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Peat Bog Thaw: Tipping Point May Be At Hand
Siberia's rapid thaw causes alarm
The whole western Siberian sub-Arctic region has started to thaw The world's largest frozen peat bog is melting, which could speed the rate of global warming, New Scientist reports. The huge expanse of western Siberia is thawing for the first time since its formation, 11,000 years ago. The area, which is the size of France and Germany combined, could release billions of tonnes of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. This could potentially act as a tipping point, causing global warming to snowball, scientists fear. The situation is an "ecological landslide that is probably irreversible and is undoubtedly connected to climatic warming," researcher Sergei Kirpotin, of Tomsk State University, Russia, told New Scientist magazine. The whole western Siberian sub-Arctic region has started to thaw, he added, and this "has all happened in the last three or four years". Warming fast Western Siberia has warmed faster than almost anywhere on the planet, with average temperatures increasing by about 3C in the last 40 years. The warming is believed to be due to a combination of man-made climate change, a cyclical atmospheric phenomenon known as the Arctic oscillation and feedbacks caused by melting ice. When you start messing around with these natural systems, you can end up in situations where it's unstoppable The 11,000-year-old bogs contain billions of tonnes of methane, most of which has been trapped in permafrost and deeper ice-like structures called clathrates. But if the bogs melt, there is a big risk their hefty methane load could be dumped into the atmosphere, accelerating global warming. Scientists have reacted with alarm at the finding, warning that future global temperature predictions may have to be revised. "When you start messing around with these natural systems, you can end up in situations where it's unstoppable," David Viner, of the University of East Anglia, UK, told the Guardian newspaper. "There are no brakes you can apply. "This is a big deal because you can't put the permafrost back once it's gone. The causal effect is human activity and it will ramp up temperatures even more than our emissions are doing." The intergovernmental panel on climate change speculated in 2001 that global temperatures would rise between 1.4C and 5.8C between 1990 and 2100. However these estimates only considered global warming sparked by known greenhouse gas emissions. "These positive feedbacks with landmasses weren't known about then," Dr Viner said. "They had no idea how much they would add to global warming." |
"David" wrote in message ... "The warming is believed to be due to a combination of man-made climate change, a cyclical atmospheric phenomenon known as the Arctic oscillation and feedbacks caused by melting ice. " That Kyoto protocol is working well. |
David wrote: Siberia's rapid thaw causes alarm The whole western Siberian sub-Arctic region has started to thaw The world's largest frozen peat bog is melting, which could speed the rate of global warming, New Scientist reports. The huge expanse of western Siberia is thawing for the first time since its formation, 11,000 years ago. The area, which is the size of France and Germany combined, could release billions of tonnes of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. This could potentially act as a tipping point, causing global warming to snowball, scientists fear. The situation is an "ecological landslide that is probably irreversible and is undoubtedly connected to climatic warming," researcher Sergei Kirpotin, of Tomsk State University, Russia, told New Scientist magazine. The whole western Siberian sub-Arctic region has started to thaw, he added, and this "has all happened in the last three or four years". Warming fast Western Siberia has warmed faster than almost anywhere on the planet, with average temperatures increasing by about 3C in the last 40 years. The warming is believed to be due to a combination of man-made climate change, a cyclical atmospheric phenomenon known as the Arctic oscillation and feedbacks caused by melting ice. When you start messing around with these natural systems, you can end up in situations where it's unstoppable The 11,000-year-old bogs contain billions of tonnes of methane, most of which has been trapped in permafrost and deeper ice-like structures called clathrates. But if the bogs melt, there is a big risk their hefty methane load could be dumped into the atmosphere, accelerating global warming. Scientists have reacted with alarm at the finding, warning that future global temperature predictions may have to be revised. "When you start messing around with these natural systems, you can end up in situations where it's unstoppable," David Viner, of the University of East Anglia, UK, told the Guardian newspaper. "There are no brakes you can apply. "This is a big deal because you can't put the permafrost back once it's gone. The causal effect is human activity and it will ramp up temperatures even more than our emissions are doing." The intergovernmental panel on climate change speculated in 2001 that global temperatures would rise between 1.4C and 5.8C between 1990 and 2100. However these estimates only considered global warming sparked by known greenhouse gas emissions. "These positive feedbacks with landmasses weren't known about then," Dr Viner said. "They had no idea how much they would add to global warming." I'm not knowlegeable enough to say whether global warming is a natural cycle or whether it was partly induced by manmade pollution. That it is happening is beyond doubt. A trip through alaska reveals glaciers melting rapidly. |
On 11 Aug 2005 07:15:01 -0700, "John S." wrote:
I'm not knowlegeable enough to say whether global warming is a natural cycle or whether it was partly induced by manmade pollution. That it is happening is beyond doubt. A trip through alaska reveals glaciers melting rapidly. The Earth is farting. What a way to go. I may resume smoking cigarettes and drinking ethanol. |
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:59:41 -0500, "MnMikew"
wrote: "David" wrote in message .. . "The warming is believed to be due to a combination of man-made climate change, a cyclical atmospheric phenomenon known as the Arctic oscillation and feedbacks caused by melting ice. " That Kyoto protocol is working well. If there's anyone left to write the history of our time, it should be noted that Ronald Reagan's reversal of Jimmy Carter's energy policies (to benefit the big oil people who put Reagan in office) is probably the single most important step in our demise. |
It is a natural cycle that comes and goes.Humans have nothing to do with
global warming.Everytime a Volcano erupts,it puts more polution into the Air than Humans ever have and ever could do.Unlax Doc,it is all only the natural workings of the World. cuhulin |
www.devilfinder.com Scandals Of ronald reagan or any prez you want
to look up.I remember his Silveado Savings & Loans Scandal.Mr.Gorbachov,tear down that wall! The wall was going to come down regardless,East Germany's economy was in such deep despire.ronald reagan was over there for his photo ops.ich bien ein Berliner.photo ops.Phoney bush with the Cowboy hat on at "the ranch" in Crawford,Texas,photo ops. cuhulin |
April 11,1985,the White House announced ronald reagan would be going to
the Military Cemetary in Bitburg,West Germany to lay a Wreath of Honor on buried Americans and buried nazi ss's there.There no American Military folks buried in Bitburg,West Germany,(or at least there wasen't in 1985) they are buried nazi ss's.It is all Germany now,of course. www.devilfinder.com Omaha bush cuhulin |
Have any of y'all ever seen the Book Of Kells before? The original Book
Of Kells was found in a Bog in Ireland many years ago.That Book Of Kells sits in a locked glass showcase in Dublin,Ireland Library and each day,someone who works for that Library unlocks that case and turns a page and then locks the case back up.When Metrocenter Mall www.metromalljackson.com opened for business in November,1977,I went over there across Highway 80 from me to check out the new shopping Mall.Inside the Waldensbooks book store on the book selves was a reprint of the Book Of Kells and naturally,I bought that reprint Book Of Kells.The book is sitting inside of my old antique shift robe closet (I brought that old shift robe closet from my old homeplace in Carthage,Mississippi many years ago) in my bedroom right now. www.devilfinder.com Book Of Kells Ireland cuhulin |
Blame it on the politicians then,it's all their d..n fault.I am fixin to
head on over to the Goodwill store and then to the Beer (ooops,foodstore) store with my 1986 Ford car spewing polution into the Atmosphere. cuhulin |
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 10:51:24 -0500, wrote:
www.devilfinder.com Scandals Of ronald reagan or any prez you want to look up.I remember his Silveado Savings & Loans Scandal.Mr.Gorbachov,tear down that wall! The wall was going to come down regardless,East Germany's economy was in such deep despire.ronald reagan was over there for his photo ops.ich bien ein Berliner.photo ops.Phoney bush with the Cowboy hat on at "the ranch" in Crawford,Texas,photo ops. cuhulin At least Reagan could ride a horse without peeing in his pants. |
wrote in message ... Blame it on the politicians then,it's all their d..n fault.I am fixin to head on over to the Goodwill store and then to the Beer (ooops,foodstore) store with my 1986 Ford car spewing polution into the Atmosphere. cuhulin You should be driving a 1986 Ford pickup truck with no less than TWO clear-thru-the-quarterpanels 4" diameter rustout holes in the bedliner in it! Not a damm 4-wheeler old lady car. Get an old rusted out Ford PU, then you can toss yer beer cans and soda cans in the tailbed and as you drive you can watch and bet when the cans FALL THRU the rust holes onto the highway below whilst turning or changing lanes on the Interstate. (this is better known as 'Playing Redneck Billards' among the more refined grades of American Trailer Trash......) http://www.askuncleralph.com/ http://www.jolenestrailerpark.com/ |
Trucks I have owned before.1948 Chevrolet Pickup truck,1954 Ford one ton
truck which I bought at East Ford Company dealership,it had a big box bed/body behind the cab,it originally was previously owned by a farmer in Illinois and later on,I traded that truck for a 1967 Ford pickup truck which I traded that truck for the 1948 Chevrolet pickup truck to a guy who worked where I worked at Delta Cotton Oil company on Valley Street.Later on,I bought a 1968 Chevrolet pickup truck from another guy who worked at Delta Cotton Oil company.I am not a redneck (you dont know how the word/term redneck/rednecks came about) Sure,I like trucks,my vans (1971 Chevrolet van,my 1978 Dodge van,my 1982 Ford van,my 1971 big ex-bread truck van,my 1942 Willys World War Two Jeep,my 1948 Willys civilian Jeep,are all classified as trucks.I prefer my Jeeps and my vans and my 1914 Ford Model T Runabout Roadster car (it isn't for sale or trade) to regular style trucks and pickup trucks.I am not the "image" of a redneck in yours or anybody elses feeble little Nitwit Numbskull "mind" driving down the road and throwing my empty beer cans in the back of a pickup truck.I do my beer drinking right here on my couch in my house and I throw my empty beer cans in a big plastic garbage bag.Anything else you think! I should do? You MORON! cuhulin |
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"David" wrote in message ... Siberia's rapid thaw causes alarm G damn! boy your scared of everything. Watch Out dave! There's your shadow!!lol! B.H. |
David wrote: Siberia's rapid thaw causes alarm The whole western Siberian sub-Arctic region has started to thaw The world's largest frozen peat bog is melting, which could speed the rate of global warming, New Scientist reports. The huge expanse of western Siberia is thawing for the first time since its formation, 11,000 years ago. How many years ago was it that you 'tard boys were screaming that it was getting colder and that a new ice age was beginning? What caused this reversal of thought? Was it a change in medication? dxAce Michigan USA |
On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:48:38 -0500, "Brian Hill"
wrote: "David" wrote in message .. . Siberia's rapid thaw causes alarm G damn! boy your scared of everything. Watch Out dave! There's your shadow!!lol! B.H. None of this frightens me at all. It's past the time when being scared would help. |
David wrote: On Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:48:38 -0500, "Brian Hill" wrote: "David" wrote in message .. . Siberia's rapid thaw causes alarm G damn! boy your scared of everything. Watch Out dave! There's your shadow!!lol! B.H. None of this frightens me at all. It's past the time when being scared would help. Perhaps a double dose of meds might work? Heck, take the whole damn bottle! dxAce Michigan USA |
I have a Popular Science magazine here that dates back to either 1960 or
1961 and on the front cover is a drawing/picture thingy of New York City completly incased in ICE all the way up to and higher than the tallest buildings in New York City.Inside of the magazine is an article that pertains to,Is an ice age coming soon? Sheeesh,can't they make up their minds? cuhulin |
I have a hardback book around here somewhere that I bought a few years
ago at the Barnes & Noble bookstore on County Line Road.The book is about ancient Chinese inventions.The Chinese actually invented many things that we take for granted. cuhulin |
RHF wrote:
By the Year 2020 the Nation of China (PRC) will become the Major World Wide Environmental Polluter in the World with India being #2 or #3. The radio man said yesterday that of the twenty most polluted cities on the planet, China has sixteen of them. So much for the morals of the businesses moving there as quick as they can. mike |
Yeah,if it's on the radio,it must be true too.That light bulb in my lamp
by my couch popped.That was an unusually good light bulb,it lasted more than two weeks.Missing in Action III movie has just now started on tv,I reckon I will watch the movie.On the streets of the Cityyy,,,,,,,,,, cuhulin |
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wrote in message ... It is a natural cycle that comes and goes.Humans have nothing to do with global warming.Everytime a Volcano erupts,it puts more polution into the Air than Humans ever have and ever could do.Unlax Doc,it is all only the natural workings of the World. cuhulin ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- These same people who claim global warming were telling us back in the 70's we're heading for global cooling, remember that one?? Through out earths history their have been many ice ages followed by warming periods. One could say the earth is warming up, because we are now coming out of a 10,000 year ice age. Man has little to nothing to do with it. Read anything by Dr. Dixie Lee Ray, I believe is her name, and she spells it out quite well. J |
On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:05:42 GMT, "Jeff"
wrote: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- These same people who claim global warming were telling us back in the 70's we're heading for global cooling, remember that one?? Through out earths history their have been many ice ages followed by warming periods. One could say the earth is warming up, because we are now coming out of a 10,000 year ice age. Man has little to nothing to do with it. Read anything by Dr. Dixie Lee Ray, I believe is her name, and she spells it out quite well. Do you have names for these ''same people''. Does NASA ring a bell? Could it be that in the past 30 years we learned more? If the Gulf Stream quits bringing warm water to New England and Europe might they get colder while Equatorial regions get warmer. The word for today is ''thermohaline''. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermohaline_circulation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas |
The word for today is,I am fixin to head on over to the Goodwill (word)
store and then to the food (word) store. cuhulin |
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In article aV2Le.262322$xm3.117517@attbi_s21,
Jeff wrote: wrote in message ... It is a natural cycle that comes and goes.Humans have nothing to do with global warming.Everytime a Volcano erupts,it puts more polution into the Air than Humans ever have and ever could do.Unlax Doc,it is all only the natural workings of the World. cuhulin ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- These same people who claim global warming were telling us back in the 70's we're heading for global cooling, remember that one?? Here's clue about Science. It works by having a crowd of people come up with all sorts of different ideas. Each person or group comes up with a set, and the rest of the group work to tear it to shreds. So if you go back a bit in time, before the dust has settled, you'll find a serious scientist saying JUST ABOUT ANYTHING. It's not what one scientist says, it's what they select as a consensus. Listen to one scientist, and you can be listening to a total crank, like your example in the next paragraph. Through out earths history their have been many ice ages followed by warming periods. One could say the earth is warming up, because we are now coming out of a 10,000 year ice age. Man has little to nothing to do with it. Read anything by Dr. Dixie Lee Ray, I believe is her name, and she spells it out quite well. Er, she was an Atomic Energy Commissioner and then Governor of the State of Washington. So put her in the Politician category, not the Scientist category. (And having been a state employee that that time, not a very good one, either). Before that, she was a Marine Biologist and then ran a museum (the Seattle Science Center). So her expertise was in kelp or worms or something like that. And ****ing people off. She was real good at ****ing people off, but not very good at having a scientific model that made good predictions. In other words, she could say wrong or stupid things with great certainty. Mark Zenier Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com) |
"David" wrote in message ... On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 00:42:20 -0500, wrote: Yeah,if it's on the radio,it must be true too.That light bulb in my lamp by my couch popped.That was an unusually good light bulb,it lasted more than two weeks.Missing in Action III movie has just now started on tv,I reckon I will watch the movie.On the streets of the Cityyy,,,,,,,,,, cuhulin You still use incandescent lamps, from the 19th Century? Yikes. Yeah, ok luddite. |
"RHF" wrote in message oups.com... Cuhulin, . If you are still using the common 100 Watt Incandescent Bulb. . "SunLight Bulb" Saves the Planet and your Eyes and reduces Radio Noise generated by most CF Lights :o) . Try one of the newer Compact Fluoreescent (CF) Bulbs from Lights-of-America that uses FluoreX Technology. These are be sold as "SunLight Bulb" (Sky Blue Label) and are rated at 135 Light Output 2000 Lumens with only a 30 Watt Energy Use and a 6000 Hour Life. The Model No.2830 S with a Color Temperture or 6500K (Cool White) . Claims are : Natural Spectrum Light; Provides Soothing Glare Free Light; Enjoy Natural DayLight Indoors; Natural DayLight has an overall positive effect on Health, Mood, and Appearance while reducing any Eye Strain. www.lightsofamerica.com . So these newer "CF" Bulbs seem to offer several Pluses over the older "CF" Bulbs and original Incandescent Bulbs: + More Rated Output (35%) then the original Bulb. + Less Power Used (30%) then the original Bulb. + Better Sun Light Color Rendition then the original Bulb. + Less RF Radio Noise then older CF Bulbs. [ Better for your Radios and Radio Reception ] . Available at Wal-Mart Stores for about $8+ . yes once again - more than you wanted to know ~ RHF . . . . . Interesting. I swapped out the flouresents from my radio room to halogens but still get a bit of a hum. Might have to give these a whirl. |
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I use them GE Real 60 (60 watt) light bulbs except in my bathroom and
kitchen where I use screw in flourescent light bulbs which I leave turned on all the time.I don't use flourescent light bulbs in my living room because they interfere with my computer equipment and my webtv equipment too much.I dont use them in my dining room either because my dining room is next to my living room.Mostly,I prefer the old style light bulbs.I am just too old fashioned,I reckon.I dont care anything about keeping up with the Jonesies,S...w them! cuhulin |
That is what I have in my bathroom and kitchen,Lights-Of-America screw
in flourescent light bulbs.I bought them at the wal mart store. cuhulin |
"RHF" wrote in message oups.com... JEFF, . "Cyclical" World-Wide Climate Pattern changes are measured in Decades and most often Hundreds of Years; and can last for Thousands of Years or more... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yea I know,, that is what I was referring to. . The History of the Norse-Viking habitation of Greenland was such a 'short term' Cyclical Pattern of Climate Change. . just my two cents worth 'jm2cw' ~ RHF . . . . . |
On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 19:52:18 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote: The United States leads best when it leads by example. The United States leads the worst when it leads by example. Is that the only response you could come up with? LOL! Good-gravy, I was fairly confident that you would have stumbled across something better than that to plagiarize. Apparently, I was wrong and you're too pathetic to even steal a good retort! That's rather sad, actually... -=jd=- Do as I say, not as I do? |
On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:20:52 -0500, "MnMikew"
wrote: "David" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 13:21:19 -0500, "MnMikew" wrote: "RHF" wrote in message oups.com... MnM, . Direct (Screw-In) Halogen Bulbs should be as RF Quiet as the older 'standard' Incandescent Bulbs. Some Halogen Desk Lighting Systems use a Transformer Yes mine are in a fixture and I would imagine there's some kind of transformer in there. A ''halogen'' bulb is simply an incandescent with gas, rather than a vacuum, inside the bulb. It still uses 90% of the energy going into it to produce heat, rather than visible light. $8 a bulb is way too high for a CF. Try the 5-packs at Home Depot. It definetily kicks out the heat, especially when its cranked up to 300W. Would come in handy in the winter. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract |
At least three tons or much more of Space dust (including Meteorites
once in a while too) drift into our Atmosphere and down on to the surface of Earth and on/in the water,Oceans,Seas,Lakes,Rivers,Ponds,on top our roof tops,everywhere,every day,every year.Earth is gradually getting larger every day. cuhulin |
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