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![]() wrote in message oups.com... cuhu...@ wrote: Someday,there will be underwater Cities under the Seas/Oceans.We will have Bases on the Moon and on Mars.Are they idiots,there are people right now living in the International Space Station? Are the people in the Nederlands and Venis,Italy and Mexico City,Mexico and people who live downstream from big Dams idiots? cuhulin ------------------------ Holland has 2 major cities below sea level. Amsterdam and Roterdam. One big difference is that Holland doesn't have huricanes. Another is the moral and work ethics of the people. Talked today via Email to a Dutch SWLer who lurks in this group and he pointed out that while the Dutch government has it's share of idiots, unlike LA general and New Orleans in specific, thier politicians are pretty clean (cooruption wise) and also rather competent. The Dutch have evacuation plans and FORCE residents to participate. How does one force them to participate? Hold a gun to their head? When a breach occurs the Dutch will likely do pretty well. They have lived below the sea for ~400 years and have learned the hard way that you have to think things out, make effective plans and execute them when something bad happens. IF NEw Orleans was 1/10 as orgnaised as teh Dtuch, there would have been no problem. My understanding is that their levee system is much large in scope, and that the districts surrounded by levees are smaller, thus limiting losses. As to lving below a damn, yea that is pretty damn dumb. The Mulholland impoundment failed in Californica and it killed several hundred back in the 1930's or so. US damndsby and by are well built and fairly safe. But last spring, in Californica again, a city had to be evaucuated because heavy rainfall had causeed the empoundment to rise threatening to crest the damn. They got the water edown, wiht no major trouble, but it was scarey for a while. As to cities on the moon,or other hostile planets, I doubt that will happen for a while. With todays technology only the truely dedicated and brave will live in a "space statio" or even fly on the shuttle. OK strike brave because if NASA called me tonight and asked me to take a SW receiver up in the shultte and study ionosphreic RF leakage. Many in this group doubt your wisdom, but tell us, do you live BELOW sea level? With 800K other poeple? In an area with too few roads in and out? Do you have enough water and food on hand to get by the few days needed unti outside help could arrive? As to Venis (did you really mean Venice?), I have been there and yea they are idiots. To live in a poop filled city,the order is there, that is sinking every year, only the really stupid live there. The only thing it has is some wonderfull art. Mexico City risks? Other then being the capital of a hostile nation, run by poeple that make New Orleans look like a honor brain trust. And the corruption makes New Orleans cops look like BoyScouts. My friends who were raised there all speak of how vile and ugly Mexico City is. So for an Anglo to live there, yea would be pretty damn stupid. Terry |
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FDR wrote:
How does one force them to participate? Hold a gun to their head? My understanding is that their levee system is much large in scope, and that the districts surrounded by levees are smaller, thus limiting losses. ------------------------- ?Fines if they don't? I will try to find out. Perhaps if you don't and you get stuck you ar left to fend for yourself. And yes, that is the POINT. IF you are going ot lvie below see level, you had really, really, and I mean really think it through. New Orleans just happened. All too little planning. The Dutch knew they were recovering land from the sea. New Orleans just kind of slipped beneth sea level with way too little attention. Yes Holland has "thrown" a lot more money, but it was a cost benifit thing. They got many benifits, IE 40% of their land, from the sea. New Orleans was one large aparty barge or whore house. Not too valuable and no one rally thought about ht esex workers. Bad anology, but I will stand by it. New Orleans was a transhippment, ports, rail nexus, pipes etc and NO ONE thoght of the city it self having any real value. And it didn't History? In the first 4 years it was DESTROYED 3 times by hurincanes. Then for 200+ years yellow fevor and Typhoid stalked the land killing, by one reffernce, 40K a year. I want to research that figure, but one of my many history books give 40K. So please forgive me if I no longer bleed purple over this event. Too much whining and bithcing by the truely lame about events thier action, or inaction casued. Floods are a LOCAL issue. In Dayton OH the 1932(or 33?) floods where bad. The locals built their own system of levees and redirected the Little Miami river. It costs each perowsn(or household) about a $1 per year. If they wanted higher levees then THEY should have built them. If they needed more pumps, with a better backup power system, then THEY should have build them. Because they did nothing they got the screwing they deserved and many died. I am willing to bet that when this is all over more will have died as the direct result of violence from other locals then from the waters. In any event I have stopped feelling much sympathy for New Orleans, or the many who suffered and died. They took no action and reaped what they sowed, or not so to speak. It is like people out west who want to live amoung the pretty trees. And when forrest fire comes along they act so damned shocked. Call me a cynic but the government helping by rebuilding will only insure this happens again. Until FEMA stopped rebuilding homes along the Mississippi and other river, flood planes people just kept getting washed out year after year. Move the damn city or live with the certaintity that you will get nailed by the next cat 4 or 5 huricane that comes along. Terry |
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![]() wrote in message oups.com... FDR wrote: How does one force them to participate? Hold a gun to their head? My understanding is that their levee system is much large in scope, and that the districts surrounded by levees are smaller, thus limiting losses. ------------------------- ?Fines if they don't? I will try to find out. Perhaps if you don't and you get stuck you ar left to fend for yourself. And yes, that is the POINT. IF you are going ot lvie below see level, you had really, really, and I mean really think it through. New Orleans just happened. All too little planning. The Dutch knew they were recovering land from the sea. New Orleans just kind of slipped beneth sea level with way too little attention. Yes Holland has "thrown" a lot more money, but it was a cost benifit thing. They got many benifits, IE 40% of their land, from the sea. New Orleans was one large aparty barge or whore house. Not too valuable and no one rally thought about ht esex workers. Bad anology, but I will stand by it. New Orleans was a transhippment, ports, rail nexus, pipes etc and NO ONE thoght of the city it self having any real value. And it didn't History? In the first 4 years it was DESTROYED 3 times by hurincanes. Then for 200+ years yellow fevor and Typhoid stalked the land killing, by one reffernce, 40K a year. I want to research that figure, but one of my many history books give 40K. So please forgive me if I no longer bleed purple over this event. Too much whining and bithcing by the truely lame about events thier action, or inaction casued. Yeah, **** those people. Too bad they didn't all die, then we wouldn't have to rebuild. Maybe we could just force them back there and drown them for good. They were poor people, no one would notice. Floods are a LOCAL issue. Exactly. It's time the Federal government got rid of this FEMA thing. It doesn't work and costs us a lot of money. Next time they should just drop shotguns to the "suvivors" and let them shoot it out until they kill everyone. In Dayton OH the 1932(or 33?) floods where bad. The locals built their own system of levees and redirected the Little Miami river. It costs each perowsn(or household) about a $1 per year. If they wanted higher levees then THEY should have built them. If they needed more pumps, with a better backup power system, then THEY should have build them. Because they did nothing they got the screwing they deserved and many died. I am willing to bet that when this is all over more will have died as the direct result of violence from other locals then from the waters. Yeah! And if they get attacked by a nuclear warhead from China, it's their own damn fault they didn't install a anti-ballistic missile system to save themselves! In any event I have stopped feelling much sympathy for New Orleans, or the many who suffered and died. They took no action and reaped what they sowed, or not so to speak. Hey, let's get together some weekend and go stomp on their graves. I'll bring a couple of six packs and Ted Nugent albums. It is like people out west who want to live amoung the pretty trees. And when forrest fire comes along they act so damned shocked. Call me a cynic but the government helping by rebuilding will only insure this happens again. I blame the government for buying the land west of the Mississippi in the first place. There's too much upkeep. Until FEMA stopped rebuilding homes along the Mississippi and other river, flood planes people just kept getting washed out year after year. And if people would just stop having damn babies we wouldn't have to wrooy about more deaths too. Move the damn city or live with the certaintity that you will get nailed by the next cat 4 or 5 huricane that comes along. Terry |
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Holland is not a Country.Holland is a part (State,or whatever they call
it over there) of Nederlands.Same as Louisiana is a State in America.Made in Holland,the woman at the Goodwill store said when she turned that little piece of brickabat over and looked at it.I tried to tell her Holland is not a Country.No,no.no,she said,Holland is a Country! Ok,babe,have it your way. cuhulin |
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You think New Orleans and the parts in the South that got torn up dont
have any real value? Let me tell you,we are all fixin to going to find out,BIG TIME. cuhulin |
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