Dear Sierra Club Supporter -

We want first to thank you for taking the time to sign our petition to
help protect the Giant Sequoias earlier this year. Thousands of you
signed the petition urging President Bush to put an immediate end to
U.S. Forest Service plans for commercial logging in the Giant Sequoia
National Monument.

Because you took the time to voice your concerns on this issue, we
want to update you on some great news regarding the status of the
Giant Sequoia Monument.

Earlier this month, a federal judge shut down a 2,000-acre commercial
logging project in Giant Sequoia National Monument because the federal
government relied on outdated science to justify a controversial
timber sale. The timber industry and U.S. Forest Service had argued
that the logging was urgently needed for fire prevention, but the
environmental groups showed that this was false and charged that the
Forest Service had not taken a hard look at the likely harm to the
monument and its wildlife that the extensive logging would cause.

This decision helps ensure that the Giant Sequoia Monument will be
protected and can continue to inspire visitors for generations to
come, and we thank you again for taking the time to voice your
opinion.

For more information on this latest development, please visit the
Environmental Law Program section of our website.

Sincerely,

Pat Gallagher
Environmental Law Program Director
Sierra Club

David wrote:
Dear Sierra Club Supporter -

We want first to thank you for taking the time to sign our petition to
help protect the Giant Sequoias earlier this year. Thousands of you
signed the petition urging President Bush to put an immediate end to
U.S. Forest Service plans for commercial logging in the Giant Sequoia
National Monument.

Because you took the time to voice your concerns on this issue, we
want to update you on some great news regarding the status of the
Giant Sequoia Monument.

Earlier this month, a federal judge shut down a 2,000-acre commercial
logging project in Giant Sequoia National Monument because the federal
government relied on outdated science to justify a controversial
timber sale. The timber industry and U.S. Forest Service had argued
that the logging was urgently needed for fire prevention, but the
environmental groups showed that this was false and charged that the
Forest Service had not taken a hard look at the likely harm to the
monument and its wildlife that the extensive logging would cause.

This decision helps ensure that the Giant Sequoia Monument will be
protected and can continue to inspire visitors for generations to
come, and we thank you again for taking the time to voice your
opinion.

For more information on this latest development, please visit the
Environmental Law Program section of our website.

Sincerely,

Pat Gallagher
Environmental Law Program Director
Sierra Club

- Shoulda cut em down, sell the wood to China
To make tooth picks, lawn furniture & wood chips

Put up a Strip mall with a 99 cent store & A Chinese Restaurant

- Build Prisons on the remaining land

"David" wrote in message
...
Dear Sierra Club Supporter -

We want first to thank you for taking the time to sign our petition to
help protect the Giant Sequoias earlier this year. Thousands of you
signed the petition urging President Bush to put an immediate end to
U.S. Forest Service plans for commercial logging in the Giant Sequoia
National Monument.

And of course it will be Bushes fault when they burn down now won't it?

MnMikew wrote:
"David" wrote in message
...
Dear Sierra Club Supporter -

We want first to thank you for taking the time to sign our petition to
help protect the Giant Sequoias earlier this year. Thousands of you
signed the petition urging President Bush to put an immediate end to
U.S. Forest Service plans for commercial logging in the Giant Sequoia
National Monument.


And of course it will be Bushes fault when they burn down now won't it?

- Giant Sequoias have unusually thick bark,
which makes them fire resistant...


http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/expe...uoia.html?acts

Three More years . . .

wrote:

MnMikew wrote:
"David" wrote in message
...
Dear Sierra Club Supporter -

We want first to thank you for taking the time to sign our petition to
help protect the Giant Sequoias earlier this year. Thousands of you
signed the petition urging President Bush to put an immediate end to
U.S. Forest Service plans for commercial logging in the Giant Sequoia
National Monument.


And of course it will be Bushes fault when they burn down now won't it?

- Giant Sequoias have unusually thick bark,
which makes them fire resistant...

http://www.amnh.org/exhibitions/expe...uoia.html?acts

Three More years . . .

Yep, at least three more years without some brain stem liberal in the Presidency...

dxAce
Michigan
USA

On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 13:47:22 -0400, dxAce
wrote:




Yep, at least three more years without some brain stem liberal in the Presidency...

You prefer a Nationalist Socialist? Why?

David "I don't know a damn thing about shortwave" Rickets wrote:

On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 13:47:22 -0400, dxAce
wrote:




Yep, at least three more years without some brain stem liberal in the Presidency...

You prefer a Nationalist Socialist? Why?

Did I mention anything at all about a National Socialist, brain stem?

Please try to pay attention, at least once in your life. I know it's difficult, but with
some medication and some therapy, things might actually work out for you.

dxAce
Michigan
USA

In fact, giant sequoias need fairly frequent fires (at least a few a
century, if not more often) to propagate their progeny. Without the
heat of a fire, the scales of their cones will not open to release the
seeds, and the mineral soil and open forest they require to germinate
will not be available.

Sequoia trees are not only generally unharmed by fire due to their
thick and only lightly flammable bark, their existence depends upon the
heat of the flames. Intense fuel reduction in their groves is
tantamount to forced local extinction.

Similar cases are true for other kinds of trees; Sequoiadendron
Giganteum is just the most dramatic example.

The Giant Sequoia National Monument, which is an entirely different
entity from Sequoia National Park, is also run in a different way.
Unlike the park, which is run by NPS/Dept. of the Interior, whose
mission and goal is to protect the resource unimpaired, it is run by
the Forest Service, which has traditionally been a multiple-use and
harvesting agency (except in wilderness areas, where preservation
policies are generally stronger). The monument, which preserves most
of the remaining sequoia groves not in the parks, also contains a good
deal of intermixed and buffer forest, normally the Forest Service's
bread and butter when it comes to harvest. I do not envy the Forest
Service's resource specialists in this monument - they have a tougher
time in many ways than the Park Service, who merely has to protect, or
the regular national forests, where preservation is rarely practiced
ona large scale and rapacious harvest can often be done with impunity.
In the Monument, resource specialists have the balancing act of their
lives when they must protect the Sequoia groves *and* provide for some
level of harvest. These two conflicting goals give them an
overwhelming management obstacle, both politically and in terms of the
resource itself.

When walking through some of the the groves in the Monument, it gives
an odd feeling to walk among standing sequoia trees with little in
between but low shrubs and grasses, compared to what one finds in the
fully protected groves such as Giant Forest or Grant Grove or Redwood
Mountain Grove. One wonders how much the longevity of the sequoia is
owed to the presence of a forest around it to protect from the
battering of strong winds in Sierra storms or the direct baking summer
sun upon its entire root system. Time will tell, I suppose. One of
the oddest groves is Converse Basin, where the Boole Tree, a very large
old sequoia named for the foreman of the lumber company, stands alone
among a few 100-year old trees and bushes. It is about the most
incongruous sight I have seen, only matched by a few similar spots in
the Pacific Northwest where single old giant redcedars have been
preserved in the midst of what looks like a war zone.

Other recently-established national monuments, including Mt. St. Helens
National Volcanic in WA and Grand Staircase-Escalante in UT, have been
modelled on similar frameworks, although St. Helens gets a stronger
preservation component than some. If you have never been to these
three National Monuments, I urge you to go - they are spectacular,
fascinating and have enormous rewards to offer.

Bruce Jensen

wrote in message
oups.com...
- Giant Sequoias have unusually thick bark,
which makes them fire resistant...

Resistant isn't quite the same as fireproof now is it. And do you really
think they would chop down the last of the big ones? More sensationalism
from the rabid eco-nazis.

Resistant isn't quite the same as fireproof now is it. And do you really
think they would chop down the last of the big ones? More
sensationalism
from the rabid eco-nazis.

Mike - Sequoia trees really do withstand fires beautifully - it takes a
particularly bad fire to kill one, and most lightning-caused forest
fires that naturally sweep through a grove every 10 to 50 years does
not reach an intensity to do much more than superficially scorch the
big trees. And, as I've already explained, their reproduction cannot
occur without it.

No, they will not chop down any large trees (which is defined, IIRC, as
trees greater than about 60" diameter at breast height) - they are all
protected under the Monument designation. It is the trees between the
big ones that would be taken, mostly firs and sugar pines.

Problem is, a sequoia forest is more than sequoia trees - it is an
elaborate fabric of living things, many of which depend upon each other
for support, biologically, chemically and physically. Just like you
require oxygen to breathe, food with various nutrients to grow and
survive, and mechanical support structures to clothe and house you, so
do the things in the forest require similar and analogous features.
You can argue and name-call if you like, but no living thing survives
without the input and support of dozens, hundreds, thousands of others
both far and near. Sequoia trees may seem so big and sturdy and
durable that they could survive on their own (they certainly can
withstand most fires) - and sometimes, people feel the same about
themselves - but at some point, pulling enough bricks out of the house
will make it fall.

This isn't eco-nazi stuff - it happens every year in places around the
world.

Bruce Jensen