You can't fight them militarily and win, as Iraq has proved.

Augh! Iraq isn't over yet; hence, you are premature in your statement of
"proof".

That's not what I read in the paper this weekend. Bush is starting to
admit that they have bitten off more than they can chew. I am amazed
that he has the humility to say so, but anyway...

Looks like Bushy is starting to admit defeat (while trying to save as
much face as he can).

Here we go with the "instant-gratification" mindest. This is a 20-
year effort (by my estimation) and may extend to the next three
generations.

Heh. We won't have any young men left in this country by then...except
the illegal immigrants, whom Bush welcomes with open arms. What is it
we were fighting for again...?

WE haven't lost in Iraq by a long-shot. We have not yet
achieved all of our goals, but I wouldn't say we are behind schedule
either.

See Bush's statements over the weekend.

If you and the rest of the US don't have the stomach to see it
through, then perhaps we have already lost.

What have we lost? Iraq's oil? Who cares? We can, and should, still
go after the terrorists where they lie - which is by all appearances
NOT Iraq.

However, the Bush
administration seems to have the desire to see it through. We aren't
leaving until the new Iraqi govt can stand on it's own. That would be a

*great* success for that phase of the WOT.

See weekend Bush statements.

You
can't go around invading countries,

Yes we can, and we have.

Bully.

cause either they move next door (as
in Afghanistan, they moved to Pakistan) or they run circles around our
bureaucratic military (Iraq).

This was not unexpected, rather, it was anticipated. We are learning from
it, adapting our strategy and tactics to suit and are dealing with them
whenever we encounter them.

Yeah - we are copping out. See Bush's weekend statements.

You haven't figured out anything. Though your propaganda scheme wouldn't
hurt, the entire muslim world has lived with propaganda being drilled into
them for so many generations that the marginal effectiveness of any
propaganda campaign aimed at them would be questionable. It's probably
marginally worth it, but I doubt anyone would rely on it for substantial
results. The only people they pay any serious heed to are the imams and
nopt the ones bought and paid for with US cash - they can tell the
difference. If you can turn all the imams with broadcast propaganda, more
power to you. But, if you understand who you are broadcasting that
propaganda to, you would know that you will fail miserably.

sigh This is probably true. There are only two ways to get rid of
Islam enmity - (1) make honest friends with them, or (2) murder them
all. Otherwise, we spend eternity fighting with 1,000,000,000 Muslims
who believe us to be the devil incarnate.

You just can't see past the DNC party line, can you? Do you *honestly*
believe that the leadership of the U.S. wants to ahem, "turn America into
a New Rome that will crush everybody, domestic and foreign, who opposes
them"? Is that what you truly, honestly believe? If so, then there is
little to be gained from engaging a nut-case in conversation. You would
belong in the same category of peculiar folks who believe Clinton committed
treason by selling technology to China.

I don't think Bush really knows what he wants for America. but I am
sure he knows what he wants for his millionaire buddies. To him, and
to most pseudo-conservatives, that is the bottom line - business
prospers at any cost...except its own.

I think he is a short-sighted mental midget who values family first,
money second and everything else a distant last. I don't think he is
power-hungry, but I think that while he has it, he is willing to use it
in whatever way he can to achieve these values. I am no seer, but I
predict history will ultimately see him this way.

Bruce Jensen

Well now,I only charge a dollar a question ? It was the cia (formerly
the O.S.S. Office of Sekert Services,that was wayyyy back when they were
good guys) that gave Al-Qaeda (or,Al-Qaida,depending on how you want to
spell it) their"name".I runned out of coffee last night and I had
thought I had bought a plastic jar of Folger's instant coffee when I had
wented to the sto last Saturday,I was in a World of hoit this morning
without my coffee,my joints were aching and everything,so I just now got
back from the sto.I am getting myself woked up good now,I made that
foist cuppa java extra strong.Javaaaaaa,javaaaaaa,java java jing
jing,java java jing jing,java java jing jing jayyyyyy,,,,,,, I heard
Larry Mattlage talking on my radio (top of the hour news) a couple of
hours ago.Vote for Larry Mattlage of Crawford,Texas for President.
cuhulin

I am Independent Conservative.I didn't let the gop down,they let me
down.I do support our Troops (God Bless them) and I support the war on
terrorist and terrorism.Walt Kelly's,Pogo Possum said it best,We Have
Met The Enemy And He Is Us.y'all know how to download Pogo Possum saying
that and those iron on decals for T Shirts y'all can print out on decal
paper y'all can buy at the stores and iron them on there.
cuhulin

I am trying to think whom in fed govt I would trust.(unless he messes
up) Tom Tancredo.I dont even trust Mississippi goobernor haley barbour
and I live in Jackson,Mississippi,Mississippi born n raised.As bad as
Kirk Fordice was,I sort of liked the auld bastid.
cuhulin

A few days ago,I read somewhere on the internet that some Peruvians are
being hired at half price to do some of the jobs in Iraq our U.S.guys
are doing.Such as performing Military Police duties.I forget what the
other jobs the half price Peruvians are going to be doing.Maybe a
www.devilfinder.com search for Half Price Peruvians might turn up
something.
cuhulin

Pray for the U.S.Military Draft to come back.Starting NOW!
cuhulin

On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:19:27 -0500, wrote:

I am trying to think whom in fed govt I would trust.(unless he messes
up) Tom Tancredo.I dont even trust Mississippi goobernor haley barbour
and I live in Jackson,Mississippi,Mississippi born n raised.As bad as
Kirk Fordice was,I sort of liked the auld bastid.
cuhulin

You ARE the Federal Government. That's what Pogo meant.

On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 11:39:41 -0500, wrote:

A few days ago,I read somewhere on the internet that some Peruvians are
being hired at half price to do some of the jobs in Iraq our U.S.guys
are doing.Such as performing Military Police duties.I forget what the
other jobs the half price Peruvians are going to be doing.Maybe a
www.devilfinder.com search for Half Price Peruvians might turn up
something.
cuhulin

It used to be that American companies were in business so that
American people could make a living while the business owners made a
tidy little profit for themselves.

I aint no stinking fed govt.I worked for fed govt for three years when I
was in U.S.Army.I Joined U.S.Army for three yeas,I did my three years in
U.S.Army and I went on back to civilian life.U.S.Military is same same
as communism because everything is provided for you.Still and all,,, I
am happy I served my Country,U.S.A.I would happily do it again too.Clint
Eastwood is fixng to steal a fancy Russky jet in the Firefox movie just
now starting on tv.
cuhulin

Pogo Possum and his little Georgia Swamp buddies had nothing to do with
govt.
cuhulin