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On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:36:12 -0500, "MnMikew"
wrote: wrote in message oups.com... Her'e how it's done.. They clearcut everything; mile after mile after mile Up steep slopes, down into valleys, rught up to the highways.. where they leave a strip of trees.. That isnt used much these days, especially in designated forests. This probably does happen on Potlatch owned land though they dont leave a few trees to reseed, the replant millions of new trees. Softwood doesn't sink CO2 nearly as well as old hardwood. Clearcutting makes deserts. |
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On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:36:29 -0500, "MnMikew"
wrote: "David" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 15:55:18 -0500, "MnMikew" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... - Giant Sequoias have unusually thick bark, which makes them fire resistant... Resistant isn't quite the same as fireproof now is it. And do you really think they would chop down the last of the big ones? More sensationalism from the rabid eco-nazis. You are a tool. and your a fool chicken little. Do you realize the North coast of Russia is ice-free now? |
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Yes Bruce, but logging a few trees is not going to damage the forest.
True, if it is done properly. This is not alwasy the case, and even when the Forest Service apoproves a sustainable forestry plan, the lumber companies wil sometimes "cheat." The forestery practices of today are much less invasive. Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Massive clearcuts are still on the agenda in some locations. There is also the issue of replenishment of soils in mountainous areas where many of the harvest areas are located. The soils there (like the Sierra and Cascade mountains) are often thin and require the presence of decaying standing and down trees to keep that cycle going - take way the soil of the future, and the trees and habitat and lumber of the future go with it. We need wood, period. Sadly, this is true - too many people, though, and pretty soon your lumber is gone. We have been able to keep up to 300,000,000 people supplied, so far, with wood - but as that value keeps going up steadily due to immigration and the forested area keep declining, at some piont we're gonna be plumb out. It has to come from somewhere. My previous point exactly. Ask the people in California how particulary bad their fires have been as late. I live here too. I know that fires can be really bad. I also know that people who live in and near the forests live there precisely because they like living near the forest. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you live in California, you gotta be ready for fire and earthquakes, just like the folks in Louisiana have to be ready for hurricanes and Oklahomans gotta be ready for twisters. One more thing, too, is that the Sequoia groves are not really near many developed areas. Logging there for fire suppression is to preserve the adjacent unlogged areas for future harvest - no other reason. Ultimately, the Sequoia groves will be less than than what they have been, because a complete Sequoia Grove includes a full panoply of non-sequoia flora and fauna. Bruce Jensen |
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David wrote:
Do you realize the North coast of Russia is ice-free now? That must be how Saddam Hussein disposed of his nukular WMDs. And they must have been transported there by Al Qaeda. Blame it on the terrorists! |
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That youngest gal that moved in with the Bell South gal last night.She
could easily pass for about 18 or 19 years old.I want to adopt her,, I want to marry her for the weekends.I want she and I to "hug" each others "trees". cuhulin |
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Trees are mostly made of Nitrogen Gas.When Trees burn,mostly,it is the
Gas in the Trees that is burning.Without Lightning www.lightningstorm.com putting Nitrogen Gas in the Air,how many Trees would there be? cuhulin |
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Brain dead morons like you are more like Balsa wood.
cuhulin |
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"David" wrote in message ... On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:36:29 -0500, "MnMikew" wrote: "David" wrote in message .. . On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 15:55:18 -0500, "MnMikew" wrote: wrote in message roups.com... - Giant Sequoias have unusually thick bark, which makes them fire resistant... Resistant isn't quite the same as fireproof now is it. And do you really think they would chop down the last of the big ones? More sensationalism from the rabid eco-nazis. You are a tool. and your a fool chicken little. Do you realize the North coast of Russia is ice-free now? Lemmie guess, it's Bushes fault. |
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Thunder Road? Birth of NASCAR? Give good old White Lightning/Moonshine
credit for that.And,The Dukes of Hazzard too. cuhulin |
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The last Battles of the War of Northern Aggression (or what fools call
the civil war) took place North of the Artic Circle.We were sinking brit Ships.Some of the smartest Officers up North in the War of Northern Aggression were Traitors! from down South who went up North. www.patriotist.com cuhulin |
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NUKE Russia,, NUKE China,, NUKE all raghead Countries,,, NUKE,,,,,,,
(nawww,I better not say that one, it isn't Canada,,), but some of y'all get me driff. cuhulin (d.c.) |
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On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:27:31 GMT, David wrote:
On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:33:05 -0500, "MnMikew" wrote: Yes Bruce, but logging a few trees is not going to damage the forest. The forestery practices of today are much less invasive. We need wood, period. It has to come from somewhere. Ask the people in California how particulary bad their fires have been as late. The fires here are scrub brush. When we do have forest fires they are made much worse by beetle weakened pine trees which go up like an incendiary bomb. The beetles are spreading due to climate change. For many years we have been seeking federal help to remove the dead trees. It's cheaper than making people whole after a wild fire. I'm not certain how true the following is - but have heard that [unspecified] environmental organization(s) have hindered having the trees removed. I find this, as well as lack of governmental action, equally believable. |
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Metal studs for houses,, sheetrock for walls and ceilings,,, concrete
porches,,,, concrete floors,,,,,, They all call her,, Second hand Rose,,,,,,, second hand shoes,,,,, second hand clothes,,,,,, they all call her Second hand Rose,,,,,, but Rose doesn't have a second hand hearttttt,,,,,, And with that,boys and girls,, I am fixin to put on my Goodwill store $2.00 second hand shirt and head on over to the second hand Goodwill store,, y'all play nice now.I told them two gals next door at about twoish AM last night,, ya'll,go to bed,,, it's late. cuhulin |
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MnMikew wrote:
Yes Bruce, but logging a few trees is not going to damage the forest. Wanna really screw up the tree-huggers? Propose legislation that would ensure that we will return the USA to the number of trees that were here before the continent was widely populated. After the 'huggers push that through, we get to cut down several million trees to return the number of trees to what it was. -- If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination, my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin. |
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Wanna really screw up the tree-huggers? Propose legislation that would
ensure that we will return the USA to the number of trees that were here before the continent was widely populated. After the 'huggers push that through, we get to cut down several million trees to return the number of trees to what it was Thinks you. Before Europeans arrived, there was a virtually nonstop forest of billions of trees from the eastern seaboard to the Mississippi. In the west were forests where here are now parched grasslands and clearcuts by the millions of acres...including Alaska. Sure, we have some plantations where of trees grow...But old growth? A tiny fraction of what used to be. The "tree-huggers," as you put it, know this. Bruce Jensen |
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"bpnjensen" wrote in message oups.com... Wanna really screw up the tree-huggers? Propose legislation that would ensure that we will return the USA to the number of trees that were here before the continent was widely populated. After the 'huggers push that through, we get to cut down several million trees to return the number of trees to what it was Thinks you. Before Europeans arrived, there was a virtually nonstop forest of billions of trees from the eastern seaboard to the Mississippi. In the west were forests where here are now parched grasslands and clearcuts by the millions of acres...including Alaska. Sure, we have some plantations where of trees grow...But old growth? A tiny fraction of what used to be. The "tree-huggers," as you put it, know this. Perhaps these plantations will be "old growth" someday. |
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Perhaps these plantations will be "old growth" someday
It's possible, if they are allowed to grow to that age (which typically for a western temperate montane forest is about 200 years plus, if sequoia species are excluded). More likely, they'll be cut at about 40 or 50 years. This is pretty typical up and down the West Coast, in all types of forest. Even if allowed to grow, plantations are typically one or two kinds of trees, as opposed to a complex mixture. Old Growth forests usually (but not absolutely always, at least in the case of limited instances of coastal redwoods) contain a broad mixture of trees and understory. Understory plants may, however, return...if they are not weeded out by the timber companies as nutrient competition for the trees. There are forestry companies that have actually done good harvesting for many years. Before being purchased by junk bond king Charles Hurwitz, Pacific Lumber up in Humboldt County, CA, had what was usually considered a sustainable and relatively environmentally-friendly operation in the redwoods and Doug firs, people had jobs and lumber, and animals had homes. Hurwitz changed all that. Bruce Jensen |
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I just now checked Fourmilab's Earth View.There is still a lot of Ice at
the North Pole.Some of it has melted,but it is all part of the Natural Cycle of Earth.Earth does warm up between about one to two degrees sometimes,it is all Normal and Natural.Humans have Nothing to do with that at all.Every time a Volcano belches,there is more "pollution" in the Air than Humans can ever do.Get Real,,, Get a Life. cuhulin |
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"bpnjensen" wrote in message oups.com... Even if allowed to grow, plantations are typically one or two kinds of trees, as opposed to a complex mixture. Old Growth forests usually (but not absolutely always, at least in the case of limited instances of coastal redwoods) contain a broad mixture of trees and understory. Understory plants may, however, return...if they are not weeded out by the timber companies as nutrient competition for the trees. I know all about understory. I own 30 acres in Wisc. that was select cut about 8-10 years ago and is pretty overgrown, not too bad but its noticable. Theres a 70 acre parcel next to me that has never been logged and has virtually no understory to speak of. Another 40 acre parcel by me was clear cut and is overgrown with scrub making it virtually unpenetratable. The deer love it though. |
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And of course there is Cow Flatulance.Outlaw all Cows,, Outlaw McDonalds
and Burger King! cuhulin |
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I own a half acre of land in Florida.(my little piece of Florida
paradise) Nothing but some Pine Trees with Moss on them and some grass and mostly weeds on my half acre of Florida paradise. cuhulin |
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I know all about understory. I own 30 acres in Wisc. that was select cut
about 8-10 years ago and is pretty overgrown, not too bad but its noticable. Theres a 70 acre parcel next to me that has never been logged and has virtually no understory to speak of. Another 40 acre parcel by me was clear cut and is overgrown with scrub making it virtually unpenetratable. The deer love it though. Interesting! I'm not sure if this is true for you guys up there, but back in New England, forests grow up almost spontaneously. If you leave a field unmowed and uncultivated, it will spring back to an early successional forest within a few years, and be pretty thick after about 15 or 20. Larger trees like the big hardwoods (rock maple, oaks, cherries, beech, elms, nut trees) take longer, as do the yellow pines...but the alders, willows, pussy willows and dry species go bananas fast. Poplar species do well too. In 50 years, though, the richness has returned, if not the absolute size of the trees. The reason, in large part, is that New England gets plenty of rain during the summer growth season. No such luck here in CA; although some species grow really fast, getting them established is a very hands-on proposition. Bruce Jensen |
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I get snail mail letters and snail mail cards all the time from people
all over U.S.A.wanting to buy my little half acre of Florida paradise.NO SALE!!! I have an Official Will and when I croak,my next oldest sister gets everything I own.Don't give me your crap about death taxes and S... I know all about it. cuhulin |
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On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 23:12:44 -0400, dxAce
wrote: wrote: On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 14:09:31 -0400, dxAce wrote: David "I don't know a damn thing about shortwave" Rickets wrote: On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 13:47:22 -0400, dxAce wrote: Yep, at least three more years without some brain stem liberal in the Presidency... You prefer a Nationalist Socialist? Why? Did I mention anything at all about a National Socialist, brain stem? Jeez, some parrot taught dzArse a new insult -- now he has four to use in each posting. Please try to pay attention, at least once in your life. I know it's difficult, but with some medication and some therapy, things might actually work out for you. Why? It did nothing for you, brainless stem. 'Brainless stem' is an oxymoron, 'tard. Not when the brain has withered off the stem, as has yours. You'll have to do better than that to beat the 'ol dxAce in most any endeavour. Easily done, with one brain tied behind my back. dxAce Michigan USA |
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On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 12:11:17 -0400, dxAce
wrote: wrote: wrote: Jeez, some parrot taught dzArse a new insult -- now he has four to use in each posting. He may be developing some personal hygiene. That one kind of flopped for you, ****stain. So he agrees he's not developing any personal hygiene. Henc the obsession with ****stains. Try again. dxAce Michigan USA http://www.iserv.net/~n8kdv/dxpage.htm |
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On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 23:53:52 -0500, wrote:
There is a Bristlecone Tree in California that they say is over three million years old. cuhulin Over three thousand. |
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MnMikew wrote:
Yes Bruce, but logging a few trees is not going to damage the forest. Well, you are right. Logging a "few" trees won't damage the forest. However, what logging company is going to set up an operation for only a "few" trees? Let's try and be a little more realistic here... A hundred years ago, before your "eco-nazi" laws, they would clear cut (can you say "decimate"? Sure you can!) entire forests without batting an eye. |
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MnMikew wrote:
This probably does happen on Potlatch owned land though they dont leave a few trees to reseed, the replant millions of new trees. ....and do you think they would re-plant "millions of trees" if they weren't forced to by the "eco-nazi" laws you love to hate? |
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You don't know the First thing about "General Sherman" in the War Of
Northern Aggression.You go to the rear of the class and take a seat. cuhulin |
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dxAce is doing very well,,, in my opinion.
cuhulin |
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www.devilfinder.com Mississippi Logging Industry
We have more Forest here in Mississippi than any other State in U.S.A. www.devilfinder.com Mississippi Trivia y'all ever hear of any wildfires here in Mississippi before? Of Course NOT!,, We know how to manage our Mississippi Forest areas.(now,watch them gay queer freaks tree huggers go crazy) My old buddy's Uncle was a Train driver on the Fernwood,Gulf Logging Railroad wayyyyyyy down South (South is always best) in South Mississippi many,many years ago. cuhulin (Paladinnnnn,,,,,, Paladinnnn,,,,,, where do you roammmmm,,,,,,,) |
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y'all ever hear of any wildfires here in Mississippi before? Of Course
NOT!,, We know how to manage our Mississippi Forest areas.(now,watch them gay queer freaks tree huggers go crazy) Wildfires are quite a bit less common in areas where relative humidity is fairly high, like in Mississippi. New England also has very few. Here in the arid west, grassfires and forest fires seem to almost pop up spontaneously (they don't of course, but a single spark here can ignite a conflagration that will be very hard to quell. The air is too dry.). Bruce Jensen |
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Carter-K8VT wrote:
Well, you are right. Logging a "few" trees won't damage the forest. However, what logging company is going to set up an operation for only a "few" trees? Let's try and be a little more realistic here... Forests, left to their own devices, end up with trees far too close together for good root growth and effective nutrient absorption. Lots die. The dead ones end up fueling forest fires that take all the trees. Most logging companies today would take trees in such a way as to let the remaining trees have room to grow, so they can come back in a dozen years and harvest again. -- If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination, my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin. |
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Carter-K8VT wrote:
...and do you think they would re-plant "millions of trees" if they weren't forced to by the "eco-nazi" laws you love to hate? Yes. Unlike you, they think a few years ahead and realize that planting trees now makes trees to harvest years from now. -- If John McCain gets the 2008 Republican Presidential nomination, my vote for President will be a write-in for Jiang Zemin. |
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On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 11:49:24 -0500, clifto wrote:
Carter-K8VT wrote: Well, you are right. Logging a "few" trees won't damage the forest. However, what logging company is going to set up an operation for only a "few" trees? Let's try and be a little more realistic here... Forests, left to their own devices, end up with trees far too close together for good root growth and effective nutrient absorption. Lots die. The dead ones end up fueling forest fires that take all the trees. Most logging companies today would take trees in such a way as to let the remaining trees have room to grow, so they can come back in a dozen years and harvest again. That's the craziest thing I've read in a long time. |
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