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cuhu...@ wrote:

Someday,there will be underwater Cities under the Seas/Oceans.We will
have Bases on the Moon and on Mars.Are they idiots,there are people
right now living in the International Space Station? Are the people in
the Nederlands and Venis,Italy and Mexico City,Mexico and people who
live downstream from big Dams idiots?
cuhulin
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Holland has 2 major cities below sea level. Amsterdam and
Roterdam.
One big difference is that Holland doesn't have huricanes.
Another is the moral and work ethics of the people.
Talked today via Email to a Dutch SWLer who lurks in this group
and he pointed out that while the Dutch government has it's share
of idiots, unlike LA general and New Orleans in specific, thier
politicians are pretty clean (cooruption wise) and also rather
competent.
The Dutch have evacuation plans and FORCE residents to participate.

How does one force them to participate? Hold a gun to their head?


When a breach occurs the Dutch will likely do pretty well. They have
lived below the sea for ~400 years and have learned the hard way that
you have to think things out, make effective plans and execute them
when something bad happens. IF NEw Orleans was 1/10 as orgnaised as
teh Dtuch, there would have been no problem.

My understanding is that their levee system is much large in scope, and that
the districts surrounded by levees are smaller, thus limiting losses.


As to lving below a damn, yea that is pretty damn dumb. The Mulholland
impoundment failed in Californica and it killed several hundred back in
the 1930's or so. US damndsby and by are well built and fairly safe.
But
last spring, in Californica again, a city had to be evaucuated because
heavy rainfall had causeed the empoundment to rise threatening to
crest the damn. They got the water edown, wiht no major trouble, but
it was scarey for a while.

As to cities on the moon,or other hostile planets, I doubt that will
happen for a while. With todays technology only the truely dedicated
and brave will live in a "space statio" or even fly on the shuttle. OK
strike brave because if NASA called me tonight and asked me to take
a SW receiver up in the shultte and study ionosphreic RF leakage.

Many in this group doubt your wisdom, but tell us, do you live BELOW
sea level? With 800K other poeple? In an area with too few roads in
and out? Do you have enough water and food on hand to get by the few
days needed unti outside help could arrive?

As to Venis (did you really mean Venice?), I have been there and yea
they are idiots. To live in a poop filled city,the order is there, that
is
sinking every year, only the really stupid live there. The only thing
it
has is some wonderfull art.

Mexico City risks? Other then being the capital of a hostile nation,
run by poeple that make New Orleans look like a honor brain trust.
And the corruption makes New Orleans cops look like BoyScouts.
My friends who were raised there all speak of how vile and ugly
Mexico City is. So for an Anglo to live there, yea would be pretty
damn stupid.

Terry

FDR wrote:

How does one force them to participate? Hold a gun to their head?


My understanding is that their levee system is much large in scope, and
that
the districts surrounded by levees are smaller, thus limiting losses.

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?Fines if they don't? I will try to find out. Perhaps if you don't and
you
get stuck you ar left to fend for yourself.

And yes, that is the POINT.
IF you are going ot lvie below see level, you had really, really, and I
mean really think it through. New Orleans just happened. All too little
planning. The Dutch knew they were recovering land from the sea.
New Orleans just kind of slipped beneth sea level with way too little
attention. Yes Holland has "thrown" a lot more money, but it was
a cost benifit thing. They got many benifits, IE 40% of their land,
from the sea. New Orleans was one large aparty barge or whore house.
Not too valuable and no one rally thought about ht esex workers. Bad
anology, but I will stand by it. New Orleans was a transhippment,
ports, rail nexus, pipes etc and NO ONE thoght of the city it self
having
any real value.
And it didn't

History?
In the first 4 years it was DESTROYED 3 times by hurincanes. Then for
200+ years yellow fevor and Typhoid stalked the land killing, by one
reffernce, 40K a year. I want to research that figure, but one of my
many
history books give 40K.

So please forgive me if I no longer bleed purple over this event.
Too much whining and bithcing by the truely lame about events
thier action, or inaction casued.

Floods are a LOCAL issue. In Dayton OH the 1932(or 33?) floods
where bad. The locals built their own system of levees and redirected
the Little Miami river. It costs each perowsn(or household) about a $1
per year.

If they wanted higher levees then THEY should have built them.
If they needed more pumps, with a better backup power system,
then THEY should have build them. Because they did nothing they
got the screwing they deserved and many died. I am willing to bet that
when this is all over more will have died as the direct result of
violence
from other locals then from the waters.

In any event I have stopped feelling much sympathy for New Orleans, or
the many who suffered and died. They took no action and reaped what
they sowed, or not so to speak.

It is like people out west who want to live amoung the pretty trees.
And
when forrest fire comes along they act so damned shocked. Call me a
cynic but the government helping by rebuilding will only insure this
happens again. Until FEMA stopped rebuilding homes along the
Mississippi and other river, flood planes people just kept getting
washed
out year after year.

Move the damn city or live with the certaintity that you will get
nailed by the next cat 4 or 5 huricane that comes along.

Terry

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FDR wrote:

How does one force them to participate? Hold a gun to their head?


My understanding is that their levee system is much large in scope, and
that
the districts surrounded by levees are smaller, thus limiting losses.

-------------------------
?Fines if they don't? I will try to find out. Perhaps if you don't and
you
get stuck you ar left to fend for yourself.

And yes, that is the POINT.
IF you are going ot lvie below see level, you had really, really, and I
mean really think it through. New Orleans just happened. All too little
planning. The Dutch knew they were recovering land from the sea.
New Orleans just kind of slipped beneth sea level with way too little
attention. Yes Holland has "thrown" a lot more money, but it was
a cost benifit thing. They got many benifits, IE 40% of their land,
from the sea. New Orleans was one large aparty barge or whore house.
Not too valuable and no one rally thought about ht esex workers. Bad
anology, but I will stand by it. New Orleans was a transhippment,
ports, rail nexus, pipes etc and NO ONE thoght of the city it self
having
any real value.
And it didn't

History?
In the first 4 years it was DESTROYED 3 times by hurincanes. Then for
200+ years yellow fevor and Typhoid stalked the land killing, by one
reffernce, 40K a year. I want to research that figure, but one of my
many
history books give 40K.

So please forgive me if I no longer bleed purple over this event.
Too much whining and bithcing by the truely lame about events
thier action, or inaction casued.

Yeah, **** those people. Too bad they didn't all die, then we wouldn't have
to rebuild. Maybe we could just force them back there and drown them for
good. They were poor people, no one would notice.


Floods are a LOCAL issue.

Exactly. It's time the Federal government got rid of this FEMA thing. It
doesn't work and costs us a lot of money. Next time they should just drop
shotguns to the "suvivors" and let them shoot it out until they kill
everyone.

In Dayton OH the 1932(or 33?) floods
where bad. The locals built their own system of levees and redirected
the Little Miami river. It costs each perowsn(or household) about a $1
per year.

If they wanted higher levees then THEY should have built them.
If they needed more pumps, with a better backup power system,
then THEY should have build them. Because they did nothing they
got the screwing they deserved and many died. I am willing to bet that
when this is all over more will have died as the direct result of
violence
from other locals then from the waters.

Yeah! And if they get attacked by a nuclear warhead from China, it's their
own damn fault they didn't install a anti-ballistic missile system to save
themselves!


In any event I have stopped feelling much sympathy for New Orleans, or
the many who suffered and died. They took no action and reaped what
they sowed, or not so to speak.

Hey, let's get together some weekend and go stomp on their graves. I'll
bring a couple of six packs and Ted Nugent albums.


It is like people out west who want to live amoung the pretty trees.
And
when forrest fire comes along they act so damned shocked. Call me a
cynic but the government helping by rebuilding will only insure this
happens again.

I blame the government for buying the land west of the Mississippi in the
first place. There's too much upkeep.

Until FEMA stopped rebuilding homes along the
Mississippi and other river, flood planes people just kept getting
washed
out year after year.

And if people would just stop having damn babies we wouldn't have to wrooy
about more deaths too.


Move the damn city or live with the certaintity that you will get
nailed by the next cat 4 or 5 huricane that comes along.

Terry

Holland is not a Country.Holland is a part (State,or whatever they call
it over there) of Nederlands.Same as Louisiana is a State in
America.Made in Holland,the woman at the Goodwill store said when she
turned that little piece of brickabat over and looked at it.I tried to
tell her Holland is not a Country.No,no.no,she said,Holland is a
Country! Ok,babe,have it your way.
cuhulin

You think New Orleans and the parts in the South that got torn up dont
have any real value? Let me tell you,we are all fixin to going to find
out,BIG TIME.
cuhulin