono and Geldof should demonstrate en masse against real
"crazy black guys" like Mugabe, the true culprits of poverty, not
against this mythical "crazy white man" supposedly responsible for all
the world's ills.

It is all too easy to blame responsibility on the West, closing one's
eye's to the real causes - which seem too politically incorrect and
uncomfortable to speak out.

The West needs to make no excuses for living well - we have worked
hard many long centuries to achieve our standard of living. We are
always happy to help - as we indeed do. But to blame us for other
countries' failures, in this case for the obvious failures of Islamic
countries, is a bit too much.

The root cause of economic and social failures of Islamic countries is
simply Islam.

Peter Newman

On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 22:56:07 GMT, (Peter Newman)
wrote:


You have not responded to my questions enquiring about your racism
implicit in your earlier "crazed white guys" statement. I understand
you have now realized its silliness.

I am racist. I am an exception. Who isn't?
Otherwise, it's a popular perception.

The assertion that terrorism is somehow related to the West
not "living within their means" is a popular cliche amongst the left,
but entirely erroneous. None of the 9/11 terrorists were recruited
from poor people. Moreover, none of them specified poverty as the
cause of their act. For example, Mohammed Atta's father claims that
his son's act (of which he remains immensely proud) is just a first
shot in a long religious war.

I was speaking more in the sense that we tend to exploit the locals
while carting-off all their bananas. And we do have a record of
genocide and slavery.


Bono and Geldof are not right at all - they are simply skillful
publicity seekers. Throwing money on poor countries won't help them -
this will only promote their culture of dependency and corruption and
achieve an entirely opposite effect. What would help is establishing a
strong legal system combined with responsible law enforcement where
local business can safely take roots, and where foreign business can
safely invest to.

Fascinating.


The West needs to make no excuses for living well - we have worked
hard many long centuries to achieve our standard of living. We are
always happy to help - as we indeed do. But to blame us for other
countries' failures, in this case for the obvious failures of Islamic
countries, is a bit too much.

I don't think they want our help. I think they want us to go away.

Swine? I thought we were Infadels.
cuhulin

Throwing money and food to other countries,some countries,results in the
rulers of those countries siphoning off the food and money for things
that does not help those countries.
cuhulin

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On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 23:18:38 GMT, David wrote:

On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 22:56:07 GMT, (Peter Newman)
wrote:


You have not responded to my questions enquiring about your racism
implicit in your earlier "crazed white guys" statement. I understand
you have now realized its silliness.

I am racist. I am an exception. Who isn't?

Well, for example, I am not a racist.

Otherwise, it's a popular perception.

What exactly?

The assertion that terrorism is somehow related to the West
not "living within their means" is a popular cliche amongst the left,
but entirely erroneous. None of the 9/11 terrorists were recruited
from poor people. Moreover, none of them specified poverty as the
cause of their act. For example, Mohammed Atta's father claims that
his son's act (of which he remains immensely proud) is just a first
shot in a long religious war.

I was speaking more in the sense that we tend to exploit the locals
while carting-off all their bananas. And we do have a record of
genocide and slavery.

If we stop buying their bananas, they will suffer even more.
And we are not "carting them away". We are buying them. The point is
that their corrupt governments steal the proceeds from their own
people - and then put them in our banks because they can't even trust
their own.

Bono and Geldof are not right at all - they are simply skillful
publicity seekers. Throwing money on poor countries won't help them -
this will only promote their culture of dependency and corruption and
achieve an entirely opposite effect. What would help is establishing a
strong legal system combined with responsible law enforcement where
local business can safely take roots, and where foreign business can
safely invest to.

Fascinating.

Perhaps so. But in any case simple and logical.

I am impressed that you have at least paused and thought about it.
Most followers of Bono and Geldof don't use their brain - they only
make agreeable noises accompanied by ape-like body movements in the
general rhythm of loud repetitive noise that is made to pass for
"music". Very impressive indeed.

The West needs to make no excuses for living well - we have worked
hard many long centuries to achieve our standard of living. We are
always happy to help - as we indeed do. But to blame us for other
countries' failures, in this case for the obvious failures of Islamic
countries, is a bit too much.

I don't think they want our help. I think they want us to go away.

Yes, the Mugabes of this world certainly want us go away (so they can
steal from and enslave their own people with impunity) - but they
still do scream for more of our "help". The impoverished populations
are desperate for us *not* to go away. But we can't help them without
first throwing out their leaders, which would be kinda politically
incorrect and unpopular. That's why "gentlemen" such as Mr Mugabe can
continue destroying their countries with impunity.

I personally recommend that you go to these impoverished places (any
of your choice) and see the primary causes of poverty for yourself -
not through the politically correct pre-chewed-for-your-consumption
rhetorics of Mr Bono, but using your own brain and observation.
Perhaps you'll then change your mind.

Peter Newman

On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 12:58:39 GMT, (Peter Newman)
wrote:



Well, for example, I am not a racist.

Everyone is. It's natural to have an affinity for your own race.
That's why it's hard for white people to tell black people apart.

Otherwise, it's a popular perception.

What exactly?

That Europeans are crazy and dangerous.



If we stop buying their bananas, they will suffer even more.
And we are not "carting them away". We are buying them. The point is
that their corrupt governments steal the proceeds from their own
people - and then put them in our banks because they can't even trust
their own.
Therefore, we are complicit with their opressors. Like the Al Sauds.

On Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:42:21 -0500, wrote:

Throwing money and food to other countries,some countries,results in the
rulers of those countries siphoning off the food and money for things
that does not help those countries.
cuhulin

Mr. Bono circumvents the corrupt state authorities by using NGOs to
administer the help.