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Just one question
I don't really think the Russians are our enemies--at least not in this
context. Remember that school in Russia that got shot up, with all of those little kids murdered? The Islamic radicals who attacked that school are the cut from the same cloth as ones who attached the WTC and who are now bombing the London subways. They want to destroy Russian influence in Chechnya just like the want to destroy American influence in Iraq and Saudi Arabia. These radicals hate the West. They don't care whether it's America, Russia...you name it. |
On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:15:25 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote: On Fri 12 Aug 2005 03:07:25p, yachtboy! wrote in message : If there weren't any wmd in Iraq, and it was ossama who masterminded 9/11, why are we in Iraq? I would be interested in details, not RNC talking points. Think about it... Let's start at a high level and see if you can reason it to a logical, strategic conclusion. You want to combat and curtail radical islamic terrorism (at least) to a tolerable level. How are you going to accomplish that? Let's see if you can come up with anything other than DNC talking points... That means you will likely have to use a bit of common sense and substantive logic, rather than emotional, symbolic, vitriolic rhetoric. -=jd=- So the leader of our country lies to the people to get them involved in a war that is an extreme case of "the end justifies the means"? ************************************************** *** ************************************************** **** Write bush and ask him why his girls haven't enlisted yet. |
On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:20:27 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote: On Fri 12 Aug 2005 03:49:48p, uncle arnie wrote in message : yachtboy! wrote: If there weren't any wmd in Iraq, and it was ossama who masterminded 9/11, why are we in Iraq? I would be interested in details, not RNC talking points. Oil. They're building a nice pipeline from the north. Some people are Alexander the Great wannabes. War is good for business (lots of contracts and expenditures). Fundamentalist religious people believe God is on their side. That tired, old argument won't withstand even the slightest scrutiny. If we were in it for the oil, then I want my share of the purloined petrol. Injecting free oil into the market shouldn't drive prices up... -=jd=- They went to war to stop Saddam from selling the oil. |
On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:06:29 -0500, "MnMikew"
wrote: "yachtboy!" wrote in message .. . If there weren't any wmd in Iraq, and it was ossama who masterminded 9/11, why are we in Iraq? I would be interested in details, not RNC talking points. Dozens of UN resolutions violated for one. And we're also not interested in your DNC talking points either. UN? I thought the UN was bull****? |
"David" wrote in message UN? I thought the UN was bull****? They are bull****. We tried to to work with the UN but they proved to be nothing more than a bunch of longwinded bull****ers. So for once your right dave. Congratulations. -- 73 and good DX. B.H. Brian's Radio Universe http://webpages.charter.net/brianhill/500.htm |
MnMikew wrote: "yachtboy!" wrote in message ... If there weren't any wmd in Iraq, and it was ossama who masterminded 9/11, why are we in Iraq? I would be interested in details, not RNC talking points. Dozens of UN resolutions violated for one. And the cease fire as well... By the way, I got to listen to AirAmerica last night for the very first time. Heard the Randi Rhodes (sp) program. What total crap! dxAce Michigan USA |
"yachtboy!" wrote in message So the leader of our country lies to the people to get them involved in a war that is an extreme case of "the end justifies the means"? No body lied to anyone. You just want so badly to beleive that's true. You have no idea what evil forces are at work laughing their asses off at Americans like you. Your helping the enemy with your lack of faith in your country and your president. B.H. |
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"yachtboy!" wrote in message ... If there weren't any wmd in Iraq, and it was ossama who masterminded 9/11, why are we in Iraq? I would be interested in details, not RNC talking points. You are in Iraq because the American Military had lost Osama and Bush had to divert the attention and anger of the American people and make it look like he was doing something about it. You are in Iraq because War is good for business. You are in Iraq because there was a recession in America. You are in Iraq because two days after Bush sent in the troops he announced a $3.6 trillion dollar rescue package for the American economy. You are in Iraq so that American businesses can rebuild the country and spend some of that $3.6 trillion and pay it to American workers and shareholders. You are in Iraq so that American businesses can supply guns, tanks, hummers, radios, uniforms, aircraft, buildings, food, helmets and 6ft wooden boxes and restock using some of that $3.6 trillion. You are in Iraq because War is good for business. |
You have no idea what evil forces are at work laughing their asses off at
Americans like you. He says, with the tone of one who knows first hand...??? Bruce Jensen |
"bpnjensen" wrote in message ups.com... You have no idea what evil forces are at work laughing their asses off at Americans like you. He says, with the tone of one who knows first hand...??? Bruce Jensen Booo!!! |
You have no idea what evil forces are at work laughing their asses off at
Americans like you. He says, with the tone of one who knows first hand...??? Bruce Jensen Booo!!! ??? You sounded so certain of your statement, with so much authority implied, that I just naturally assumed... ....but maybe, if we read carefully enough, we could instead assume, based on your words, that none of us has any idea - maybe there are no evil forces at all laughing. And perhaps our government *hasn't* been square with us. Wouldn't be the first time, nor, I'd wager, the last. I think it's rather weird to support a President on every position he represents, whether we agree with that position or not. He isn't God, for God's sake...just a fallible human, like you and me. This, without even getting into the question of his generalized competency for the job. Frankly, if he's wrong, he's WRONG and we have an obligation to try to correct his path. We can argue about whether he is wrong until doomsday, but eventually we must take the lead. We condemn other peoples of history of marching lock-step with their leaders down dubious paths, whether they be Fascist, Communist, self-styled two-bit dictators or whatever. Should we not be more circumspact when it comes to our own leaders so that we can at least try to keep the worst parts of history from repeating themselves? That's all for me - the weekend is here. Have a good one. Bruce Jensen |
"bpnjensen" wrote in message ups.com... You have no idea what evil forces are at work laughing their asses off at Americans like you. He says, with the tone of one who knows first hand...??? Bruce Jensen Booo!!! ??? You sounded so certain of your statement, with so much authority implied, that I just naturally assumed... I am most certain the Osama's of the world feel just as I stated. ...but maybe, if we read carefully enough, we could instead assume, based on your words, that none of us has any idea - maybe there are no evil forces at all laughing. Your wrong. And perhaps our government *hasn't* been square with us. Wouldn't be the first time, nor, I'd wager, the last. No government has ever been completely square with anybody. I think it's rather weird to support a President on every position he represents, whether we agree with that position or not. He isn't God, for God's sake...just a fallible human, like you and me. This, without even getting into the question of his generalized competency for the job. Frankly, if he's wrong, he's WRONG and we have an obligation to try to correct his path. We can argue about whether he is wrong until doomsday, but eventually we must take the lead. I don't support him on every position and frankly I support him on very little but I do support him in regards to Iraq and the extremists Muslim or any other fanatical group that seeks our demise. We condemn other peoples of history of marching lock-step with their leaders down dubious paths, whether they be Fascist, Communist, self-styled two-bit dictators or whatever. Should we not be more circumspact when it comes to our own leaders so that we can at least try to keep the worst parts of history from repeating themselves? That's all for me - the weekend is here. Have a good one. Bruce Jensen Just because some of us believe the only way to purge the planet of scum is to kill them off doesn't mean we blindly follow our leaders. B.H. |
yachtboy! wrote:
why are we in Iraq? Good question...and Brad gave a good answer: You are in Iraq because the American Military had lost Osama and Bush had to divert the attention and anger of the American people and make it look like he was doing something about it. You are in Iraq because War is good for business. You are in Iraq because there was a recession in America. You are in Iraq because two days after Bush sent in the troops he announced a $3.6 trillion dollar rescue package for the American economy. You are in Iraq so that American businesses can rebuild the country and spend some of that $3.6 trillion and pay it to American workers and shareholders. You are in Iraq so that American businesses can supply guns, tanks, hummers, radios, uniforms, aircraft, buildings, food, helmets and 6ft wooden boxes and restock using some of that $3.6 trillion. You are in Iraq because War is good for business. Well stated, Brad! Read General Smedley Butler's book (circa 1940) and you will see just how right that last statement of yours really is... Also, if you read "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" by John Perkins (recently on the Best Seller lists for months), his answer to yachtboy's question about "Why Iraq" is: 1) A great strategic location in the Middle East; easy access to the Arabian Sea and many Middle Eastern countries of interest. (No doubt why we are building 3 or 4 permanent bases there). 2) Oil reserves some say are as great as those in Saudi Arabia. 3) Between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, the largest amount of fresh water in the Middle East. Many have asked why we have no exit policy for Iraq. Uh, with all the economic and geopolitical reasons given above, I don't think our gummint wants to exit. I guess "we the people" had a chance to decide if the above strategy was worth the maiming and death of our youth and countless innocent civilians. Looks like 51% went along with the plan... P.S. As Perkins points out in "Confessions", maybe, just maybe, the Islamist world isn't mad at us because of our "life style", but rather that they are tired of us jerking them around, our tinkering in their politics and having to dance to our tune. (Again, before you turn your flame throwers on, give "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" a quick read). Or better yet, have W loan you his Bible and read about "walking a mile in the other man's shoes". Imagine yourself for a moment as the citizen of another country. For decades the CIA has been tinkering with your politics, bribing officials, arranging assassinations and fixing elections. After *decades* of this, mightn't *you* finally get a little ****ed off? |
Why Iraq,or anywhere else? Marshall Plan.
cuhulin |
"David" wrote They went to war to stop Saddam from selling the oil. and to stop the U.N. Oil-for-Fraud program. |
"FDR" wrote But we invaded despite the UN not sanctioning it. If we cared about the UN resolutions then we should have worked with the UN. We obviously decided to take matters into our own hands, so the whole UN resolution reason is moot. Keep your eyes on the ongoing Iranian nuke non-negotiations for your answer on what would have occurred with Iraq had the U.N. been allowed to dictate terms. |
"bpnjensen" wrote ...but maybe, if we read carefully enough, we could instead assume, based on your words, that none of us has any idea - maybe there are no evil forces at all laughing. And perhaps our government *hasn't* been square with us. Wouldn't be the first time, nor, I'd wager, the last. http://www.dragoninthedark.com I think it's rather weird to support a President on every position he represents, whether we agree with that position or not. He isn't God, for God's sake...just a fallible human, like you and me. That is why there is the House and Senate. By god, you are aware of them, right? The difference is that he was elected into office. Whether or not you personally believe he was elected is irrelevant unless you are a prospective dictator. Are you?. This, without even getting into the question of his generalized competency for the job. On what basis are you to judge his competency? Frankly, if he's wrong, he's WRONG and we have an obligation to try to correct his path. We can argue about whether he is wrong until doomsday, but eventually we must take the lead. Please show us the facts, not rhetoric, on exactly what points he is wrong. I expect you to show verifiable and relevant facts from your vast international intelligence sources. You imply that your "intelligence" is superior. Are you g-g-g-g-od? We condemn other peoples of history of marching lock-step with their leaders down dubious paths, whether they be Fascist, Communist, self-styled two-bit dictators or whatever. Should we not be more circumspact when it comes to our own leaders so that we can at least try to keep the worst parts of history from repeating themselves? You obviously have no clue what it is like to live under Fascism or Communism. But that is certainly not surprising considering the pathetic state of our education system. An education system that has become Socialist and conveniently omits the history of these hineous regimes. That is exactly what Fascist and Communist regimes do in their "education' camps. So in a sense, you are correct. This country is turning into a Fascist Communist state. Unfortunately for you, your barking up the wrong tree. As the CSNY said: "Teach your children well." I suggest you stop reading the Left-Wing propaganda blogs and start a library of balanced reading material consisting of books from well respected authors. In at least a few years of intensive reading you will have enough knowledge to at least coherently argue the President's competency. |
I'm so sorry we sucked all that oil and business away from the Communists.
We can still have mutual understanding and be friends, no? "Brad" bradvk2qq AT w6ir.com wrote You are in Iraq because the American Military had lost Osama and Bush had to divert the attention and anger of the American people and make it look like he was doing something about it. You are in Iraq because War is good for business. You are in Iraq because there was a recession in America. You are in Iraq because two days after Bush sent in the troops he announced a $3.6 trillion dollar rescue package for the American economy. You are in Iraq so that American businesses can rebuild the country and spend some of that $3.6 trillion and pay it to American workers and shareholders. You are in Iraq so that American businesses can supply guns, tanks, hummers, radios, uniforms, aircraft, buildings, food, helmets and 6ft wooden boxes and restock using some of that $3.6 trillion. You are in Iraq because War is good for business. |
I hope that just once naive Americans would have a taste of what it would be
like if our enemies had control of a vital strategic U.S. resource. Sorry but the 70's oil embargo was just not severe enough. Besides, it was such a long time ago that the current crop of college boys haven't a clue. "Carter-K8VT" wrote in message ... yachtboy! wrote: why are we in Iraq? Good question...and Brad gave a good answer: You are in Iraq because the American Military had lost Osama and Bush had to divert the attention and anger of the American people and make it look like he was doing something about it. You are in Iraq because War is good for business. You are in Iraq because there was a recession in America. You are in Iraq because two days after Bush sent in the troops he announced a $3.6 trillion dollar rescue package for the American economy. You are in Iraq so that American businesses can rebuild the country and spend some of that $3.6 trillion and pay it to American workers and shareholders. You are in Iraq so that American businesses can supply guns, tanks, hummers, radios, uniforms, aircraft, buildings, food, helmets and 6ft wooden boxes and restock using some of that $3.6 trillion. You are in Iraq because War is good for business. Well stated, Brad! Read General Smedley Butler's book (circa 1940) and you will see just how right that last statement of yours really is... Also, if you read "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" by John Perkins (recently on the Best Seller lists for months), his answer to yachtboy's question about "Why Iraq" is: 1) A great strategic location in the Middle East; easy access to the Arabian Sea and many Middle Eastern countries of interest. (No doubt why we are building 3 or 4 permanent bases there). 2) Oil reserves some say are as great as those in Saudi Arabia. 3) Between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, the largest amount of fresh water in the Middle East. Many have asked why we have no exit policy for Iraq. Uh, with all the economic and geopolitical reasons given above, I don't think our gummint wants to exit. I guess "we the people" had a chance to decide if the above strategy was worth the maiming and death of our youth and countless innocent civilians. Looks like 51% went along with the plan... P.S. As Perkins points out in "Confessions", maybe, just maybe, the Islamist world isn't mad at us because of our "life style", but rather that they are tired of us jerking them around, our tinkering in their politics and having to dance to our tune. (Again, before you turn your flame throwers on, give "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" a quick read). Or better yet, have W loan you his Bible and read about "walking a mile in the other man's shoes". Imagine yourself for a moment as the citizen of another country. For decades the CIA has been tinkering with your politics, bribing officials, arranging assassinations and fixing elections. After *decades* of this, mightn't *you* finally get a little ****ed off? |
"FDR" wrote Once we invade somewhere, we tend to stay. 60 years later and we are still in Germany and Japan. How so? Please explain to all of us how the U.S. is "occupying" two democratic nations. Please be specific and quote legitimate sources. I have plenty of time. |
On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 04:34:07 -0500, "SeeingEyeDog"
wrote: "David" wrote They went to war to stop Saddam from selling the oil. and to stop the U.N. Oil-for-Fraud program. That program was ending. Saddam was going to open the gates. BTW: The USA's hands are very dirty in your aforementioned program. |
On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 05:07:04 -0500, "SeeingEyeDog"
wrote: You're weird. Bush stole both elections. If this ain't fascism, I'm a monkey's uncle. |
David wrote: On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 05:07:04 -0500, "SeeingEyeDog" wrote: You're weird. Bush stole both elections. If this ain't fascism, I'm a monkey's uncle. Yeah, you're a monkeys uncle allright and a 'tard boy as well! dxAce Michigan USA |
Chromium,Chrome.Africa and Russia.Vital? You bet your boots it
is,Chromium,Chrome is vital to America and if things lead to War so America can continue to have Chromium,Chrome,So Be It! cuhulin |
"David" wrote in message ... On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 04:34:07 -0500, "SeeingEyeDog" wrote: "David" wrote They went to war to stop Saddam from selling the oil. and to stop the U.N. Oil-for-Fraud program. That program was ending. Saddam was going to open the gates. LOL - your not weird, your delusional BTW: The USA's hands are very dirty in your aforementioned program. And is the only nation to have begun prosecution procedures against those involved U.S. individuals. You even decided to omit the fact, like usual, that the most blatant violations occurred under Impeached "c"lintoon's watch. Of course your propaganda bureau chief wouldn't allow you to mention that nicely concealed fact now would they? Weird, indeed. |
On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 09:11:16 -0500, "SeeingEyeDog"
wrote: "David" wrote in message .. . On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 04:34:07 -0500, "SeeingEyeDog" wrote: "David" wrote They went to war to stop Saddam from selling the oil. and to stop the U.N. Oil-for-Fraud program. That program was ending. Saddam was going to open the gates. LOL - your not weird, your delusional BTW: The USA's hands are very dirty in your aforementioned program. And is the only nation to have begun prosecution procedures against those involved U.S. individuals. You even decided to omit the fact, like usual, that the most blatant violations occurred under Impeached "c"lintoon's watch. Of course your propaganda bureau chief wouldn't allow you to mention that nicely concealed fact now would they? Weird, indeed. I'm no fan of Clinton. But he was a lot less dangerous than the current bunch of lunatics. |
SeeingEyeDog wrote:
I hope that just once naive Americans would have a taste of what it would be like if our enemies had control of a vital strategic U.S. resource. Sorry but the 70's oil embargo was just not severe enough. Besides, it was such a long time ago that the current crop of college boys haven't a clue. I am fed up with your Great Game bull****. You see everything as a Big Contest between America and China. Us good, them bad. Everything and everybody can be sacrificed so that Us can win. Uzbekistan? Iraq? Who cares? As long as we control the resources those countries contain and not China, the people who actually LIVE there can go to hell, for they are expendable pawns in the Game. A nuke in New York? So what, as long as we invade Iran because of it, and grab their oil so that China can't. New Yorkers and Iranians are pawns in the Game too, and they might as well be cardboard cutouts, because infinite numbers of them can be burned in the furnace of imperial ambition. You are not only psychotic, you are EVIL. You have implied that regime change in China is worth any price, even a nuclear war, even as you savage CCP nomenklatura for saying the same thing about America. This sort of thing led to the ruin of many countries during the Cold War, and almost led to a nuclear holocaust. All in the name of the Game, all so that one side could stand on the rubble of the world and say that they won. I don't want that to happen again. "Carter-K8VT" wrote in message ... yachtboy! wrote: why are we in Iraq? Good question...and Brad gave a good answer: You are in Iraq because the American Military had lost Osama and Bush had to divert the attention and anger of the American people and make it look like he was doing something about it. You are in Iraq because War is good for business. You are in Iraq because there was a recession in America. You are in Iraq because two days after Bush sent in the troops he announced a $3.6 trillion dollar rescue package for the American economy. You are in Iraq so that American businesses can rebuild the country and spend some of that $3.6 trillion and pay it to American workers and shareholders. You are in Iraq so that American businesses can supply guns, tanks, hummers, radios, uniforms, aircraft, buildings, food, helmets and 6ft wooden boxes and restock using some of that $3.6 trillion. You are in Iraq because War is good for business. Well stated, Brad! Read General Smedley Butler's book (circa 1940) and you will see just how right that last statement of yours really is... Also, if you read "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" by John Perkins (recently on the Best Seller lists for months), his answer to yachtboy's question about "Why Iraq" is: 1) A great strategic location in the Middle East; easy access to the Arabian Sea and many Middle Eastern countries of interest. (No doubt why we are building 3 or 4 permanent bases there). 2) Oil reserves some say are as great as those in Saudi Arabia. 3) Between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, the largest amount of fresh water in the Middle East. Many have asked why we have no exit policy for Iraq. Uh, with all the economic and geopolitical reasons given above, I don't think our gummint wants to exit. I guess "we the people" had a chance to decide if the above strategy was worth the maiming and death of our youth and countless innocent civilians. Looks like 51% went along with the plan... P.S. As Perkins points out in "Confessions", maybe, just maybe, the Islamist world isn't mad at us because of our "life style", but rather that they are tired of us jerking them around, our tinkering in their politics and having to dance to our tune. (Again, before you turn your flame throwers on, give "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" a quick read). Or better yet, have W loan you his Bible and read about "walking a mile in the other man's shoes". Imagine yourself for a moment as the citizen of another country. For decades the CIA has been tinkering with your politics, bribing officials, arranging assassinations and fixing elections. After *decades* of this, mightn't *you* finally get a little ****ed off? ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
-=jd=- wrote:
On Fri 12 Aug 2005 04:49:04p, yachtboy! wrote in message : On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:15:25 GMT, "-=jd=-" wrote: On Fri 12 Aug 2005 03:07:25p, yachtboy! wrote in message : If there weren't any wmd in Iraq, and it was ossama who masterminded 9/11, why are we in Iraq? I would be interested in details, not RNC talking points. Think about it... Let's start at a high level and see if you can reason it to a logical, strategic conclusion. You want to combat and curtail radical islamic terrorism (at least) to a tolerable level. How are you going to accomplish that? Let's see if you can come up with anything other than DNC talking points... That means you will likely have to use a bit of common sense and substantive logic, rather than emotional, symbolic, vitriolic rhetoric. -=jd=- So the leader of our country lies to the people to get them involved in a war that is an extreme case of "the end justifies the means"? So you are choosing to stick to the DNC talking points then? I should have expected as much... Ok, now let's answer the question. We need to fight them on their own turf. You can't fight them militarily and win, as Iraq has proved. You can't go around invading countries, cause either they move next door (as in Afghanistan, they moved to Pakistan) or they run circles around our bureaucratic military (Iraq). We need better propaganda. We need to fire Pattiz and return the VOA to its Cold War self, except in Arabic and Middle Eastern languages instead of Russian. We need a Radio Free Islam. We need an effective satellite news service, not Al Houri (very lame and obvious) but something that looks and sounds reasonable to the average Arab, sort of a black clandestine Al Jazeera. We need to convince the average Saudi that American democracy is better than Arab totalitarianism. If we lose the House of Saud or Hosni Mubarak in the process, so what, we just ally ourselves with the new leaders. We need Radio Free Islam to broadcast sermons by liberal imams that use the Quran to say that suicide bombing is wrong and that liberal democracy and freedom for both men and women is right. We need RFI to broadcast prayers for peace and freedom, to compete with the Saudi shortwave service. If I can figure this out, why can't Bush? Bush seems to be snakebit in everything he does-it's either ineffective or backfires. He's so cocooned in his hermetically sealed world of privilege and power, and the CIA is so entrenched in bureaucracy, that they can't concieve of how to really win this war except to turn America into a New Rome that will crush everybody, domestic and foreign, who opposes them. That simply won't work. Rome eventually was overrun by barbarians, and the New Rome doesn't have much of a chance to get off the ground. ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
We are paying for every drop of oil that comes from other Countries and
we are paying (from directly out of our pockets or credit cards/debit cards and taxes) for that oil and every drop of oil that comes from within U.S.A.and offshore.How much is the price of regular gasoline per gallon where you live.If you you want to check the price of gasoline where I live, www.jacksongasprices.com cuhulin |
-=jd=- wrote: On Fri 12 Aug 2005 10:52:54p, "FDR" wrote in message : "-=jd=-" wrote in message 8... On Fri 12 Aug 2005 03:07:25p, yachtboy! wrote in message : If there weren't any wmd in Iraq, and it was ossama who masterminded 9/11, why are we in Iraq? I would be interested in details, not RNC talking points. Think about it... Let's start at a high level and see if you can reason it to a logical, strategic conclusion. You want to combat and curtail radical islamic terrorism (at least) to a tolerable level. How are you going to accomplish that? You've got a bee hive with a few million bees. Do you throw a baseball at it? Or do you capture the queeen? You throw every baseball you can get your hands on!! break You clearly haven't the slightest clue about radical islamic terrorism, what it's stated, publicized goals are, or how to combat it. You think stirring up the bee hive is a bad idea and that we should (ahem) "capture the queeen". That is a fairly idiotic statement. Osama and his peers are not "leaders" in the "cut off the head of the snake" sense, but are more akin to the primary mouth-pieces. There are plenty more waiting to fill in should one of them get zapped. If they are killed, it has zero impact on planned operations. There is no "queen", Not exactly zero impact there is a short term impact, but on the whole Id rather keep UBL on the loose sucking up the Media O2 than allow newer and more vigourous leader to emerge leader, head, king, emperor, whatever else you want to call it that the remainder of the structure relies upon to function, so your opinion seems idiotic. For a non-uniformed enemy who is trained to, and survives by, blending into the general population, the only way you can get them to show themselves is to "stir up the bee hive". 22-SAS has shown this to be an almost guaranteed successful tactic for drawing them out. Instead of traipsing around the globe, looking in a billion different spider-holes hoping to find one or two, we have the terrorists coming (in droves) to our forces in Iraq -- we don't have to go all over the world to find them! But, you apparently DO NOT think "stirring up the bee's nest" in this case is a good idea, which tells me you're an idiot. When you capture *any* radical, islamic terrorist, you have only succeeded in providing them with an excuse to stage another terrorist act to free the catured one. No-one has yet demonstrated that anything other than martyring them is the least bit effective in curtailing radical islamic terrorist activities. Historically, most every "peaceful" method has met with utter, abject failure. They can't be bribed, appeased, bargained with, negotiated with - hell, they won't even tolerate your surrender to them. It seems the only time they assent to negotiations is when they want a breather so they can reload. That you would urge the "capture" of any of them, let alone some non-existent "queen", tells me you are an idiot. You should stick to discussing something you have a clue about. This clearly isn't your subject and you look like just another Bush-bashing idiot parroting some other misguided Bush-bashing blogger. I keep hearing plenty of whining, liberal carpers who can't stomach the thought of fighting an enemy who is physically, mentally and spiritually committed to the destruction of western society. Just once, I would like to hear their strategic idea for putting a stop to terrorism. Note, all political efforts have failed in the past - there is no sane reason to think any political effort will succeed in the future. However, just for laughs, it would be interesting to hear the liberal solution to radical islamic terrorism. -=jd=- -- My Current Disposable Email: (Remove YOUR HAT to reply directly) |
On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 14:07:25 -0500, yachtboy!
wrote: If there weren't any wmd in Iraq, and it was ossama who masterminded 9/11, why are we in Iraq? I would be interested in details, not RNC talking points. ************************************************* **** ************************************************* ***** Write bush and ask him why his girls haven't enlisted yet. Services have no legally-defensible jobs for drunken tarts? |
I was useing my sandblaster on an old pickup truck in my back yard a few
years ago.A bunch of bees started coming at me.I let them have it with my sandblaster.Last month,killer bees were discovered next door in Louisiana.I reckon it wont be much longer and they will be showing up in Mississippi. cuhulin |
On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 21:42:19 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote: You clearly haven't the slightest clue about radical islamic terrorism, what it's stated, publicized goals are, or how to combat it. When you capture *any* radical, islamic terrorist, you have only succeeded in providing them with an excuse to stage another terrorist act to free the catured one. No-one has yet demonstrated that anything other than martyring them is the least bit effective in curtailing radical islamic terrorist activities. Historically, most every "peaceful" method has met with utter, abject failure. They can't be bribed, appeased, bargained with, negotiated with - hell, they won't even tolerate your surrender to them. It seems the only time they assent to negotiations is when they want a breather so they can reload. That you would urge the "capture" of any of them, let alone some non-existent "queen", tells me you are an idiot. Salmon Rushdie says Islam is in need of a Reformation. |
On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 23:17:53 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote: You can't go around invading countries, Yes we can, and we have. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=29273 |
On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 23:32:37 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote: If grasshoppers had shotguns, the Robins wouldn't bother them. -=jd=- Grasshoppers don't need shotguns. The robins barely make a dent in the grasshoppers. If robins bothered grasshoppers, grasshoppers would foster a gene which makes them taste bad to birds. |
wrote in message ... I was useing my sandblaster on an old pickup truck in my back yard a few years ago.A bunch of bees started coming at me.I let them have it with my sandblaster.Last month,killer bees were discovered next door in Louisiana.I reckon it wont be much longer and they will be showing up in Mississippi. I guess every cloud has a silver lining after all. |
Honus wrote:
I was useing my sandblaster on an old pickup truck in my back yard a few years ago.A bunch of bees started coming at me.I let them have it with my sandblaster.Last month,killer bees were discovered next door in Louisiana.I reckon it wont be much longer and they will be showing up in Mississippi. I guess every cloud has a silver lining after all. There will be a collection taken for pots of honey. The house smearing party will be announced in due course. mike |
"m II" wrote in message news:BJCLe.178208$HI.46726@edtnps84... Honus wrote: I was useing my sandblaster on an old pickup truck in my back yard a few years ago.A bunch of bees started coming at me.I let them have it with my sandblaster.Last month,killer bees were discovered next door in Louisiana.I reckon it wont be much longer and they will be showing up in Mississippi. I guess every cloud has a silver lining after all. There will be a collection taken for pots of honey. The house smearing party will be announced in due course. House? Is that how you guys in Canada spell the word "trailer"? |
"David" wrote Weird, indeed. I'm no fan of Clinton. But he was a lot less dangerous than the current bunch of lunatics. Is that your senseless opinion or do you have legitimate facts from legitimate sources that you can quote and link to for the benefit of all of us? Anyone in the pinnacle of high office that easily succumbs to immoral carnal sexual desires with an intern young enough to be his daughter shows extremely dangerous character. But knowing your morals I don't expect you to understand that fact. |
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