On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 15:47:29 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:


On Sat 13 Aug 2005 07:48:52p, David wrote in message
:

On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 23:17:53 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:




You
can't go around invading countries,


Yes we can, and we have.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=29273



You inaccurately stated, "You can't go around invading countries...". With
the following six words, "Yes we can, and we have," I clearly pointed out
your inaccuracy. No news article can change the fact that the U.S. *HAS* gone
around and invaded *TWO* soverign countries (so far), on the WOT. Do you have
some other inaccurate point you would like to assert?

-=jd=-

Tweren't me, Sweetheart.

Your fake War on Terror is just an excuse to plunder and rob. Bush
and Bin Ladin are pals.

On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 15:48:14 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:


On Sat 13 Aug 2005 07:51:28p, David wrote in message
:

On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 23:32:37 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:


If grasshoppers had shotguns, the Robins wouldn't bother them.

-=jd=-
Grasshoppers don't need shotguns. The robins barely make a dent in
the grasshoppers.

If robins bothered grasshoppers, grasshoppers would foster a gene
which makes them taste bad to birds.


Did you even hear the slight whistling sound as that went sailing over your
head?

-=jd=-

You are a relic.

On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 16:41:36 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:

Your fake War on Terror is just an excuse to plunder and rob.


More inaccuracies...


Bush
and Bin Ladin are pals.


Yet more inaccuracies...
You're just full of em' today, aren't you, sunshine?


-=jd=-
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0821-01.htm

On Sun, 14 Aug 2005 16:44:52 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:


Did you even hear the slight whistling sound as that went sailing over
your head?

-=jd=-

You are a relic.



And you are obviously at a loss for a substantive refutation. Do you make
it a habit of allowing a "relic" to stymie you.


-=jd=-
You have a point there. If you part your hair on the other side it
may be less noticeable.

"SeeingEyeDog" wrote in message
...

"FDR" wrote

But we invaded despite the UN not sanctioning it. If we cared about the
UN
resolutions then we should have worked with the UN. We obviously decided
to
take matters into our own hands, so the whole UN resolution reason is
moot.


Keep your eyes on the ongoing Iranian nuke non-negotiations for your
answer
on what would have occurred with Iraq had the U.N. been allowed to dictate
terms.



Buzzz wrong.

The great nation of Israel took care of that for us already a long long time
ago.

Lucky

"David" wrote

There is no one more dangerous than someone who believes in an
afterlife.

Clinton was a horn-dog. Bush is crazy.


Seek professional help immediately!

"David" wrote

Your fake War on Terror is just an excuse to plunder and rob. Bush
and Bin Ladin are pals.


So what are you going to do about the Communists?

"David" wrote
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0821-01.htm


Seek professional help immediately!

Seek professional advice immediately!

"David" wrote
You have a point there. If you part your hair on the other side it
may be less noticeable.

I think it's rather weird to support a President on every position he
represents, whether we agree with that position or not. He isn't God,
for God's sake...just a fallible human, like you and me.

That is why there is the House and Senate. By god, you are aware of them,
right?

Good! You passed your civics class. And, as I am in theory allowed to
tell my reps what to do, I may tell them to oppose the President or
support the President, depending on my opinion.

The difference is that he was elected into office. Whether or not you
personally believe he was
elected is irrelevant unless you are a prospective dictator. Are you?.

My my - you are certainly reading alot more into my statements than I
ever wrote into them. Tell me more! I am so fascinating...;-)

By the way, I seriously doubt that anyone who looks closely at the last
two elections in the US is sure of who was elected - the evidence of
either side winning is sketchy at best.

This, without even getting into the question of his generalized competency for the
job.

On what basis are you to judge his competency?

I *am* the United States, bucko, along with 300,000,000 other citizens.
In the Constitution of the US, I and my countrymen and women have the
ultimate supreme power to decide whether he is competent and whether he
deserves to be the President. I don't know what country you come from,
but here in America *we the people* ARE the basis for judging the
competency of our leaders.

What I am not in control of, however, is whether the rest of my
countrymen pay enough attention or think critically enough to make an
informed decision, or whether they just knee-jerk react to the
demegoguery of the seemingly endless parade of fools that purport to be
the leaders of this planet. Most of the characters on this newsgroup
seem to indicate the latter.

Frankly, if he's wrong, he's WRONG and we have an obligation to
try to correct his path. We can argue about whether he is wrong until
doomsday, but eventually we must take the lead.

Please show us the facts, not rhetoric, on exactly what points he is wrong.

First off, I don't owe you ANYTHING - it's your job to figure out these
things on your own.

Second, I have yet to see a *fact* come from the White House that they
can verify - mostly it's been a smokescreen of thick oily haze. They
are ones who owe us. Extraordinary claims, which they have made to
justify their war, deserve extraordinary evidence. So far, no good.

And sure as hell, logic is not our president's friend.

I expect you to show verifiable and relevant facts from your vast
international intelligence sources. You imply that your "intelligence" is
superior.

You expect? And who are you, Mr.SeeingEyeDog?

I imply nothing. I say that the government has gone to no substantive
lengths to show that their Iraq war is justified, and I am still
waiting.

Are you g-g-g-g-od?

Are you stupid? Jeez, what a nut.

We condemn other peoples of history of marching lock-step with their
leaders down dubious paths, whether they be Fascist, Communist,
self-styled two-bit dictators or whatever. Should we not be more
circumspact when it comes to our own leaders so that we can at least
try to keep the worst parts of history from repeating themselves?

You obviously have no clue what it is like to live under Fascism or
Communism.

And you do? Do tell...

You blithering idiot - you have no idea, NO IDEA, based on my posts,
what my knowledge base is. I stand by my original statement - when a
leader leads a nation down a pathway upon which history casts doubt, it
is the duty of the rank and file to question and challenge that leader
to do the right thing and, if necessary, cast him aside in favor of one
who will do what is right. It doesn't matter whether it is Fascism or
Communism or Idi Aminism or Howdy-Doody-ism.

Contrary to what you seem to infer from these posts, I do not imply
anything like overthrow. I am a solid Constitutionalist, including all
the rights - ALL of them - that the Conservatives in the US like to
support or denounce, depending on their mood. I can wait unitl it's
time to throw the bum out legally.

But that is certainly not surprising considering the pathetic state of our
education system.

So how do you come by your expert knowledge?

An education system that has become Socialist and conveniently omits the
history of these hineous regimes. That is exactly what Fascist and
Communist regimes do in
their "education' camps.

That's not what I learned in school - My history teachers were rabid on
showing the reckless venom of Stalinism and Fascism, and the value of
our still best Constitutional government. Don't fool yourself, Bunky,
those guys still represent, for me, the greatest villainy of all time.
Jefferson and Franklin are still my heroes. Apparently not yours,
though...sounds like you'd like to see King Georgy-Doody keep on going
for awhile

You seem to have not gotten this type of education. Where were you
brought up, Bright Boy?

So in a sense, you are correct. This country is turning into a Fascist
Communist state.

Screwball.

Unfortunately for you, your barking up the wrong tree. As
the CSNY said: "Teach your children well."

Hollow opinions, like so much on the internet.

I suggest you stop reading the Left-Wing propaganda blogs

Never read 'em

and start a
library of balanced reading material consisting of books from well
respected authors.

Such as - Rush Limbaugh? Sean Hannity? All your favorites?
Name a couple. Must be balanced now - not just Republican retards
(like Snakewoman - you know who).

How about that stalwart of liberalism, who had opposed the Iraq war at
every turn and has provided excellent rational for doing so -Pat
Buchanan? Or wil you conveniently exclude him?

Exactly who in hell are you talking about?

In at least a few years of intensive reading you will
have enough knowledge to at least coherently argue the President's
competency.

Why, in the end, should I bother, when all I have to go up against is
the likes of you?

And yes, dammit, Bush is incompetent.

Bruce Jensen

You can't fight them militarily and win, as Iraq has proved.

Augh! Iraq isn't over yet; hence, you are premature in your statement of
"proof".

That's not what I read in the paper this weekend. Bush is starting to
admit that they have bitten off more than they can chew. I am amazed
that he has the humility to say so, but anyway...

Looks like Bushy is starting to admit defeat (while trying to save as
much face as he can).

Here we go with the "instant-gratification" mindest. This is a 20-
year effort (by my estimation) and may extend to the next three
generations.

Heh. We won't have any young men left in this country by then...except
the illegal immigrants, whom Bush welcomes with open arms. What is it
we were fighting for again...?

WE haven't lost in Iraq by a long-shot. We have not yet
achieved all of our goals, but I wouldn't say we are behind schedule
either.

See Bush's statements over the weekend.

If you and the rest of the US don't have the stomach to see it
through, then perhaps we have already lost.

What have we lost? Iraq's oil? Who cares? We can, and should, still
go after the terrorists where they lie - which is by all appearances
NOT Iraq.

However, the Bush
administration seems to have the desire to see it through. We aren't
leaving until the new Iraqi govt can stand on it's own. That would be a

*great* success for that phase of the WOT.

See weekend Bush statements.

You
can't go around invading countries,

Yes we can, and we have.

Bully.

cause either they move next door (as
in Afghanistan, they moved to Pakistan) or they run circles around our
bureaucratic military (Iraq).

This was not unexpected, rather, it was anticipated. We are learning from
it, adapting our strategy and tactics to suit and are dealing with them
whenever we encounter them.

Yeah - we are copping out. See Bush's weekend statements.

You haven't figured out anything. Though your propaganda scheme wouldn't
hurt, the entire muslim world has lived with propaganda being drilled into
them for so many generations that the marginal effectiveness of any
propaganda campaign aimed at them would be questionable. It's probably
marginally worth it, but I doubt anyone would rely on it for substantial
results. The only people they pay any serious heed to are the imams and
nopt the ones bought and paid for with US cash - they can tell the
difference. If you can turn all the imams with broadcast propaganda, more
power to you. But, if you understand who you are broadcasting that
propaganda to, you would know that you will fail miserably.

sigh This is probably true. There are only two ways to get rid of
Islam enmity - (1) make honest friends with them, or (2) murder them
all. Otherwise, we spend eternity fighting with 1,000,000,000 Muslims
who believe us to be the devil incarnate.

You just can't see past the DNC party line, can you? Do you *honestly*
believe that the leadership of the U.S. wants to ahem, "turn America into
a New Rome that will crush everybody, domestic and foreign, who opposes
them"? Is that what you truly, honestly believe? If so, then there is
little to be gained from engaging a nut-case in conversation. You would
belong in the same category of peculiar folks who believe Clinton committed
treason by selling technology to China.

I don't think Bush really knows what he wants for America. but I am
sure he knows what he wants for his millionaire buddies. To him, and
to most pseudo-conservatives, that is the bottom line - business
prospers at any cost...except its own.

I think he is a short-sighted mental midget who values family first,
money second and everything else a distant last. I don't think he is
power-hungry, but I think that while he has it, he is willing to use it
in whatever way he can to achieve these values. I am no seer, but I
predict history will ultimately see him this way.

Bruce Jensen

Well now,I only charge a dollar a question ? It was the cia (formerly
the O.S.S. Office of Sekert Services,that was wayyyy back when they were
good guys) that gave Al-Qaeda (or,Al-Qaida,depending on how you want to
spell it) their"name".I runned out of coffee last night and I had
thought I had bought a plastic jar of Folger's instant coffee when I had
wented to the sto last Saturday,I was in a World of hoit this morning
without my coffee,my joints were aching and everything,so I just now got
back from the sto.I am getting myself woked up good now,I made that
foist cuppa java extra strong.Javaaaaaa,javaaaaaa,java java jing
jing,java java jing jing,java java jing jing jayyyyyy,,,,,,, I heard
Larry Mattlage talking on my radio (top of the hour news) a couple of
hours ago.Vote for Larry Mattlage of Crawford,Texas for President.
cuhulin

I am Independent Conservative.I didn't let the gop down,they let me
down.I do support our Troops (God Bless them) and I support the war on
terrorist and terrorism.Walt Kelly's,Pogo Possum said it best,We Have
Met The Enemy And He Is Us.y'all know how to download Pogo Possum saying
that and those iron on decals for T Shirts y'all can print out on decal
paper y'all can buy at the stores and iron them on there.
cuhulin

I am trying to think whom in fed govt I would trust.(unless he messes
up) Tom Tancredo.I dont even trust Mississippi goobernor haley barbour
and I live in Jackson,Mississippi,Mississippi born n raised.As bad as
Kirk Fordice was,I sort of liked the auld bastid.
cuhulin

A few days ago,I read somewhere on the internet that some Peruvians are
being hired at half price to do some of the jobs in Iraq our U.S.guys
are doing.Such as performing Military Police duties.I forget what the
other jobs the half price Peruvians are going to be doing.Maybe a
www.devilfinder.com search for Half Price Peruvians might turn up
something.
cuhulin

Pray for the U.S.Military Draft to come back.Starting NOW!
cuhulin

On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:19:27 -0500, wrote:

I am trying to think whom in fed govt I would trust.(unless he messes
up) Tom Tancredo.I dont even trust Mississippi goobernor haley barbour
and I live in Jackson,Mississippi,Mississippi born n raised.As bad as
Kirk Fordice was,I sort of liked the auld bastid.
cuhulin

You ARE the Federal Government. That's what Pogo meant.

On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:39:41 -0500, wrote:

A few days ago,I read somewhere on the internet that some Peruvians are
being hired at half price to do some of the jobs in Iraq our U.S.guys
are doing.Such as performing Military Police duties.I forget what the
other jobs the half price Peruvians are going to be doing.Maybe a
www.devilfinder.com search for Half Price Peruvians might turn up
something.
cuhulin

It used to be that American companies were in business so that
American people could make a living while the business owners made a
tidy little profit for themselves.

I aint no stinking fed govt.I worked for fed govt for three years when I
was in U.S.Army.I Joined U.S.Army for three yeas,I did my three years in
U.S.Army and I went on back to civilian life.U.S.Military is same same
as communism because everything is provided for you.Still and all,,, I
am happy I served my Country,U.S.A.I would happily do it again too.Clint
Eastwood is fixng to steal a fancy Russky jet in the Firefox movie just
now starting on tv.
cuhulin

Pogo Possum and his little Georgia Swamp buddies had nothing to do with
govt.
cuhulin

It still is True that I, (I,Hansom Larry,Ladies) Larry am always right.
cuhulin

Yachtboy asked, "... and it was ossama who masterminded
9/11, why are we in Iraq?"

Because the weapons may now be in syria or a surrounding country?

Because it is suspicious iran now has very identical equipment to which we
went into iran searching for?

Because americas' enemies are found there?

Because if we don't leave iraq correctly another dictator who ends up
slaughtering his own people may well rise to power?

etc, etc...

John

On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:07:25 -0500, yachtboy! wrote:

and it was ossama who masterminded
9/11, why are we in Iraq?

David:

.... that seems to be a "way of life" which is quickly disappearing ...

John

On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 18:24:36 +0000, David wrote:

On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:39:41 -0500, wrote:

A few days ago,I read somewhere on the internet that some Peruvians are
being hired at half price to do some of the jobs in Iraq our U.S.guys
are doing.Such as performing Military Police duties.I forget what the
other jobs the half price Peruvians are going to be doing.Maybe a
www.devilfinder.com search for Half Price Peruvians might turn up
something.
cuhulin

It used to be that American companies were in business so that
American people could make a living while the business owners made a
tidy little profit for themselves.

David:

Exactly! And the public servants who we have elected and appointed to
carry out our will and improve conditions within society are not doing
their job.

Only questions left, "What are we going to do about it?", and, "What can
we do about it?"

John

On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 18:22:40 +0000, David wrote:

On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:19:27 -0500, wrote:

I am trying to think whom in fed govt I would trust.(unless he messes
up) Tom Tancredo.I dont even trust Mississippi goobernor haley barbour
and I live in Jackson,Mississippi,Mississippi born n raised.As bad as
Kirk Fordice was,I sort of liked the auld bastid.
cuhulin

You ARE the Federal Government. That's what Pogo meant.

Osamma didn't mastermind 911.U.S.fed govt and Mossad did.Why do y'all
think bush was playing goat stories in Sarasota,Florida? That SOB needs
to go back to Hartford.He isn't a Texan and all Texans know he
ISNT!!!!!!!!
cuhulin

Let ME,ME,ME,,, tell y'all what bush IS! He is nothing but a Worthless
Puppet on a String!
cuhulin

JUMP!!!,bush,JUMP,!!!!!!!
cuhulin

BAD - Yes you are right,

YB - So 'you' are only interested in . . .
Liberal Left-Wing "DNC" Talking Points ~ RHF
. . . . .

Navy Seals movie is just now cranking up on tv.
cuhulin

Back in the 50's and 60's,the jobs were hunting you.
cuhulin

bush is a commie new world order facist bastid.That Son Of a
Bitch!!!!!!!!1 was shootin his finger at America after they just
recently brought on cafta.LOOK,I DONT!!!! support bush!!!!!!
cuhulin

Half price Peruvians in Iraq,taking Americans Jobs.
cuhulin

NUKE ALL politicians!
cuhulin

Honus wrote:

There will be a collection taken for pots of honey.

The house smearing party will be announced in due course.


House? Is that how you guys in Canada spell the word "trailer"?


Sorry. I should have said 'domicile' or 'place of residence'. I don't know that
happened. Even tornados know about trailer parks..sheeesh..


mike

"Brenda Ann" wrote in message ...

"Jeff" wrote in message
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"David" wrote in message
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It used to be that American companies were in business so that
American people could make a living while the business owners made a
tidy little profit for themselves.
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Never had any economics 101 have you?? US corps.
have NEVER been in the business of providing jobs. They have been
in business to make a profit to keep their stockholders happy. Which
gets harder to do as time goes on from competition. Back in the 50s
and 60s their simply wasnt much competition because overseas countries
hadnt really industrialized much yet. Starting with the 70s things chaged,
3rd world countries started industrializing and making the same products
for cheaper.

Economics 102:

If US corporations do not hire US workers, and continue to move those jobs
overseas, eventually they will lose all those profits they had hoped to
gain. This because those workers who either no longer have jobs at all, or
have jobs at Burger King or 7-11, can no longer afford to buy the products
of said corporations. Add to this that the rest of the world will not be
able to afford them, either, since the wages they pay their overseas workers
are not sufficient to support the market.
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It still boils down to keeping the stockholders happy and
investing. If you lose that battle, there is no company to worry
about. This is what happened to the steel industry in the mid- late
70's. The US companies were prdominatley using old antiquated
non efficient bessomer type kilns from the 30s and the Japanese
built brand new computer controlled electric foundries that could
melt 20-30 tons of steel in 30 minutes. US investors lost confidence
and moved there money elesewhere and the results are history.
Which scenerio is worse??

"David" wrote in message ...



Never had any economics 101 have you?? US corps.
have NEVER been in the business of providing jobs. They have been
in business to make a profit to keep their stockholders happy. Which
gets harder to do as time goes on from competition. Back in the 50s
and 60s their simply wasnt much competition because overseas countries
hadnt really industrialized much yet. Starting with the 70s things chaged,
3rd world countries started industrializing and making the same products
for cheaper.


Read your founding documents.
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What does the founding documents have to do with the price of
eggs??? The government does not, should not be involved in private
industry. ????????????????????????????????????

DaviD - The US Citizens are Paying Attention.
However, they are NOT Paying Attention to 'you' !

DaviD - " Ross Perot nailed it. "

"bpnjensen" wrote in message
oups.com...
...but maybe, if we read carefully enough, we could instead assume,
based on your words, that none of us has any idea - maybe there are no
evil forces at all laughing.

Your wrong.

Prove it. Unless you know something that the rest of us non-CIA
operatives cannot... this is just an opinion.

And perhaps our government *hasn't* been
square with us. Wouldn't be the first time, nor, I'd wager, the last.

No government has ever been completely square with anybody.

I rest my case. And when a government isn't square, you question it
and challenge it.

I think it's rather weird to support a President on every position he
represents, whether we agree with that position or not. He isn't God,
for God's sake...just a fallible human, like you and me. This, without
even getting into the question of his generalized competency for the
job. Frankly, if he's wrong, he's WRONG and we have an obligation to
try to correct his path. We can argue about whether he is wrong until
doomsday, but eventually we must take the lead.

I don't support him on every position and frankly I support him on very
little but I do support him in regards to Iraq and the extremists Muslim
or
any other fanatical group that seeks our demise.

Iraq seeks our demise? OOO-Kay....then you may support him. I don't
take your assertions as the gospel, however, and thus I question and
challenge. "Iraq and the extremist Muslims" don't necessarily go
together, by the way - another assumption of convenience.

We condemn other peoples of history of marching lock-step with their
leaders down dubious paths, whether they be Fascist, Communist,
self-styled two-bit dictators or whatever. Should we not be more
circumspact when it comes to our own leaders so that we can at least
try to keep the worst parts of history from repeating themselves?

Just because some of us believe the only way to purge the planet of scum
is
to kill them off doesn't mean we blindly follow our leaders.

You side-stepped the question. It still stands, although you can
ignore it if your wish.

In any case - your definition of "scum" and mine *may* vary (in this
case it does, a little bit, although mostly it is the same), and -

If our leaders do not wisely choose their scum to purge, then we are
wasting our own time, our own people and our own money.

Bruce Jensen


Good luck to you Bruce.

B.H.