New Orleans crisis shames Americans
 

This is the headline from this BBC report
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4210674.stm

I am proud to say that as a little old South African in a third world
country at the Southern tip of darkest Africa we had a devastating flood in
my little town in 2002.
The skies had not even cleared from the raging storm when the air force
choppers arrived in force.
They rescued those in need, brought in emergency personnel and special riot
police to prevent looting.
Although the flood put out water supplies, washed away our connecting roads,
power and sewerage systems, mighty teams of specialists arrived within hours
and all services were restored within 48 hours except the roads that took a
few days longer. The choppers brought in food until the roads were
reconstructed.

I felt very proud to be a South African at that time and was immensely
grateful for the smooth running and super national rescue effort that took
place seemingly so easily, like a well oiled machine.

What happened to mighty America...???
What did the Federal Emergency Management Agency do...???
Heads should roll for this debacle - it is inexcusable in a superpower with
all America's vast resources.
--
John Plimmer, Montagu, Western Cape Province, South Africa
South 33 d 47 m 32 s, East 20 d 07 m 32 s
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Drake SW8 & ERGO software
Sony 7600D GE SRIII
BW XCR 30, Braun T1000, Sangean 818 & 803A.
Hallicrafters SX-100, Eddystone 940
GE circa 50's radiogram
Antenna's RF Systems DX 1 Pro, Datong AD-270
Kiwa MW Loop
http://www.dxing.info/about/dxers/plimmer.dx

John Plimmer wrote:

This is the headline from this BBC report
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4210674.stm

I am proud to say that as a little old South African in a third world
country at the Southern tip of darkest Africa we had a devastating flood in
my little town in 2002.
The skies had not even cleared from the raging storm when the air force
choppers arrived in force.
They rescued those in need, brought in emergency personnel and special riot
police to prevent looting.
Although the flood put out water supplies, washed away our connecting roads,
power and sewerage systems, mighty teams of specialists arrived within hours
and all services were restored within 48 hours except the roads that took a
few days longer. The choppers brought in food until the roads were
reconstructed.

I felt very proud to be a South African at that time and was immensely
grateful for the smooth running and super national rescue effort that took
place seemingly so easily, like a well oiled machine.

What happened to mighty America...???

Well, we're still here... and guess what? You're still in a third world country
that can't take care of it's own problems... do a Google on AIDS or a host of
other problems. And guess where your little third world country has begged in
the past? The USA. Guess where it will continue to beg in the future? The USA.

We'll be OK... I can't really say the same for South Africa.

What did the Federal Emergency Management Agency do...???

Exactly what they're supposed to do, considering the enormity of the problem.

Heads should roll for this debacle - it is inexcusable in a superpower with
all America's vast resources.

I guess we'll have to decide that issue. It certainly won't be up to you or a
third world country like South Africa to decide whether heads should or will
roll.

Have a pleasant evening.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

In article ,
"John Plimmer" wrote:

This is the headline from this BBC report
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4210674.stm

I am proud to say that as a little old South African in a third world
country at the Southern tip of darkest Africa we had a devastating
flood in my little town in 2002. The skies had not even cleared from
the raging storm when the air force choppers arrived in force. They
rescued those in need, brought in emergency personnel and special
riot police to prevent looting. Although the flood put out water
supplies, washed away our connecting roads, power and sewerage
systems, mighty teams of specialists arrived within hours and all
services were restored within 48 hours except the roads that took a
few days longer. The choppers brought in food until the roads were
reconstructed.

I felt very proud to be a South African at that time and was
immensely grateful for the smooth running and super national rescue
effort that took place seemingly so easily, like a well oiled
machine.

What happened to mighty America...??? What did the Federal Emergency
Management Agency do...??? Heads should roll for this debacle - it is
inexcusable in a superpower with all America's vast resources.

I think that basically you fail to grasp the enormity of the situation.
It will take time for enough resources to get there to make a difference.
This is not a little town but a large city with several 100,000's of
people that did not make it out in time. It's going to take years and
billions of dollars to rebuild that city and infrastructure and many
billions more to make sure it does not happen again.

FEMA had supplies in place the day before the hurricane made landfall in
the gulf but getting those supplies in or the people out became a
logistical nightmare with the city flooding. Early rescue attempts by
chopper were thwarted by looting and sniper fire. The city was not under
control of its own police force.

The order of blame in any delayed response should be on the city New
Orleans then the state, which have a first responsibility in the
disaster. The city and the state failed to have situation in hand giving
enough time for a federal response to take place. It's not surprising
that it takes time for large amounts of supplies and personal from other
states to make it there.

I've been listening to the international SW coverage from several
countries and although they convey the severity of the damage it is
hard to get an idea of the scale of the damage.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California

dxAce wrote:

John Plimmer wrote:


This is the headline from this BBC report
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4210674.stm

I am proud to say that as a little old South African in a third world
country at the Southern tip of darkest Africa we had a devastating flood in
my little town in 2002.
The skies had not even cleared from the raging storm when the air force
choppers arrived in force.
They rescued those in need, brought in emergency personnel and special riot
police to prevent looting.
Although the flood put out water supplies, washed away our connecting roads,
power and sewerage systems, mighty teams of specialists arrived within hours
and all services were restored within 48 hours except the roads that took a
few days longer. The choppers brought in food until the roads were
reconstructed.

I felt very proud to be a South African at that time and was immensely
grateful for the smooth running and super national rescue effort that took
place seemingly so easily, like a well oiled machine.

What happened to mighty America...???


Well, we're still here... and guess what? You're still in a third world country
that can't take care of it's own problems... do a Google on AIDS or a host of
other problems. And guess where your little third world country has begged in
the past? The USA. Guess where it will continue to beg in the future? The USA.

We'll be OK... I can't really say the same for South Africa.


What did the Federal Emergency Management Agency do...???


Exactly what they're supposed to do, considering the enormity of the problem.


Heads should roll for this debacle - it is inexcusable in a superpower with
all America's vast resources.


I guess we'll have to decide that issue. It certainly won't be up to you or a
third world country like South Africa to decide whether heads should or will
roll.

Have a pleasant evening.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


The Ace hit it on the money when the subject of "the enormity of the
problem" was brought up. We had the chance of viewing local feeds (not
the network magazine) from the various areas of disaster. The total
affected area by Hurricane Katrina is in the THOUSANDS of square miles
--- not a few hundred.

So, where do you start? What with?

Tough questions to answer when life hangs in the balance.

John

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 01:50:35 GMT, John Steffes
wrote:

dxAce wrote:

John Plimmer wrote:


This is the headline from this BBC report
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4210674.stm

I am proud to say that as a little old South African in a third world
country at the Southern tip of darkest Africa we had a devastating flood in
my little town in 2002.
The skies had not even cleared from the raging storm when the air force
choppers arrived in force.
They rescued those in need, brought in emergency personnel and special riot
police to prevent looting.
Although the flood put out water supplies, washed away our connecting roads,
power and sewerage systems, mighty teams of specialists arrived within hours
and all services were restored within 48 hours except the roads that took a
few days longer. The choppers brought in food until the roads were
reconstructed.

I felt very proud to be a South African at that time and was immensely
grateful for the smooth running and super national rescue effort that took
place seemingly so easily, like a well oiled machine.

What happened to mighty America...???


Well, we're still here... and guess what? You're still in a third world country
that can't take care of it's own problems... do a Google on AIDS or a host of
other problems. And guess where your little third world country has begged in
the past? The USA. Guess where it will continue to beg in the future? The USA.

We'll be OK... I can't really say the same for South Africa.


What did the Federal Emergency Management Agency do...???


Exactly what they're supposed to do, considering the enormity of the problem.


Heads should roll for this debacle - it is inexcusable in a superpower with
all America's vast resources.


I guess we'll have to decide that issue. It certainly won't be up to you or a
third world country like South Africa to decide whether heads should or will
roll.

Have a pleasant evening.

dxAce
Michigan
USA


So, where do you start? What with?


New Orleans is unique due to its lack of gravity assisted drainage.

"John Plimmer" wrote in message
...
This is the headline from this BBC report
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4210674.stm

I am proud to say that as a little old South African in a third world
country at the Southern tip of darkest Africa we had a devastating flood
in
my little town in 2002.
The skies had not even cleared from the raging storm when the air force
choppers arrived in force.
They rescued those in need, brought in emergency personnel and special
riot
police to prevent looting.
Although the flood put out water supplies, washed away our connecting
roads,
power and sewerage systems, mighty teams of specialists arrived within
hours
and all services were restored within 48 hours except the roads that took
a
few days longer. The choppers brought in food until the roads were
reconstructed.

I felt very proud to be a South African at that time and was immensely
grateful for the smooth running and super national rescue effort that took
place seemingly so easily, like a well oiled machine.

What happened to mighty America...???
What did the Federal Emergency Management Agency do...???
Heads should roll for this debacle - it is inexcusable in a superpower
with
all America's vast resources.
--
John Plimmer, Montagu, Western Cape Province, South Africa
South 33 d 47 m 32 s, East 20 d 07 m 32 s
RX Icom IC-756 PRO III with MW mods
Drake SW8 & ERGO software
Sony 7600D GE SRIII
BW XCR 30, Braun T1000, Sangean 818 & 803A.
Hallicrafters SX-100, Eddystone 940
GE circa 50's radiogram
Antenna's RF Systems DX 1 Pro, Datong AD-270
Kiwa MW Loop
http://www.dxing.info/about/dxers/plimmer.dx



So I take it that your country has totally recovered from that grand
disaster called aparthied?

Honus wrote:

"Lou W" wrote in message
news:QftSe.7753$ct5.4897@fed1read04...


So I take it that your country has totally recovered from that grand
disaster called aparthied?


Sort of like how we recovered from the Civil War?



My carpet bagger friends from New York City tell me all is well. Their
newly acquired houses are very nice and left in VERY good condition by
their previous owners. Labour is also dirt cheap, so cotton production
for the northern factories continues unabated and at GREATLY reduced costs.



mike 1870

Dear Mr Plimmer,

I hope that you have paid attention to the words of messers dxAce,
Steffes, Telamon and others. You need to turn your TV set off and give
yourself a break. The media will never tell you the whole story. They
only like to tell the bad.

America will rise up and do everything it needs to in order to ease the
suffering of those unlucky souls who found themselves in the path of
Katrina. Whether the disaster is the handiwork of a group of totally
misguided subhumans from the middle east, or a very unfortunate
collection of weather events which happen from time to time, we will
prevail. The people of America are a kind and benevolant bunch. When
the need arises we dig deep into our pockets and give with a warm
heart. Our motives for giving are true. We realize how fortunate we
are and we give to ease the pain of those who are less fortunate than
ourselves. Our generosity is worldwide and does not stop at our
borders.

Our leaders are Human. They are not wizards who will wave a magic wand
and the problem is gone. As the others on this board has told you,
this is a disaster of the largest proportions. Give those in charge a
chance to show what they are made of. Perhaps as the days go by you
will see that they have done a good job. This my surprise you, but it
will not surprise me.

There is no shame here in America my friend.

Regards,
Bob
N9NEO

Metro area population of greater New Orleans is between about two
million to two and a half million people,normaly.Katrina had an affect
on the population of New Orleans.
cuhulin

About a half hour or so ago,a guy in New Orleans on WWL said they have
eight large portable pumps (I suppose they are great big humongous pumps
that were trucked in and run on diesel engines or whatever) and they are
going to use those pumps to pump out water in some areas where their
main City pumps can pump the water on out of some areas of New Orleans.
cuhulin

New Orleans is the most unique City in the World.
cuhulin

David wrote:



New Orleans is unique due to its lack of gravity assisted drainage.

And you're unique due to your lack of logic assisted thought.

What Shames America is "people" such as m II.
cuhulin

Americans did without a lot of things during World War Two so that y'all
can sit over there and pick on America.You just go look in your mirror
and smile and you be happy.
cuhulin

m II wrote:

Honus wrote:
wrote in message
...

What Shames America is "people" such as m II.


It's hard to see why, since he's a Canadian.

Go look in a mirror.

Mirrors are forbidden by law in Jackson.

Isnt intelligence forbidden by law in CanaDuh?

http://www.negativepositive.org/****-canada.html

dxAce
Michigan
USA

From: dxAce
Organization: Wassamatta U.
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 16:52:24 -0400
Subject: New Orleans crisis shames Americans



John Plimmer wrote:

This is the headline from this BBC report
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4210674.stm

I am proud to say that as a little old South African in a third world
country at the Southern tip of darkest Africa we had a devastating flood in
my little town in 2002.
The skies had not even cleared from the raging storm when the air force
choppers arrived in force.
They rescued those in need, brought in emergency personnel and special riot
police to prevent looting.
Although the flood put out water supplies, washed away our connecting roads,
power and sewerage systems, mighty teams of specialists arrived within hours
and all services were restored within 48 hours except the roads that took a
few days longer. The choppers brought in food until the roads were
reconstructed.

I felt very proud to be a South African at that time and was immensely
grateful for the smooth running and super national rescue effort that took
place seemingly so easily, like a well oiled machine.

What happened to mighty America...???

Well, we're still here... and guess what? You're still in a third world
country
that can't take care of it's own problems... do a Google on AIDS or a host of
other problems. And guess where your little third world country has begged in
the past? The USA. Guess where it will continue to beg in the future? The USA.

We'll be OK... I can't really say the same for South Africa.

What did the Federal Emergency Management Agency do...???

Exactly what they're supposed to do, considering the enormity of the problem.

Heads should roll for this debacle - it is inexcusable in a superpower with
all America's vast resources.

I guess we'll have to decide that issue. It certainly won't be up to you or a
third world country like South Africa to decide whether heads should or will
roll.

Have a pleasant evening.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Um, Jack, you gotta realize that if you criticize our country a lot of
people, like the Drakeman, are going to get ****ed. You're going to catch a
lot of heat. It's the "our country is better than your country" attitude.

The truth is, the enormity of the problem is more than the emergency
agencies had ever planned for and they are still, at this late date, having
trouble getting their arms around it. The lack of leadership, starting with
the president and FEMA head Michael Brown is so appalling that even
conservatives are calling for their heads. The Prez, probably at the urging
of his handlers, cancelled his vacation and flew over the hurricane ravaged
Gulf Coast. After considerable criticism he started making more appearances
on camera with other federal and local officials, with lots of back-slapping
and promises. But relief is slow and sporatic. Michael Brown admitted on a
television interview that he was unaware that 20,000 people had been told to
go to the convention center and wait for help. They were abandodned there
for days without food & water. He said in the interview he would take
immediate action. It was several days before help finally arrived. Michael
Brown belongs in prison. Despite what the right-wing apologists on this NG
might tell you, the truth is if Bush were running for re-election he would
be soundly defeated, as a result of his lack of leadership in this enormous
tragedy as well as dissatisfaction with his handling of the Iraq situation
in the opinion of the majority of Americans.

Brace yourself - gratuitous flaming to follow.

Greg

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 14:57:59 GMT, Greg wrote:



From: dxAce
Organization: Wassamatta U.
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2005 16:52:24 -0400
Subject: New Orleans crisis shames Americans



John Plimmer wrote:

This is the headline from this BBC report
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4210674.stm

I am proud to say that as a little old South African in a third world
country at the Southern tip of darkest Africa we had a devastating flood in
my little town in 2002.
The skies had not even cleared from the raging storm when the air force
choppers arrived in force.
They rescued those in need, brought in emergency personnel and special riot
police to prevent looting.
Although the flood put out water supplies, washed away our connecting roads,
power and sewerage systems, mighty teams of specialists arrived within hours
and all services were restored within 48 hours except the roads that took a
few days longer. The choppers brought in food until the roads were
reconstructed.

I felt very proud to be a South African at that time and was immensely
grateful for the smooth running and super national rescue effort that took
place seemingly so easily, like a well oiled machine.

What happened to mighty America...???

Well, we're still here... and guess what? You're still in a third world
country
that can't take care of it's own problems... do a Google on AIDS or a host of
other problems. And guess where your little third world country has begged in
the past? The USA. Guess where it will continue to beg in the future? The USA.

We'll be OK... I can't really say the same for South Africa.

What did the Federal Emergency Management Agency do...???

Exactly what they're supposed to do, considering the enormity of the problem.

Heads should roll for this debacle - it is inexcusable in a superpower with
all America's vast resources.

I guess we'll have to decide that issue. It certainly won't be up to you or a
third world country like South Africa to decide whether heads should or will
roll.

Have a pleasant evening.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Um, Jack, you gotta realize that if you criticize our country a lot of
people, like the Drakeman, are going to get ****ed. You're going to catch a
lot of heat. It's the "our country is better than your country" attitude.

The truth is, the enormity of the problem is more than the emergency
agencies had ever planned for and they are still, at this late date, having
trouble getting their arms around it. The lack of leadership, starting with
the president and FEMA head Michael Brown is so appalling that even
conservatives are calling for their heads. The Prez, probably at the urging
of his handlers, cancelled his vacation and flew over the hurricane ravaged
Gulf Coast. After considerable criticism he started making more appearances
on camera with other federal and local officials, with lots of back-slapping
and promises. But relief is slow and sporatic. Michael Brown admitted on a
television interview that he was unaware that 20,000 people had been told to
go to the convention center and wait for help. They were abandodned there
for days without food & water. He said in the interview he would take
immediate action. It was several days before help finally arrived. Michael
Brown belongs in prison. Despite what the right-wing apologists on this NG
might tell you, the truth is if Bush were running for re-election he would
be soundly defeated, as a result of his lack of leadership in this enormous
tragedy as well as dissatisfaction with his handling of the Iraq situation
in the opinion of the majority of Americans.

Brace yourself - gratuitous flaming to follow.

Greg



Nobody is calling for anybody's head except that dumb ass mayor in New
Orleans. Truth be told, the actual problem is the mayor's lack of
preparation. Everybody wants to point their finger at the federal
government. What New Orleans residents need to do is take a long look
at themselves. There they might find the root of their problem.

On a side note, I love where Celine Dion donated one million dollars
and the proceeded to bash the US government. Nothing like using your
heart felt donation to bash the war in Iraq. You might not agree with
the war but you should at least separate the two. It was a typical
stupid canuck ploy. The kind we are used to here on RRS.

dxAce wrote:

Isnt intelligence forbidden by law in CanaDuh?

As long as we have *you* as reference, the world will never notice. Are
you going cadaver hunting with Beerfart this weekend? He's pumped.





mike

From: Beerbarrel
Organization: Cox Communications
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 11:11:09 -0400
Subject: New Orleans crisis shames Americans

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 14:57:59 GMT, Greg wrote:
(snip)
Nobody is calling for anybody's head except that dumb ass mayor in New
Orleans. Truth be told, the actual problem is the mayor's lack of
preparation.
(snip)

Oh yeah? You obviously didn't catch Cigar Dave yesterday (12:00 noon EDT,
970am, Tampa)! He's a conservative, Republican, Bush supporter who was so
hot with criticism he was lit at both ends.

Seriously, a common theme I'm hearing on conservative radio talk shows, as
well as the opinion mongers n the "liberal" mainstream media is that FEMA,
Homeland Security, and everyone up the food chain to POTUS his-very-self,
are ill-prepared and slow to react. This bodes ill for any more
catastrophes, natural or terrorist-made, in the future. I agree with that
assessment.

Greg

m II wrote:

dxAce wrote:

Isnt intelligence forbidden by law in CanaDuh?

As long as we have *you* as reference, the world will never notice. Are
you going cadaver hunting with Beerfart this weekend? He's pumped.

Only if it's yours, 'tard boy. We'd do that just so as to kick your ass one last
time.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

I saw some people on tv and I heard some people on some local Jackson
radio stations who said,if bush was running for relection now,there is
no d..n way in hell they would vote for him! and neither would I.I have
an email from Tex Houston www.ranchgazette.com in the Crawford,Texas
or Midland,Texas area.The email dates back to about 2002. (I think,I
would have to dig it up and check it,I sent it to one of my other webtv
user names for storage) It is a short email from Tex Houston and part of
his email to me pertains to the fact most of the people in the
Crawford,Texas area are disapointed with bush.Look,I didn't quit the
GOP,the d..n GOP QUIT me!
cuhulin

This is the headline from this BBC report
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4210674.stm

I am proud to say that as a little old South African in a third world
country at the Southern tip of darkest Africa we had a devastating flood in
my little town in 2002.
The skies had not even cleared from the raging storm when the air force
choppers arrived in force.
They rescued those in need, brought in emergency personnel and special riot
police to prevent looting.
Although the flood put out water supplies, washed away our connecting roads,
power and sewerage systems, mighty teams of specialists arrived within hours
and all services were restored within 48 hours except the roads that took a
few days longer. The choppers brought in food until the roads were
reconstructed.

I felt very proud to be a South African at that time and was immensely
grateful for the smooth running and super national rescue effort that took
place seemingly so easily, like a well oiled machine.

What happened to mighty America...???
What did the Federal Emergency Management Agency do...???
Heads should roll for this debacle - it is inexcusable in a superpower with
all America's vast resources.

Hello, John --

I always enjoy your radio-related posts. I'm a little surprised to see
this post from you.

Of course, everyone in America is asking the question, "How could this
possibly have happened?" This precise eventuality has been discussed
widely in the last few years. When a more-active-than-usual hurricane
season was forecast for this year, there was lots of discussion of New
Orleans' exposed southeast flank -- there's levee protection from the
lake and the river, but no levees to stop a tidal surge from the ocean.
The proposed solution was to build an immense network of levees to the
southeast of the city, to complete the ring all the way around.

In the end, that wouldn't have helped, because it was the failure of an
existing levee that caused the problem. It wasn't the direct effect of
the hurricane -- the city actually did pretty well with that. But when
the levees broke, all bets were off.

There should have been a better contingency plan for the levees
breaking, sure -- but, let me ask you -- do levees ever break
unexpectedly in South Africa? Are all of your public works projects
flawless after being in existence for well over a hundred years? Can SA
spend billions to build levees which have a one-in-a-thousand chance of
ever being needed?

Also, John, when floods hit small towns in America, the rescue and aid
efforts are well-oiled and take place easily. It happens yearly, and
we're very proud of the efforts of all of our rescuers, both government
and private. I'm happy that it's the same for you in South Africa. How
about you report back to us after a South African city with a population
of 1.3 million, located in a basin 6 feet below sea level, and with few
ingress or egress routes, is suddenly submerged under 10-20 feet of
water, with no immediate way to pump it out? Oh, and it has to happen
immediately after a hurricane which knocks out all power and destroys
many of the already-limited ingress and egress routes. Let's compare
notes then.

I wouldn't want to live downstream from a dam,that is Sure.
cuhulin

www.devilfinder.com Johnstown Pennsylvania Dam Burst.
cuhulin

In article ,
Greg wrote:
Oh yeah? You obviously didn't catch Cigar Dave yesterday (12:00 noon EDT,
970am, Tampa)! He's a conservative, Republican, Bush supporter who was so
hot with criticism he was lit at both ends.

Seriously, a common theme I'm hearing on conservative radio talk shows, as
well as the opinion mongers n the "liberal" mainstream media is that FEMA,
Homeland Security, and everyone up the food chain to POTUS his-very-self,
are ill-prepared and slow to react. This bodes ill for any more
catastrophes, natural or terrorist-made, in the future.

I've got a couple of questions?

1. How exaggerated was the TV coverage of the sniping?
How many incidents, and what areas were actually effected?

2. Did the media coveage cause the FEMA executives to shut down
access to New Orleans on the grounds of safety? If not safety,
why? And why where highway style busses needed to evacuate
the Superdome? Wouldn't a "Dunkirk with Dumptrucks" have worked
several days earlier? (Who go the contract to provide the busses?)

3. Would a lot of this not have happened this way if federal
bureaucrats were banned from watching any 24 hour cable news
channels?

CNN lost all credibilty with me during the coverage of the First Gulf War
that the local TV stations were rebroadcasting. Sloppy, overdramatic,
inaccurate, and STUPID. And to get FOX news, just add a large factor
of blatant lying and partisan propaganda. They're not news, they're a
form of "Reality TV" where the news editors and meat puppets out in the
field are making up a "story" to add drama to real events.

Mark Zenier
Googleproofaddress(account:mzenier provider:eskimo domain:com)

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 14:57:59 GMT, Greg wrote:


Michael Brown admitted on a
television interview that he was unaware that 20,000 people had been told to
go to the convention center and wait for help. They were abandodned there
for days without food & water. He said in the interview he would take
immediate action. It was several days before help finally arrived. Michael
Brown belongs in prison. Despite what the right-wing apologists on this NG
might tell you, the truth is if Bush were running for re-election he would
be soundly defeated, as a result of his lack of leadership in this enormous
tragedy as well as dissatisfaction with his handling of the Iraq situation
in the opinion of the majority of Americans.

Brace yourself - gratuitous flaming to follow.

Greg

This is what happens when you put a PR director from the Arabian Horse
Breeder's Association in charge of disaster preparation.

While Americans were drowning in Louisiana, Bush was mugging for the
press in San Diego, completely oblivious to the gravity of the
situation. He is disconnected. But even worse, his handlers are
disconeected.

To add insult to injury, Ms. Rice refused to cut short her New York
shopping adventure.

''The haves...and the have mores.''.

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 16:18:47 GMT, Greg wrote:



From: Beerbarrel
Organization: Cox Communications
Newsgroups: rec.radio.shortwave
Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 11:11:09 -0400
Subject: New Orleans crisis shames Americans

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 14:57:59 GMT, Greg wrote:
(snip)
Nobody is calling for anybody's head except that dumb ass mayor in New
Orleans. Truth be told, the actual problem is the mayor's lack of
preparation.
(snip)

Oh yeah? You obviously didn't catch Cigar Dave yesterday (12:00 noon EDT,
970am, Tampa)! He's a conservative, Republican, Bush supporter who was so
hot with criticism he was lit at both ends.

Seriously, a common theme I'm hearing on conservative radio talk shows, as
well as the opinion mongers n the "liberal" mainstream media is that FEMA,
Homeland Security, and everyone up the food chain to POTUS his-very-self,
are ill-prepared and slow to react. This bodes ill for any more
catastrophes, natural or terrorist-made, in the future. I agree with that
assessment.

Greg


Truth is I ignore most of the stuff I hear. I do think that people are
way to quick to assess blame. It seems to me that the Mayor and
Governor could have helped prevent some of the tragedies. Don't you
think people need to start helping themselves and quit depending on a
government handout?

I then hear what dion says and I've really got to laugh. She can sing
but she sure can't think. She makes it sound like going to war happens
in a few short minutes. She does not realize that it was months and
months in the planning stages. I think the what has happened in a mere
week is truly a miracle. Can you imagine the logistics involved in the
relief effort?

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 21:05:42 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:



Meanwhile, the left's favorite son is hamming it up with the source of one
of his many "character flaws":
http://news.yahoo.com/photos/ss/even...03dinosfossils

-=jd=-
So, as long as there is an equivalent absurdity on the left, we should
the right a pass?

I say run them all out of town. The way I see it, it's the Reality
Based Community vs The Uptight Bubble People.

While Americans were drowning in Louisiana, Bush was mugging for
the press in San Diego, completely oblivious to the gravity of the
situation. He is disconnected. But even worse, his handlers are
disconeected.

To add insult to injury, Ms. Rice refused to cut short her New York
shopping adventure.


-=jd=- wrote:

Meanwhile, the left's favorite son is hamming it up with the source
of one of his many "character flaws":

-=jd=-

Methinks you're obfuscating the point again...

W and Condi are *still in power* and should therefore be on the job,
while Slick Willy is ultimately a civilian on his own time who can be
sucking as many soggy cigars as he wants. Sorry, your "point"...isn't.

On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 12:30:58 -0400, dxAce
wrote:



m II wrote:

dxAce wrote:

Isnt intelligence forbidden by law in CanaDuh?

As long as we have *you* as reference, the world will never notice. Are
you going cadaver hunting with Beerfart this weekend? He's pumped.

Only if it's yours, 'tard boy. We'd do that just so as to kick your ass one last
time.

dxAce
Michigan
USA



How far north did the Katrina effect? I saw someone's mom floatin down
the mighty Mississippi!

condi (bush's girlfriend) did spamalot and did shopping.bush's
girlfriend (condi) probally has more expensive shoes now than Amelda
ever had.
cuhulin

You used that "focused" cuss word,jd.
cuhulin

Bottom line...volunteer work not withstanding, he is still a *civilian*;
they ain't.

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 01:50:37 GMT, Carter-K8VT
wrote:

Bottom line...volunteer work not withstanding, he is still a *civilian*;
they ain't.


Yes...they are.

www.sundayherald.com/51631 I guess I was mistaken about no
looting,(and killing) if any,going on in Mississippi Gulf Coast
areas,sad to say.Article says news about that is not being reported to
avoid panic.Well,I am reporting it right now.
cuhulin

Lights (electric power) are begining to flick back on in New
Orleans,according to top of the hour news on WWL 870.Bozo,(Dale Sommers)
www.tuckinbozo.com You are mistaken,New Orleans is coming back!
cuhulin

You're reading waaay too much into this...let me try to summarize:

1) The *original* poster made the comment that W and Condi were gadding
about.

2) *You* then posted that Slick Willy was gadding about.

3) *I* then posted that your comment about Slick Willy was not germane
to the conversation because he, by virtue of being a plain citizen, is
in charge of nothing.

-=jd=- wrote:

Then what's your point?

My point is that your comment about Slick Willy was a non sequitur.

Simple. Nothing more, nothing less. Get it now?

David wrote:

On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 02:00:54 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:

On Sun 04 Sep 2005 09:50:37p, Carter-K8VT wrote in
message :

Bottom line...volunteer work not withstanding, he is still a *civilian*;
they ain't.


Then what's your point? That Bush and Rice weren't covering their
responsibilities? If so, point them out.
Their handlers were obviously on Vacation.

Your brain has been out to lunch, 'tard boy.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

Looks like John Plimmer resident of what was longest running Plantation
Slave State must be nothing more than a troll. Tell me John, how many
slaves did you employ in the good old days.

I would be willing to bet that your country would be hard pressed to
respond to a disaster of the magnitude that hit New Orleans. And I'll
bet wou would not have near the resources to plow into it that the U.S.
has sent south. Gosh John, tell me would the larger richer cities of
South Africa open their doors and pocketbooks to a million largely poor
under-educated people?

Would they John????????

Dunkirk was a disaster.In some ways,it probally would have been another
"Dunkirk".
cuhulin