Yeah,I have heard that gas station joke before,,, and the customer got a
receipt for the gas.
Start growing Soybeans,Diesel engines run great on Soybean oil.The old
Robert Mitchum movie,Cape Fear,is just now starting on tv.Next up,The
Big Steal,His Kind of Woman,and then I have to get my beauty sleep when
His Kind of Woman movie is over.
cuhulin

Most ethanol in Australia is made from starch, which in turn comes from
wheat. In other words, this is a plan to run our cars on food when half
the world is starving.


Ethanol not the answer: Kohler


ALAN KOHLER: I must be missing something with ethanol. This week, the
Prime Minister, Mr Howard, put Australia's oil companies in a room and
wouldn't let them out until they agreed that his target of 350
megalitres of ethanol production by 2010 was achievable. They didn't
commit to it but they agreed it could be done.


Most ethanol in Australia is made from starch, which in turn comes from
wheat. In other words, this is a plan to run our cars on food when half
the world is starving. Ethanol costs more to make than petrol, so it
needs subsidies from the Government estimated at $118 million a year.


The wheat is brought to Nowra from western NSW by trucks that burn
diesel. It's then put through an eight-stage process that uses steam at
each stage. The steam is generated by burning coal.


The report of the government task force on biofuels is equivocal, to
say the least, about the environmental and cost benefits of ethanol. It
says the principal benefit of the policy is regional development - not
just a benefit but the main one. That's because a new plant has to be
built, providing 648 jobs. It will use grain and molasses as feed stock
- more food in the fuel tank.


Not mentioned in the report is the name Dick Honan, the main
beneficiary of this policy. His company, Manildra, produces all the
ethanol in Nowra and will make millions from increasing output to 350
megalitres a year. He also seems to be a prime ministerial friend and a
big donor to the Liberal Party. Maybe that's what I'm missing.
Kohler

U.S.A.gives the World billions of tons of food every year.Some of those
poor people never see that food.Crooked govts sell that food or use it
for barter/trade.Hands Across The Sea.
cuhulin
(fema,, what happened to that Ice?)

I used to email chat with a gal in Stockton,New South Wales,Australia
about four years ago.Tamara,you out there,Sweetheart?
cuhulin

maybe we motorists should take a look at fully electric type cars, and
not be hostage to the world greedy petrol companies.
The solution to rising petrol prices is - DON'T USE IT !!
by Tom Slick


The solution to sky rocketing petrol prices is not to use petrol
powered vehicles. However tax addicted governments may not like it and
the oil suppliers will certainly not like it if we'd all stop running
to the bowsers to fill up and get ripped off!!. Well tough luck, people
are sick and tired of the BS fed to them by Governments and the OIL
industries.... Even the commercial media are loath to talk about
alternate vehicle technologies that have been available for ages but
suppressed by the powers to be. Things are about to change though as
the following article explains....

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DontCrush.com Announces Toyota Victory, Launches Plug In Americaâ?¢
Former CIA Director joins auto engineers and advocates to encourage
automakers to produce petroleum-free, pollution-free cars

Los Angeles â?? In an international telephone press conference today
DontCrush.com, lauded Toyotaâ??s recent decision to keep its
zero-emission, battery-electric RAV 4 SUVs on the road. Joined by a
former CIA-director, an ex-GM employee, an EV engineer, and the
Southern California Edison Electric Transportation director,
DontCrush.com is declaring a victory in its efforts to save
Americaâ??s last remaining petroleum-free, pollution-free vehicles.

DontCrush.comâ??s success in saving Toyotaâ??s RAV4 EV, the Ford
Th!nk City EV and Ford Ranger EV from the crusher while bringing
national attention to
General Motorsâ?? decision to destroy its popular EV1s, have inspired
the group to help America move towards an oil-independent future with
Plug In Americaâ?¢, a new advocacy organization launched today. The
organization will work with industry, environmental and national
security organizations, and concerned citizens to revive plug-in auto
production and give Americans the freedom to choose cars, trucks, and
SUVs that are powered by cleaner, cheaper, domestic sources of energy.

Following a three-month campaign, Toyota agreed to stop crushing its
RAV4 EV, and allow satisfied customers to lease or buy their
zero-emission SUVs. Electric vehicle advocates, long dismissed as
â??fanaticsâ?? or â??hobbyistsâ?? by automakers, are in fact
speaking for the majority of Americans concerned about national
security, public health, rising gas prices, and global warming. A
recent Reuters survey found that most Americans believe it is patriotic
to buy a fuel-efficient vehicle to help reduce American dependency on
foreign oil. Nearly no oil is used for making electricity in the U.S;
over 70% of our oil is consumed for transportation. Plug in America
wants the government and automakers to prioritize building and
marketing plug-in vehicles now.

Plug In America
Pulling away from the pump and plugging into our nationâ??s extensive
electric infrastructure would mean that Americans could immediately
make the switch to cheaper, cleaner, domestic energy sources to power
cars, trucks and SUVs. The cost of plugging in to the grid and charging
up at home is the equivalent of pennies per gallon on the average
electric bill as compared to $3.00-plus a gallon at the pump today. The
widespread use of renewable energy like solar and wind power is on the
rise across America and offers drivers the opportunity to plug-in to
fossil-fuel free energy. With a plug-in hybrid, which uses a
battery-powered electric motor for the first 30 to 50 miles, most
American commuters would rarely if ever need to fill up or even top off
with gasoline unless making a long trip. Since 50 percent of Americans
do not drive more than 20 miles per day, the electric range of a
plug-in hybrid would power nearly all of our daily driving.

A Brief History of EVs and The People Who Tried to Destroy Them
DontCrush.com started in 2004 in response to auto companiesâ?? ongoing
destruction of their electric cars after successfully eviscerating
Californiaâ??s Zero Emission Vehicle Mandate. Despite enormous
popularity including waiting lists to lease the all-electric,
zero-emission vehicles, the auto industry spent millions lobbying
Sacramento and suing in federal court to take the cars off the road and
replace them with gasoline cars as the only readily available option.
Successful grassroots interventions including demonstrations at
dealerships, car-sit vigils, and public education rallies helped save
from the crusher hundreds of Ford and Toyota electric cars.

DontCrush.comâ??s efforts have received public support from the
American Lung Association, CalCars.org, California Assembly Member Fran
Pavley, California Assembly Member Mark Leno, California Environmental
Protection Agency Secretary Alan Lloyd, California State Senator Sheila
Kuehl, Electric Auto Association, Environment Now, Global Exchange,
Greenpeace, Jumpstart Ford Coalition, Natural Resources Defense
Council, Orange County Interfaith Coalition for the Environment,
Rainforest Action Network, Set America Free, Sierra Club, City of Santa
Monica, South Coast Air Quality Management District and the Union of
Concerned Scientists.

Supporting Statements
James Woolsey, former Director of the Central Intelligence Agency and
member of Plug In America coalition and Set America Free, is a
well-known advocate of plug-in hybrid technology. â??We must encourage
the commercialization of technologies that are compatible with existing
infrastructure. What makes plug-in hybrids promising is that they are;
we donâ??t need a Manhattan Project to make this happen.â??

"Southern California Edison is proud to operate one of the nation's
largest and most successful EV fleets, â??says Ed Kjaer, Director of
Electric Transportation Department of Southern California Edison.
â??Since its inception, SCE's EV fleet has traveled almost 12 million
trouble-free miles delivering significant petroleum, emissions and
green house gas reductions as well as lower maintenance and operating
costs. Thanks to the continuing support of Toyota and as a testament to
the quality, durability and reliability of their world class EV, SCE is
committed to maintaining its almost 180 Toyota RAV4 EVs indefinitely."

â??The waiting lists and public campaigns for plug-in vehicles only
proves that the demand for these cars has always gone unfulfilled by
the automakers,â?? says Chelsea Sexton, Plug In America organizer and
former GM EV1 specialist. â??There was compelling demand a decade ago
when large EV programs started and were killed. That demand has only
increased exponentially as the nation has come to realize the
devastating consequences of depending on foreign oil.â??

â??Four years and over 30,000 miles driving electric cars has proven
to me that the best way for us individually and as a nation to use less
oil is to have the choice to use none,â?? says Marc Geller, Plug In
America organizer. â??Automakers need to offer plug- in electric
alternatives, because electricity from the American grid, or in my case
my solar PV panels, is cleaner, cheaper and domestic. We shouldn't have
to pay off oil companies or undemocratic regimes just to get to work.
Disruptions in oil supply â?? in Iraq, in Louisiana - compel us to
move quickly. We need choices. Now. Unlike the ever-more distant
panacea of hydrogen fuel cells, plug in technology works today, and the
infrastructure is ubiquitous. The automakers have already proven they
can make great plug in cars. I drive one past gas stations every
day.â??

â??Before I leased my RAV4 EV, I never knew how much Iâ??d love it.
After I had it, I had no idea how hard Iâ??d have to fight to keep
it,â?? explains Linda Nichols, Toyota RAV4 EV owner. â??Toyotaâ??s
turnaround is a courageous decision to respond to consumer demand and
revise a policy created years ago for the benefit of their customers as
well as the environment.â??

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